Zealot il-Vec and Defiant Falcon wear equipment really well, plus they can get through for damage with Mirror Entity. Defiant Vanguard is pretty good on defense. Falcon and Vanguard are also good insurance in case Sivvi gets tucked.
I'd remove Seal of Cleansing, Crucible of Worlds (Not enough targets), and possibly the Argivian Find, Mine Excavation, and Everflowing Chalice.
Poison I think is a must for all Lin decks. You already abuse Mirror Entity. Why not abuse it more? Zealot with Grafted Exoskeleton or just an active Inkmoth Nexus are just busted when pumped with it.
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"Those who are skilled in combat do not become angered,
those who are skilled at winning do not become afraid.
Thus the wise win before the fight, while the ignorant fight to win."
Poison I think is a must for all Lin decks. You already abuse Mirror Entity. Why not abuse it more? Zealot with Grafted Exoskeleton or just an active Inkmoth Nexus are just busted when pumped with it.
poison is unnecessary in most edh decks ( I LOVE YOU SKITTLES).
what about feldikar sovereign?
But I believe it should be in mono-white mainly because the color is so slow. With almost zero ramp (Kor Cartographer sucks!) you need something like poison to give you a respectable clock against combo.
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"Those who are skilled in combat do not become angered,
those who are skilled at winning do not become afraid.
Thus the wise win before the fight, while the ignorant fight to win."
Zealot il-Vec and Defiant Falcon wear equipment really well, plus they can get through for damage with Mirror Entity. Defiant Vanguard is pretty good on defense. Falcon and Vanguard are also good insurance in case Sivvi gets tucked.
I'd remove Seal of Cleansing, Crucible of Worlds (Not enough targets), and possibly the Argivian Find, Mine Excavation, and Everflowing Chalice.
I can see crucible being cut, seal being cut, and possibly chalice. Argivian and mine are WAY to good in a color with little recursion.
Will definently add in Hero, already have vanguard.
Not sure about Zealot or Falcon.
Don't like decree because all it does is make guys. Martial Coup already fills this role better, wrathing and making dudes.
Don't like endless because I play in a competitive environment its just going to die and make me lose lands.
Not a huge fan of the titan, ya he's good but he really only gets a handful of things I need to get back, back. Plus he's a huge target like any other titan in this format.
Elspeth is kind of meh in edh, shes gonna make a guy or pump a guy then get shot in the face.
I am considering rings but I am unsure.
Changes I am thinking about:
- Chalice, Seal, and Crucible.
+ Falcon, Rings, and Hero.
But I believe it should be in mono-white mainly because the color is so slow. With almost zero ramp (Kor Cartographer sucks!) you need something like poison to give you a respectable clock against combo.
and a couple more cards i may of missed. your right in the regard of white having little ramp, but throwing in poison is not the answer. and there are tons of ramping in artifacts.
But I believe it should be in mono-white mainly because the color is so slow. With almost zero ramp (Kor Cartographer sucks!) you need something like poison to give you a respectable clock against combo.
Kor Cartographer doesn't suck. Also, Sivvi is an aggro-combo deck when it needs to be so it's not really that slow.
I can see crucible being cut, seal being cut, and possibly chalice. Argivian and mine are WAY to good in a color with little recursion.
Will definently add in Hero, already have vanguard.
Not sure about Zealot or Falcon.
Don't like decree because all it does is make guys. Martial Coup already fills this role better, wrathing and making dudes.
Don't like endless because I play in a competitive environment its just going to die and make me lose lands.
Not a huge fan of the titan, ya he's good but he really only gets a handful of things I need to get back, back. Plus he's a huge target like any other titan in this format.
Elspeth is kind of meh in edh, shes gonna make a guy or pump a guy then get shot in the face.
I am considering rings but I am unsure.
Changes I am thinking about:
- Chalice, Seal, and Crucible.
+ Falcon, Rings, and Hero.
I love Argivian Find but every time I try fitting it and Excavation it ends up being dead half the time. I don't know, maybe you have better luck with it.
Zealot and Falcon are good for the aggro route. It's not a necessity but I like the option in case the combo falls through.
Skullclamp is arguably the second best draw engine in mono-white, behind Land Tax. The more you abuse it, the better. Granted, Decree isn't great without Clamp, but at worst it still cycles.
Endless Horizons is just better than Journeyor's Kite, IMO. If you play in a competitive environment, I don't really think people will target it because it's not really worth targetting. Unless you remove ALL your plains (Which isn't a smart decision unless you're trying to combo it with Goblin Charbelcher), there are just much better targets. Even getting about five or so plains gives you a huge advantage in CA.
To clarify, Changelings are all types at ALL times, which includes every zone, inluding hand, graveyard, and library. There is absolutely no problem searching them up, since they are rebels (Mirror Entity and Changling Hero work just fine here).
However, all of the rebels puts them directly on the battlefield, which would cause major rules problems if you try putting an instant onto the battlefield. Thus, they have been errataed to only search out permanents. Sliver Overlord hasn't been errataed because it puts the card into your hand, so there's no rule issues there.
No, you can't. All the rebel searching cards were errataed to only get back Rebel permanent cards.
The only thing Sivvi would be good for there is putting it back into your library after use. It's not forgotten, it's just not usually worth it.
So stupid, i never noticed the erratas.
502.73a Changeling is a characteristic-defining ability. “Changeling” means “This object is every creature type.” This ability works everywhere, even outside the game. See rule 405.2.
Anymore ideas for the deck? I ended up adding Horizons because it is valuable CA/ramp.
I'm still torn between running the zealot and the falcon, I don't know if the evasion is really necessary. Also if this is the case why don't I also run the 2 glider's?
Question about rings of brighthearth, If i pay 3 for lin's ability, Does it only cost 2 to copy the activation or do i have to pay for it(her ability) again?
Anymore ideas for the deck? I ended up adding Horizons because it is valuable CA/ramp.
I'm still torn between running the zealot and the falcon, I don't know if the evasion is really necessary. Also if this is the case why don't I also run the 2 glider's?
Question about rings of brighthearth, If i pay 3 for lin's ability, Does it only cost 2 to copy the activation or do i have to pay for it(her ability) again?
Zealot + Quietus Spike is pretty amazing. Falcon is cool because it can search up Lin Sivvi if she gets tucked. Gliders aren't worth it, especially in comparison to the Bringers.
You pay for Lin Sivvi's ability, then two more on top of it for Rings. If you search with X=3, cost will be 3+2=5 for two searches.
Luminarch is okay depending on the meta. If there is a lack of enchantment removal it can end games quickly.
Idk I'm not sold on equipment in multiplayer unless its greaves... Sell it to me? Thinking about cutting the bringers also since they are not really needed. I really value your input Tel, since you use to run the deck.
Is Zealot worth running without equipment?
If I did run equipment I would like to do:
3-4x Equipment(besides what I have now obviously I am assuming Jitte, Spike, and 1-2 other things) Don't want to run the swords, most of there abilities don't seem important enough. Plus I don't want to drop 40$ on 2 cards.
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Equipment is worth it, imo. Greaves is obvious, Clamp is also obvious, Pariah's Shield is a combo piece, and with the equipment tutors it's not hard to fit in Spike, and possibly Jitte. I agree, the Swords aren't really needed here.
Weakest cards are probably Seal of Cleansing and Planar Portal.
I'm really not that experienced with Lin Sivvi, I played it for a bit but got bored of it after a while. I suggest checking out Urdjur's list if you want more suggestions, found here, it's pretty refined, albeit a bit outdated now.
Idk I'm not sold on equipment in multiplayer unless its greaves... Sell it to me?
I'll play Devil's advocate to Telekinesis here and suggest that Zealot and equipment aren't worth it. I've been playing Lin Sivvi for about 6 months now and I ended up cutting the zealot and equipment package after about a month of playing it. It was too many spots for too small an effect in My opinion. The only equipment left in My build is Skullclamp, Lightning Greaves and Pariah's Shield and I've never looked back.
With the spots I freed up doing this I focused My build more around the infinite life combo and using Felidar Soveriegn or Test of Endurance as the primary win conditions. Storm Herd works well at ending games as well. Theres something quite amusing about swinging withe one hundred billion ponies.
I'll play Devil's advocate to Telekinesis here and suggest that Zealot and equipment aren't worth it. I've been playing Lin Sivvi for about 6 months now and I ended up cutting the zealot and equipment package after about a month of playing it. It was too many spots for too small an effect in My opinion. The only equipment left in My build is Skullclamp, Lightning Greaves and Pariah's Shield and I've never looked back.
With the spots I freed up doing this I focused My build more around the infinite life combo and using Felidar Soveriegn or Test of Endurance as the primary win conditions. Storm Herd works well at ending games as well. Theres something quite amusing about swinging withe one hundred billion ponies.
Personally I never liked Storm Herd, it gives everyone a full turn to answer and it's about the juiciest Insurrection/Reins of Power/Twist Allegiance target as you can get. I've seen so many times people lose after they play the Herd because of this.
As far as the deck is concerned, I think it's amazing. I run Lin Sivvi at my LGS and I've had a lot of success with a few other cards. If you're playing Endless Horizons, you might as well play goblin charbelcher . Flickerform seems out of place here, I'm not sure what it's doing. I'd probably switch out Gilded Lotus for Thran Dynamo. You're not really hurting for W. I also think that Sun Titan is essential. I could see a lot of reasoning for putting in Sword of Feast and Famine. It leaves you with untapped mana for Sivvi tricks. It wouldn't hurt to pull some weaker cards like Mine Excavation for another strong play like Sword of Fire and Ice or Umezawa's Jitte.
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1 Lin Sivvi, Defiant Hero
Land: 38
1 Ancient Tomb
1 Dust Bowl
1 Emeria, the Sky Ruin
1 Hall of the Bandit Lord
1 Kor Haven
1 Miren, the Moaning Well
1 Mistveil Plains
1 Scrying Sheets
1 Secluded Steppe
1 Strip Mine
1 Tectonic Edge
27 Snow-Covered Plains
Rebels: 8
1 Changeling Hero
1 Children of Korlis
1 Cho-Manno, Revolutionary
1 Defiant Vanguard
1 Mirror Entity
1 Outrider En-Kor
1 Task Force
1 Whipcorder
Posers: 14
1 Academy Rector
1 Duplicant
1 Eternal Dragon
1 Felidar Sovereign
1 Karmic Guide
1 Reveillark
1 Serra Ascendant
1 Solemn Simulacrum
1 Sun Titan
1 Stonecloaker
1 Stoneforge Mystic
1 Stonehewer Giant
1 Stuffy Doll
1 Weathered Wayfarer
1 Animal Boneyard
1 Aura of Silence
1 Bound in Silence
1 Endless Horizons
1 Faith's Fetters
1 Guilty Conscience
1 Land Tax
1 Pariah
1 Prison Term
1 Test of Endurance
Sorceries: 7
1 Austere Command
1 Day of Judgment
1 Hallowed Burial
1 Idyllic Tutor
1 Steelshaper's Gift
1 Three Dreams
1 Wrath of God
Instants: 7
1 Argivian Find
1 Condemn
1 Enlightened Tutor
1 Path to Exile
1 Return to Dust
1 Swords to Plowshares
1 Tithe
1 Caged Sun
1 Everflowing Chalice
1 Expedition Map
1 Extraplanar Lens
1 Gauntlet of Power
1 Lightning Greaves
1 Mana Vault
1 Mind's Eye
1 Pariah's Shield
1 Phyrexian Processor
1 Planar Portal
1 Scroll Rack
1 Sensei's Divining Top
1 Sol Ring
1 Thran Dynamo
Cards that seem weak, cards I am missing?
I'd also run Sun Titan, Decree of Justice (Cantrips and feeds Clamp), and possibly Elspeth, Knight-Errant. Helm of Possession works nicely here too. Return to Dust should also be in there. You could keep recycling Children of Korlis to gain control of other stuff. Rings of Brighthearth allows for double Sivvi activations. Endless Horizons is also pretty good.
Zealot il-Vec and Defiant Falcon wear equipment really well, plus they can get through for damage with Mirror Entity. Defiant Vanguard is pretty good on defense. Falcon and Vanguard are also good insurance in case Sivvi gets tucked.
I'd remove Seal of Cleansing, Crucible of Worlds (Not enough targets), and possibly the Argivian Find, Mine Excavation, and Everflowing Chalice.
Commander/EDH:
WU Hanna, Ship's Navigator WU
GW Saffi Eriksdotter GW
BW Selenia, Dark Angel BW
W Heliod, God of Sun W
Retired:
Jenara, Asura of War Thada Adel, Acquisitor Jaya Ballard, Task Mage Lin Sivvi, Defiant Hero Lyzolda, the Blood Witch Akroma, Angel of Wrath Nath of the Gilt-Leaf Tajic, Blade of the Legion Selvala, Explorer Returned Maga, Traitor to Mortals
Tiny Leaders:
W Mangara of Corondor W
Creatures
Serra Ascendant
Stonehewer Giant
Artifacts
Bonehoarder
Grafted Exoskeleton
Enchantments
Equipoise
Lands
Inkmoth Nexus
Boseiju, Who Shelters All
Poison I think is a must for all Lin decks. You already abuse Mirror Entity. Why not abuse it more? Zealot with Grafted Exoskeleton or just an active Inkmoth Nexus are just busted when pumped with it.
those who are skilled at winning do not become afraid.
Thus the wise win before the fight, while the ignorant fight to win."
poison is unnecessary in most edh decks ( I LOVE YOU SKITTLES).
what about feldikar sovereign?
540 Peasant cube- Gold EditionSomething Spicythose who are skilled at winning do not become afraid.
Thus the wise win before the fight, while the ignorant fight to win."
I can see crucible being cut, seal being cut, and possibly chalice. Argivian and mine are WAY to good in a color with little recursion.
Will definently add in Hero, already have vanguard.
Not sure about Zealot or Falcon.
Don't like decree because all it does is make guys. Martial Coup already fills this role better, wrathing and making dudes.
Don't like endless because I play in a competitive environment its just going to die and make me lose lands.
Not a huge fan of the titan, ya he's good but he really only gets a handful of things I need to get back, back. Plus he's a huge target like any other titan in this format.
Elspeth is kind of meh in edh, shes gonna make a guy or pump a guy then get shot in the face.
I am considering rings but I am unsure.
Changes I am thinking about:
- Chalice, Seal, and Crucible.
+ Falcon, Rings, and Hero.
Thoughts on Wayfarer's Bauble and Journeyer's Kite? If I add not sure what to drop.
0 ramp?
Land tax
Gift of estates
Gleam of resistance (landcycling)
Tithe
Oath of Lieges
Weathered Wayfarer
Eternal Dragon (Plainscycle and recurs to hand)
and a couple more cards i may of missed. your right in the regard of white having little ramp, but throwing in poison is not the answer. and there are tons of ramping in artifacts.
540 Peasant cube- Gold EditionSomething SpicyI love Argivian Find but every time I try fitting it and Excavation it ends up being dead half the time. I don't know, maybe you have better luck with it.
Zealot and Falcon are good for the aggro route. It's not a necessity but I like the option in case the combo falls through.
Skullclamp is arguably the second best draw engine in mono-white, behind Land Tax. The more you abuse it, the better. Granted, Decree isn't great without Clamp, but at worst it still cycles.
Endless Horizons is just better than Journeyor's Kite, IMO. If you play in a competitive environment, I don't really think people will target it because it's not really worth targetting. Unless you remove ALL your plains (Which isn't a smart decision unless you're trying to combo it with Goblin Charbelcher), there are just much better targets. Even getting about five or so plains gives you a huge advantage in CA.
Commander/EDH:
WU Hanna, Ship's Navigator WU
GW Saffi Eriksdotter GW
BW Selenia, Dark Angel BW
W Heliod, God of Sun W
Retired:
Jenara, Asura of War Thada Adel, Acquisitor Jaya Ballard, Task Mage Lin Sivvi, Defiant Hero Lyzolda, the Blood Witch Akroma, Angel of Wrath Nath of the Gilt-Leaf Tajic, Blade of the Legion Selvala, Explorer Returned Maga, Traitor to Mortals
Tiny Leaders:
W Mangara of Corondor W
10.) No taxing cards.
If i wanted to pay 1 more on my Fresh Volunteers, then id just have played Pearled Unicorn.
Can you play Crib Swap through Lin-Sivvi's tutor ability?
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So yes.
(U/B)(U/B)(U/B) JUMP IN THE LINE, ROCK YOUR BODY IN TIME
(R/W)(R/W)(R/W) RISING FROM THE NEON GLOOM, SHINING LIKE A CRAZY MOON
(U/R)(R/G)(G/U) STEALIN' WHEN I SHOULD HAVE BEEN BUYIN'
The only thing Sivvi would be good for there is putting it back into your library after use. It's not forgotten, it's just not usually worth it.
Commander/EDH:
WU Hanna, Ship's Navigator WU
GW Saffi Eriksdotter GW
BW Selenia, Dark Angel BW
W Heliod, God of Sun W
Retired:
Jenara, Asura of War Thada Adel, Acquisitor Jaya Ballard, Task Mage Lin Sivvi, Defiant Hero Lyzolda, the Blood Witch Akroma, Angel of Wrath Nath of the Gilt-Leaf Tajic, Blade of the Legion Selvala, Explorer Returned Maga, Traitor to Mortals
Tiny Leaders:
W Mangara of Corondor W
It doesn't have the rebel type unless it is already in play/graveyard. Doesn't have the changeling ability otherwise.
It does have the rebel type in your library (you can fetch it with Sliver Overlord for example) but is not a permanent so cannot be rebel searched.
However, all of the rebels puts them directly on the battlefield, which would cause major rules problems if you try putting an instant onto the battlefield. Thus, they have been errataed to only search out permanents. Sliver Overlord hasn't been errataed because it puts the card into your hand, so there's no rule issues there.
Commander/EDH:
WU Hanna, Ship's Navigator WU
GW Saffi Eriksdotter GW
BW Selenia, Dark Angel BW
W Heliod, God of Sun W
Retired:
Jenara, Asura of War Thada Adel, Acquisitor Jaya Ballard, Task Mage Lin Sivvi, Defiant Hero Lyzolda, the Blood Witch Akroma, Angel of Wrath Nath of the Gilt-Leaf Tajic, Blade of the Legion Selvala, Explorer Returned Maga, Traitor to Mortals
Tiny Leaders:
W Mangara of Corondor W
So stupid, i never noticed the erratas.
502.73a Changeling is a characteristic-defining ability. “Changeling” means “This object is every creature type.” This ability works everywhere, even outside the game. See rule 405.2.
10.) No taxing cards.
If i wanted to pay 1 more on my Fresh Volunteers, then id just have played Pearled Unicorn.
I'm still torn between running the zealot and the falcon, I don't know if the evasion is really necessary. Also if this is the case why don't I also run the 2 glider's?
Question about rings of brighthearth, If i pay 3 for lin's ability, Does it only cost 2 to copy the activation or do i have to pay for it(her ability) again?
What are your guys thoughts on Luminarch Ascension?
You pay for Lin Sivvi's ability, then two more on top of it for Rings. If you search with X=3, cost will be 3+2=5 for two searches.
Luminarch is okay depending on the meta. If there is a lack of enchantment removal it can end games quickly.
Commander/EDH:
WU Hanna, Ship's Navigator WU
GW Saffi Eriksdotter GW
BW Selenia, Dark Angel BW
W Heliod, God of Sun W
Retired:
Jenara, Asura of War Thada Adel, Acquisitor Jaya Ballard, Task Mage Lin Sivvi, Defiant Hero Lyzolda, the Blood Witch Akroma, Angel of Wrath Nath of the Gilt-Leaf Tajic, Blade of the Legion Selvala, Explorer Returned Maga, Traitor to Mortals
Tiny Leaders:
W Mangara of Corondor W
Maybe:
-1 Plains
-1 Mind Stone
-1 Lightbringer
-1 Lawbringer
+1 Endless Horizons
+1 Falcon
+1 Zealot Il-vec
+1 Return to Dust
Idk I'm not sold on equipment in multiplayer unless its greaves... Sell it to me? Thinking about cutting the bringers also since they are not really needed. I really value your input Tel, since you use to run the deck.
Is Zealot worth running without equipment?
If I did run equipment I would like to do:
3-4x Equipment(besides what I have now obviously I am assuming Jitte, Spike, and 1-2 other things) Don't want to run the swords, most of there abilities don't seem important enough. Plus I don't want to drop 40$ on 2 cards.
1 Stonehewer Giant
No Idea what I'd drop.
Updated the list.
Weakest cards are probably Seal of Cleansing and Planar Portal.
Hall of the Bandit Lord might be another good option.
I'm really not that experienced with Lin Sivvi, I played it for a bit but got bored of it after a while. I suggest checking out Urdjur's list if you want more suggestions, found here, it's pretty refined, albeit a bit outdated now.
Commander/EDH:
WU Hanna, Ship's Navigator WU
GW Saffi Eriksdotter GW
BW Selenia, Dark Angel BW
W Heliod, God of Sun W
Retired:
Jenara, Asura of War Thada Adel, Acquisitor Jaya Ballard, Task Mage Lin Sivvi, Defiant Hero Lyzolda, the Blood Witch Akroma, Angel of Wrath Nath of the Gilt-Leaf Tajic, Blade of the Legion Selvala, Explorer Returned Maga, Traitor to Mortals
Tiny Leaders:
W Mangara of Corondor W
I'll play Devil's advocate to Telekinesis here and suggest that Zealot and equipment aren't worth it. I've been playing Lin Sivvi for about 6 months now and I ended up cutting the zealot and equipment package after about a month of playing it. It was too many spots for too small an effect in My opinion. The only equipment left in My build is Skullclamp, Lightning Greaves and Pariah's Shield and I've never looked back.
With the spots I freed up doing this I focused My build more around the infinite life combo and using Felidar Soveriegn or Test of Endurance as the primary win conditions. Storm Herd works well at ending games as well. Theres something quite amusing about swinging withe one hundred billion ponies.
My build can be found here if You're interested:
http://forums.mtgsalvation.com/showthread.php?p=5938417#post5938417
Lightbringer
Lawbringer
Added:
Karmic Guide
Stonehewer Giant
What's good, whats not good? Thoughts on the above cards? Other cards I should get rid of? Other's to add?
Thanks for all the help so far.
Personally I never liked Storm Herd, it gives everyone a full turn to answer and it's about the juiciest Insurrection/Reins of Power/Twist Allegiance target as you can get. I've seen so many times people lose after they play the Herd because of this.
Commander/EDH:
WU Hanna, Ship's Navigator WU
GW Saffi Eriksdotter GW
BW Selenia, Dark Angel BW
W Heliod, God of Sun W
Retired:
Jenara, Asura of War Thada Adel, Acquisitor Jaya Ballard, Task Mage Lin Sivvi, Defiant Hero Lyzolda, the Blood Witch Akroma, Angel of Wrath Nath of the Gilt-Leaf Tajic, Blade of the Legion Selvala, Explorer Returned Maga, Traitor to Mortals
Tiny Leaders:
W Mangara of Corondor W