[EDH]Thrun, the last troll

[blueballs]

this is my last list I come up with. This is a voltron deck with thrun as the general. the list I made is not optimal, I made the dack only with the cards I had and some i bought. all the cards i need are in the bottom of the post.

If you have any suggestion to make the deck more effective, don't hesitate.

Deck

general: 1 thrun, the last troll Creature[21]: 1 acidic slime 1 Ant queen 1 bellowing tanglewurm 1 cloudthresher 1 elvish visionnary 1 eternal witness 1 genesis 1 indrik stomphowler 1 krosan tusker 1 mold shambler 1 oracle of mul daya 1 regal force 1 sakura-tribe elder 1 seedborn muse 1 solemn simulacrum 1 steel hellkite 1 terastodon 1 viridian shaman 1 wall of blossoms 1 wickerbough elder 1 yavimaya elder planeswalker[1]: 1 garruk wildspeaker artefact[12]: 1 argentum armor 1 darksteel plate 1 dreamstone hedron 1 gauntlet of power 1 loxodon warhammer 1 mind's eye 1 nim deathmantle 1 o-naginata 1 skullclamp 1 strata scythe 1 sword of vengeance 1 thran dynamo

enchantement[9]: 1 bear umbra 1 blanchwood armor 1 eldrazi conscription 1 ferocity 1 lignify 1 mythic proportions 1 predatory hunger 1 tiger claws 1 rancor sorcery[16]: 1 cultivate 1 explore 1 explosive vegetation 1 gaea's blessing 1 genesis wave 1 harmonize 1 kodama's reach 1 mwonvuli acid-moss 1 nature's lore 1 plow under 1 primal command 1 rampant growth 1 regrowth 1 restock 1 skyshroud claim 1 tooth and nails instant[4]: 1 krosan grip 1 might of oaks 1 naturalize 1 summoner's pact land[36]: 1 mystifying maze 1 tectonic edge 34 forest

the cards i need the most

riding the dilu horse
rofellos, llanowar emissary
sword of fire and ice
sword of light and shadow
gaea's cradle
mirri's guile
sensei's divining top
worldly tutor
green's sun zenith
avenger of zendikar

[Wildfire393]

The big thing that looks like it could use tuning here is your mana base.

I'd suggest adding in a bunch of fetchlands. The Zendikar ones (Verdant Catacomb, Misty Rainforest), the onslaught ones (Windswept Heath, Wooded Foothills), the mirage ones (Grasslands, Mountain Valley), terramorphic expanse, evolving wilds, maybe even the 3 green Panoramas. Then throw in Life From the Loam and Crucible of Worlds and you've got yourself a nice fetch engine, which will generate card advantage and thin your deck. Strip Mine and Wasteland fit nicely into this strategy as well. Other good lands to consider: Gaea's Cradle (you mention this already), Deserted Temple, Maze of Ith, Treetop Village, Oran-Rief, the Vastwood.

Alternately, or additionally, as you are running a monocolored deck with a huge number of basic lands, you could consider adding Scrying Sheets, turning all your basics into Snow-Covered Forests, and adding Mouth of Ronom.

You may also want some removal in here, as you don't really have a way to deal with problematic creatures:
Duplicant, Nevinyrral's Disk, Oblivion Stone, Steel Hellkite, All Is Dust

Tooth and Nail and Praetor's Counsel are other big spells you might consider adding.

Weak things to cut might include O-Naginata, Ferocity, Predatory Hunger, Nature's Spiral, Harrow, Naturalize, Nature's Claim.

[Shunma]

I too am working on this beast. Two things come to mind: primeval titan and woodfall primus. Very important cards to add to your "get list.". Other than that I'd say you've got the right idea. Definitely get the swords and stuff ASAP.

Some extra artifact mana wouldn't be bad either. Sol ring, gilded lotus, gauntlet of power, extraplanar lense, and so on. Mana reflection is cool but not 100% required for voltron style decks.

Edit: it's tempting to do a troll tribal subtheme. The deck of choice for /b/tards. 0.o

[blueballs]

Originally Posted by Wildfire393

The big thing that looks like it could use tuning here is your mana base.

I'd suggest adding in a bunch of fetchlands. The Zendikar ones (Verdant Catacomb, Misty Rainforest), the onslaught ones (Windswept Heath, Wooded Foothills), the mirage ones (Grasslands, Mountain Valley), terramorphic expanse, evolving wilds, maybe even the 3 green Panoramas. Then throw in Life From the Loam and Crucible of Worlds and you've got yourself a nice fetch engine, which will generate card advantage and thin your deck. Strip Mine and Wasteland fit nicely into this strategy as well. Other good lands to consider: Gaea's Cradle (you mention this already), Deserted Temple, Maze of Ith, Treetop Village, Oran-Rief, the Vastwood.

Alternately, or additionally, as you are running a monocolored deck with a huge number of basic lands, you could consider adding Scrying Sheets, turning all your basics into Snow-Covered Forests, and adding Mouth of Ronom.

You may also want some removal in here, as you don't really have a way to deal with problematic creatures:
Duplicant, Nevinyrral's Disk, Oblivion Stone, Steel Hellkite, All Is Dust

Tooth and Nail and Praetor's Counsel are other big spells you might consider adding.

Weak things to cut might include O-Naginata, Ferocity, Predatory Hunger, Nature's Spiral, Harrow, Naturalize, Nature's Claim.

thanks for the advice, i know that my mana base is very weak but now i'm on a budget, so i can afford all the fetchlands and other lands card that are really expensive. for the board wipes departement i have steel hellkite and i want to add oblivion stone for sure and Nevinyrral's Disk

for the cards i need to cut i'm not sure for ferocity because some of the people i play with it play some infinite creature combo like thopter foundry + sword of the meek+ ashnod's altar. So even if he block me and i have trample i do my general damage to him so i can kill him. it's why i run so much spell that give trample.

i thought for the snow lands and i'm not sur to add it to the deck.

Two things come to mind: primeval titan and woodfall primus. Very important cards to add to your "get list.". Other than that I'd say you've got the right idea. Definitely get the swords and stuff ASAP.

primeval titan would be awesome in this deck, I know but right now i'm tight on budget and for woodfall primus, I want to add it for sure because it's a great creature.

I want your opinion on my creature base. I'm not sure what to include in it. I put some good cards and some little combo like ant queen + skullclamp, i can draw two cards for three mana.

Someone know good ramp spell that i didn't put in the deck.

[Shunma]

Originally Posted by blueballs

primeval titan would be awesome in this deck, I know but right now i'm tight on budget and for woodfall primus, I want to add it for sure because it's a great creature.

I want your opinion on my creature base. I'm not sure what to include in it. I put some good cards and some little combo like ant queen + skullclamp, i can draw two cards for three mana.

Someone know good ramp spell that i didn't put in the deck.

Just get Tooth and Nail and Primeval Titan in addition to Avenger of Zendikar. It's a cute combo that gives a hoard of 4/5 plants for 9 mana (assuming you have fetchlands to grab with the Titan). I think you already have the other green bombs like Terastodon and Regal Force. If it's big and has a "comes into play" effect, try it out.

As for ramp spells, you might try Explosive Vegetation and Hunting Wilds.

Edit: just remember that this stuff is support and backup--don't forget to focus on your general to deliver 21. Lightning Greaves for haste and Whispersilk Cloak for unblockable would be good replacements for weaker equipments.

[Wildfire393]

Good ramp spells you may not be running:

Yavimaya Dryad, Wood Elves, Farhaven Elf - bodies with decent search ETB effects.
Nature's Lore - Rampant growth for any forest (can find duals/Sapseep Forest/Dryad Arbor), comes into play untapped
Explosive Vegetation, Hunting Wilds - more Skyshroud Claims.
Gaea's Touch is an Exploration that also stores 2 mana for explosive turns. Turn 2 Gaea's touch, second land, turn 3, 2 lands, sac Touch, you have 7 mana available.

[blueballs]

Originally Posted by Shunma

Just get Tooth and Nail and Primeval Titan in addition to Avenger of Zendikar. It's a cute combo that gives a hoard of 4/5 plants for 9 mana (assuming you have fetchlands to grab with the Titan). I think you already have the other green bombs like Terastodon and Regal Force. If it's big and has a "comes into play" effect, try it out.

As for ramp spells, you might try Explosive Vegetation and Hunting Wilds.

Edit: just remember that this stuff is support and backup--don't forget to focus on your general to deliver 21. Lightning Greaves for haste and Whispersilk Cloak for unblockable would be good replacements for weaker equipments.

I realy don't like whispersilk cloak because thrun already have trollshroud and it's one of his strenght. i know that unblockable is realy good but the drawback of the shroud is less cool.

for the combo it's pretty cool but it's need a lot of money so maybe in some other time. but i think i'll try to get tooth and nails because it's really too good in this deck.

Yavimaya Dryad, Wood Elves, Farhaven Elf - bodies with decent search ETB effects.
Nature's Lore - Rampant growth for any forest (can find duals/Sapseep Forest/Dryad Arbor), comes into play untapped
Explosive Vegetation, Hunting Wilds - more Skyshroud Claims.
Gaea's Touch is an Exploration that also stores 2 mana for explosive turns. Turn 2 Gaea's touch, second land, turn 3, 2 lands, sac Touch, you have 7 mana available.

thanks i'll add nature's lore and explosive vegetation for the ramp spell.

[Shunma]

Here's my list as it stands now for you to compare. It shares a lot of the same cards you have and plan to get. Voltron is the "A Plan" and making lots of mana for super bombs is "B Plan." Some stuff that isn't in here that I would consider trying out: Akroma's Memorial, Worldslayer, Life from the Loam, Survival of the Fittest, Green Sun's Zenith, and Natural Order. I also have a Blightsteel Colossus that I'm tempted to try out, but I think there's enough power as it is, and Ulamog is probably better.

Deck

General (1) 1 Thrun, the Last Troll Creature (21) 1 Acidic Slime 1 Yavimaya Elder 1 Vigor 1 Chameleon Colossus 1 Indrik Stomphowler 1 Seedguide Ash 1 Primeval Titan 1 Avenger of Zendikar 1 Woodfall Primus 1 Ant Queen 1 Eternal Witness 1 Solemn Simulacrum 1 Duplicant 1 Wurmcoil Engine 1 Genesis 1 Terastodon 1 Regal Force 1 Seedborn Muse 1 Ulamog, the Infinite Gyre 1 Wickerbough Elder 1 Steel Hellkite Instant (1) 1 Worldy Tutor Sorcery (12) 1 Tooth and Nail 1 Primal Command 1 Beacon of Creation 1 Explosive Vegetation 1 Harmonize 1 Hunting Wilds 1 Skyshroud Claim 1 Cultivate 1 Kodama's Reach 1 Regrowth 1 Genesis Wave 1 Gaea's Blessing Enchantment (7) 1 Bear Umbra 1 Mythic Proportions 1 Rancor 1 Mana Reflection 1 Blanchwood Armor 1 Eldrazi Conscription 1 Sylvan Library

Artifact (20) 1 Sword of Fire and Ice 1 Sword of Light and Shadow 1 Sword of Feast and Famine 1 Umezawa's Jitte 1 Loxodon Warhammer 1 Brittle Effigy 1 Oblivion Stone 1 Nevinyrral's Disk 1 Mind's Eye 1 Extraplanar Lense 1 Gauntlet of Power 1 Skullclamp 1 Sensei's Divining Top 1 Sol Ring 1 Gilded Lotus 1 Mana Crypt 1 Crucible of Worlds 1 Everflowing Chalice 1 Vedalken Orrery 1 Lightning Greaves Planeswalker (1) 1 Garruk Wildspeaker Land (37) 1 Mystifying Maze 1 Maze of Ith 1 Gaea's Cradle 1 Evolving Wilds 1 Terramorphic Expanse 1 Treetop Village 1 Wasteland 1 Stripmine 1 Tectonic Edge 1 Misty Rainforest 1 Verdant Catacombs 1 Wooded Foothills 1 Windswept Heath 24 Forest

[That1guy34]

Have you guys thought about greater good or harmonize?

[blueballs]

thats an awesome list you made but i don,t like the new sword because it's pro one of your color so if you want to enchant something on it you're ☺☺☺☺ed. I forgot about umezawa's jitte and i have three that are doing nothng so maybe i'll add it.

both our list run harmonize and i really don't like greater good because too much time it's sit there doing nothing.

[That1guy34]

That maybe true, but Greater Good it makes up for it when you sac a big fattie and net somethng like six cards.

[blueballs]

yeah i know but I test it and i realy don,t like this cards i prefer to put more ramp or greater creature. thanks for the advice but the next cards i want to try is fecondity.

[That1guy34]

My version is going to be different. Have you tired Khalni Hydra or Kozilek, Butcher of Truth? Hydra is big fattie for 1 green in theory. Kozilek is a Fattie and draws you cards. Since mono green lacks card draw is fills a little void.

[blueballs]

i forgot about khalni hydra,but kozilek is really great. but right now i didn't have the time to playtest it.

[Garruk1]

This deck is looking more like it's for 1v1 play. Is that correct? In multi player you don't use things like plow under