I like your Kaalia list more than most. What are your thoughts on Sword of Light and Shadow? I'm running that over Feast and Famine right now to recover any lost creatures should the graveyard hate not increase exponentially.
I also play Weiss Schwarz, Chaos, Vanguard and Wixoss.
Weiss Schwarz Sets
Accel World, Angel Beats, Familiar of Zero, Gargantia on the Verdurous Planet, Guilty Crown, Kill La Kill, Robotics;Notes, Sword Art Online.
Chaos Partners
Arpeggio of Blue Steel: Iona, Kirishima, Kongou.
Dangan Ronpa: Asahina, Togami.
Freezing: Vibration: Chiffon, Satelizer.
Vanguard Clans Favoured
Angel Feather, Dark Irregulars, Genesis, Neonecter, Pale Moon, Shadow Paladins, Tachikaze.
I like your Kaalia list more than most. What are your thoughts on Sword of Light and Shadow? I'm running that over Feast and Famine right now to recover any lost creatures should the graveyard hate not increase exponentially.
Sword of Feast and Famine goes infinite with Hellkite Charger. Sword of Light and Shadow is only really good for its return effect which I think is subpar to Feast. You can use other cards like Oversold Cemetery. With creatures like Reya Dawnbringer I think I rather have my creatures sit in the grave.
Sword of Feast and Famine goes infinite with Hellkite Charger. Sword of Light and Shadow is only really good for its return effect which I think is subpar to Feast. You can use other cards like Oversold Cemetery. With creatures like Reya Dawnbringer I think I rather have my creatures sit in the grave.
This attraction to infinite in EDH bothers me, but point made. I might include both then for resilience. I don't like cards being reliant on others and people will adapt.
I also play Weiss Schwarz, Chaos, Vanguard and Wixoss.
Weiss Schwarz Sets
Accel World, Angel Beats, Familiar of Zero, Gargantia on the Verdurous Planet, Guilty Crown, Kill La Kill, Robotics;Notes, Sword Art Online.
Chaos Partners
Arpeggio of Blue Steel: Iona, Kirishima, Kongou.
Dangan Ronpa: Asahina, Togami.
Freezing: Vibration: Chiffon, Satelizer.
Vanguard Clans Favoured
Angel Feather, Dark Irregulars, Genesis, Neonecter, Pale Moon, Shadow Paladins, Tachikaze.
With the Conspiracy/ Blood Speaker package I'm turning everything into demons. I benefit from it as much as any other tribal deck.
I agree with this package, have you considering trying to expand on it with Belbe's Portal? It isn't so slow as to be ineffective and can be a plan be, which Quicksilver Amulet also does.
I noticed you run Malfagor and Spirit of the Night as demons in addition to Rakdos, which is a must for Kaalia.
What's your reasoning for them? I'm only running Rakdos and the new Dread Cacodemon in my version and am curious. Malfagor seems to just ignore all principles of card advantage to me, but may be there as you have no actual wrath spells without it. Spirit too seems like a black acroma, but with only some of the abilities.
I also play Weiss Schwarz, Chaos, Vanguard and Wixoss.
Weiss Schwarz Sets
Accel World, Angel Beats, Familiar of Zero, Gargantia on the Verdurous Planet, Guilty Crown, Kill La Kill, Robotics;Notes, Sword Art Online.
Chaos Partners
Arpeggio of Blue Steel: Iona, Kirishima, Kongou.
Dangan Ronpa: Asahina, Togami.
Freezing: Vibration: Chiffon, Satelizer.
Vanguard Clans Favoured
Angel Feather, Dark Irregulars, Genesis, Neonecter, Pale Moon, Shadow Paladins, Tachikaze.
I agree with this package, have you considering trying to expand on it with Belbe's Portal? It isn't so slow as to be ineffective and can be a plan be, which Quicksilver Amulet also does.
I had considered adding things like this but finding room for them is the challenge.
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I noticed you run Malfagor and Spirit of the Night as demons in addition to Rakdos, which is a must for Kaalia.
What's your reasoning for them? I'm only running Rakdos and the new Dread Cacodemon in my version and am curious. Malfagor seems to just ignore all principles of card advantage to me, but may be there as you have no actual wrath spells without it. Spirit too seems like a black acroma, but with only some of the abilities.
You pretty much nailed it for Malfagor. Him and Rakdos are the only sweepers.
Spirit of the Night is just a fattie I have a soft spot for. I used to play Him in reanimator back in the day and loved Him. The fact that He's big and evasive is just a plus
this deck needs an armageddon, that way, your opponents wont be able to do much after you get your gen in play....
I passed on geddon because all it would take is 1 removal spell I would be totally shut down. The deck is too reliant on the general as it is.
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I'm curious as to why you passed on Admonition Angel, Pestilence Demon, and Abyssal Persecutor. Admonition and Pestilence seem very utilitarian and Abyssal, like Baneslayer curves out nicely.
I passed on the Admonition Angel because I play in a sweeper heavy play group and the protection I run needs to be kept of Kaalia. Pestilence Demon didn't seem like it would do enough in a 3 color deck for My taste and I didn't want to have to find a way to kill the Abyssal Persecutor
What about Yosei and some sort of sac mechanic. Those mixed in with all the stuff that brings your creatures to play from the graveyard, you could easily lock one or two people down completely.
The thing about Abyssal Persecutor, is that he is a card that prevents people in 3+ player games from winning with just about every single auto-win card (for example Helix Pinnacle and other things of that sort). So from that perspective he is one of the few cards that Black has that is a defense against the Auto-Win cards in the game. In order for those decks to win with those cards they have to find a way to get rid of Abyssal Persecutor themselves.
That doesn't mean he isn't a hindrance for you yourself. But combining Persecutor and Platinum Angel would be kind of hilarious to say the least, and they both do kind of fit the theme of a Kaalia deck.
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What about Yosei and some sort of sac mechanic. Those mixed in with all the stuff that brings your creatures to play from the graveyard, you could easily lock one or two people down completely.
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any scion of ur drago deck with Karrthus, Tyrant of Jund in it benefits more than you
Ok, since You found an example that proves You right let Me rephrase My previous statement. I benefit from it more than any of the other tribal decks in My playgroup except for maybe Karrthus, even then, a swing or 2 from Rakdos slows the Karrthus player down enough that He isn't a threat anymore.
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The thing about Abyssal Persecutor, is that he is a card that prevents people in 3+ player games from winning with just about every single auto-win card (for example Helix Pinnacle and other things of that sort). So from that perspective he is one of the few cards that Black has that is a defense against the Auto-Win cards in the game. In order for those decks to win with those cards they have to find a way to get rid of Abyssal Persecutor themselves.
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Basandra needs to go. Both of her abilities are somewhat weak in this format. If she is there for a cheap drop, abyssal persecutor would be a much better option.
Not needed. It'd take up too many spots and doesn't really help the deck achieve any of it's goals
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Basandra needs to go. Both of her abilities are somewhat weak in this format.
Generally speaking I'd agree about Her abilities but in this case making sure no spells are being cast during combat is relevant. This deck has a high dependency on it's general and a well placed Comdemn can riun the game plan pretty badly
What am I missing with Persecutor? I run this guy is various decks, and I don't see how you're keeping the opponents from auto-winning with him.
I had too much trouble keeping Kaalia alive to continue taking the swing/drop freebie approach. I'm sure it's doable, but I gave up and tried a very different approach. If you're interested, the decklist is in the sig.
What about Deathrender? Attached to the Blood Speaker it can drops your bombs into play as well.
I can see why it would be good but since it's My best friends favorite junk card that He attempts to wedge in every deck I don't think I could make Myself play it.
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What am I missing with Persecutor? I run this guy is various decks, and I don't see how you're keeping the opponents from auto-winning with him.
The relevent bit is "Your opponents can't lose the game." The way its worded it would cover all Your opponents
The relevent bit is "Your opponents can't lose the game." The way its worded it would cover all Your opponents
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I think see what you're saying, but... If player 1 (you) has Percy in play, player 2 combos out, players 3 and 4 can't lose (but you can).... and player 2 can still win. Felidar/Test still means he wins...no?
If player 1 (you) has Percy in play, player 2 combos out, players 3 and 4 can't lose (but you can).... and player 2 can still win. Felidar/Test still means he wins...no?
Depending on the time stamp, If the Felidar/Test comes down during player 2s turn and player 1 drops Percy when it gets back to Him player 2 then has to deal with player 1 or at least Percy before Their win con will trigger.
At least I think thats how it works. Maybe We sould take this to the rulings forum?
Not needed. It'd take up too many spots and doesn't really help the deck achieve any of it's goals
Generally speaking I'd agree about Her abilities but in this case making sure no spells are being cast during combat is relevant. This deck has a high dependency on it's general and a well placed Comdemn can riun the game plan pretty badly
Good point I didn't think of that. For sac outlets have you thought about Carnage Altar? Sac a Yosei or whatever draw a card.
I'm working on a Kaalia deck as well; know any good card draw in these colors?
Good point I didn't think of that. For sac outlets have you thought about Carnage Altar? Sac a Yosei or whatever draw a card.
I'm working on a Kaalia deck as well; know any good card draw in these colors?
I don't know about Carnage Altar. it seems pretty clunky.
The only decent draw engines I've found so far are Wheel of Fortune and Dragon Mage. Honestly, I don't think You'll find a better draw engine the the dragon
Have you considered running discard outlets/buried alive and cheap reanimate spells (necromancy, animate dead, reanimate,? One I can think of off the top of my head is Demonic Collusion. It seems good as a solid backup plan for cheating all those expensive creatures into play. One problem is that the most efficient discard is in blue and green.
1 Kaalia of the Vast
LAND
3 Plains
3 Mountain
3 Swamp
1 Plateau
1 Scrubland
1 Badlands
1 Arid Mesa
1 Marsh Flats
1 Bloodstained Mire
1 Sacred Foundry
1 Godless Shrine
1 Blood Crypt
1 Battlefield Forge
1 Caves of Koilos
1 Sulfurous Springs
1 Rugged Prairie
1 Fetid Heath
1 Graven Cairns
1 Dragonskull Summit
1 Clifftop Retreat
1 Isolated Chapel
1 Rocky Tar Pit
1 Terramorphic Expanse
1 Evolving Wilds
1 Command Tower
1 Vesuva
1 Volrath's Stronghold
1 Mistveil Plains
1 Miren, the Moaning Well
1 High Market
1 Akroma, Angel of Wrath
1 Akroma, Angel of Fury
1 Basandra, Battle Seraph
1 Iona, Shield of Emeria
1 Linvala, Keeper of Silence
1 Reya Dawnbringer
1 Angel of Despair
1 Baneslayer Angel
1 Adakar Valkyre
1 Karmic Guide
DRAGONS
1 Bladewing the Risen
1 Yosei, the Morning Star
1 Steel Hellkite
1 Thunder Dragon
1 Bogardan Hellkite
1 Skithiryx, the Blight Dragon
1 Dragon Mage
1 Knollspine Dragon
1 Eternal Dragon
1 Hellkite Charger
DEMONS
1 Malfegor
1 Rakdos the Defiler
1 Rune-Scarred Demon
1 Bloodgift Demon
OTHER DUDES
1 Blood Speaker
ENCHANTMENTS
1 Land Tax
1 Conspiracy
1 Debtors' Knell
1 Aggravated Assult
1 Phyrexian Arena
EQUIPMENT
1 Lightning Greaves
1 Sword of Feast and Famine
1 Darksteel Plate
1 Swiftfoot Boots
1 Whispersilk Cloak
1 Sunforger
1 Vampiric Tutor
1 Enlightened Tutor
1 Condemn
1 Path to Exile
1 Swords to Plowshares
1 Oblation
1 Chaos Warp
1 Return to Dust
1 Wild Ricochet
1 Reiterate
PLANESWALKERS
1 Sarkhan the Mad
1 Liliana Vess
SORCERIES
1 Demonic Tutor
1 Grim Tutor
1 Imperial Seal
1 Diabolic Intent
1 Cruel Tutor
1 Idyllic Tutor
1 Diabolic Tutor
1 Wheel of Fortune
1 Patriarch's Bidding
1 Yawgmoth's Will
ARTIFACTS
1 Mana Crypt
1 Sol Ring
1 Chrome Mox
1 Mox Diamond
1 Sensei's Divining Top
Main Decks
Diaochan, Iroas, God of Victory, Kaalia, Marton, Ulasht, Volrath,
Kaervek, Prossh, Titania
Amusing or Themed
Progenitus
Pauper Guildmages
Azorius Boros Dimir Golgari Gruul Izzet Korozda
Orzhov Rakdos Rix Maadi Selesyna Simic Skarrg Zameck
I also play Weiss Schwarz, Chaos, Vanguard and Wixoss.
Accel World, Angel Beats, Familiar of Zero, Gargantia on the Verdurous Planet, Guilty Crown, Kill La Kill, Robotics;Notes, Sword Art Online.
Chaos Partners
Arpeggio of Blue Steel: Iona, Kirishima, Kongou.
Dangan Ronpa: Asahina, Togami.
Freezing: Vibration: Chiffon, Satelizer.
Vanguard Clans Favoured
Angel Feather, Dark Irregulars, Genesis, Neonecter, Pale Moon, Shadow Paladins, Tachikaze.
Wixoss - Just trial decks for now!
Sword of Feast and Famine goes infinite with Hellkite Charger. Sword of Light and Shadow is only really good for its return effect which I think is subpar to Feast. You can use other cards like Oversold Cemetery. With creatures like Reya Dawnbringer I think I rather have my creatures sit in the grave.
This attraction to infinite in EDH bothers me, but point made. I might include both then for resilience. I don't like cards being reliant on others and people will adapt.
Main Decks
Diaochan, Iroas, God of Victory, Kaalia, Marton, Ulasht, Volrath,
Kaervek, Prossh, Titania
Amusing or Themed
Progenitus
Pauper Guildmages
Azorius Boros Dimir Golgari Gruul Izzet Korozda
Orzhov Rakdos Rix Maadi Selesyna Simic Skarrg Zameck
I also play Weiss Schwarz, Chaos, Vanguard and Wixoss.
Accel World, Angel Beats, Familiar of Zero, Gargantia on the Verdurous Planet, Guilty Crown, Kill La Kill, Robotics;Notes, Sword Art Online.
Chaos Partners
Arpeggio of Blue Steel: Iona, Kirishima, Kongou.
Dangan Ronpa: Asahina, Togami.
Freezing: Vibration: Chiffon, Satelizer.
Vanguard Clans Favoured
Angel Feather, Dark Irregulars, Genesis, Neonecter, Pale Moon, Shadow Paladins, Tachikaze.
Wixoss - Just trial decks for now!
Thank You. I put a lot of thought into each card choice.
In general I like it but for a build with as much recursion as this one has I don't think its needed.
It also works with Aggravated Assault
I know what You mean, sadly tricks like this are needed in My playgroup. It's all combo and Control, no real aggro at all.
I hadn't considered that. Its an interesting idea.
I was thinking about it but don't know where to make room.
With the Conspiracy/ Blood Speaker package I'm turning everything into demons. I benefit from it as much as any other tribal deck.
I agree with this package, have you considering trying to expand on it with Belbe's Portal? It isn't so slow as to be ineffective and can be a plan be, which Quicksilver Amulet also does.
I noticed you run Malfagor and Spirit of the Night as demons in addition to Rakdos, which is a must for Kaalia.
What's your reasoning for them? I'm only running Rakdos and the new Dread Cacodemon in my version and am curious. Malfagor seems to just ignore all principles of card advantage to me, but may be there as you have no actual wrath spells without it. Spirit too seems like a black acroma, but with only some of the abilities.
Main Decks
Diaochan, Iroas, God of Victory, Kaalia, Marton, Ulasht, Volrath,
Kaervek, Prossh, Titania
Amusing or Themed
Progenitus
Pauper Guildmages
Azorius Boros Dimir Golgari Gruul Izzet Korozda
Orzhov Rakdos Rix Maadi Selesyna Simic Skarrg Zameck
I also play Weiss Schwarz, Chaos, Vanguard and Wixoss.
Accel World, Angel Beats, Familiar of Zero, Gargantia on the Verdurous Planet, Guilty Crown, Kill La Kill, Robotics;Notes, Sword Art Online.
Chaos Partners
Arpeggio of Blue Steel: Iona, Kirishima, Kongou.
Dangan Ronpa: Asahina, Togami.
Freezing: Vibration: Chiffon, Satelizer.
Vanguard Clans Favoured
Angel Feather, Dark Irregulars, Genesis, Neonecter, Pale Moon, Shadow Paladins, Tachikaze.
Wixoss - Just trial decks for now!
I had considered adding things like this but finding room for them is the challenge.
You pretty much nailed it for Malfagor. Him and Rakdos are the only sweepers.
Spirit of the Night is just a fattie I have a soft spot for. I used to play Him in reanimator back in the day and loved Him. The fact that He's big and evasive is just a plus
Ditto on Armageddon, Kaalia needs more mass land destruction.
I passed on geddon because all it would take is 1 removal spell I would be totally shut down. The deck is too reliant on the general as it is.
I passed on the Admonition Angel because I play in a sweeper heavy play group and the protection I run needs to be kept of Kaalia. Pestilence Demon didn't seem like it would do enough in a 3 color deck for My taste and I didn't want to have to find a way to kill the Abyssal Persecutor
The thing about Abyssal Persecutor, is that he is a card that prevents people in 3+ player games from winning with just about every single auto-win card (for example Helix Pinnacle and other things of that sort). So from that perspective he is one of the few cards that Black has that is a defense against the Auto-Win cards in the game. In order for those decks to win with those cards they have to find a way to get rid of Abyssal Persecutor themselves.
That doesn't mean he isn't a hindrance for you yourself. But combining Persecutor and Platinum Angel would be kind of hilarious to say the least, and they both do kind of fit the theme of a Kaalia deck.
Good idea. Added
Ok, since You found an example that proves You right let Me rephrase My previous statement. I benefit from it more than any of the other tribal decks in My playgroup except for maybe Karrthus, even then, a swing or 2 from Rakdos slows the Karrthus player down enough that He isn't a threat anymore.
That's an intersesting way to look at it. I hadn't considered it from that angle. We see Felidar Sovereign, Test of Endurance, Epic Struggle and Helix Pinnacle played at Our table. I'll have to find a spot.
Lol! that's awesome. I totally want to do that now
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Not needed. It'd take up too many spots and doesn't really help the deck achieve any of it's goals
Generally speaking I'd agree about Her abilities but in this case making sure no spells are being cast during combat is relevant. This deck has a high dependency on it's general and a well placed Comdemn can riun the game plan pretty badly
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WGSuperfriendsGW
GRBTorrent of SoulsBRG
UWDeath CannonWU
WUBRG5 Color AllyGRBUW
WUBMaster TransmuterBUW
I had too much trouble keeping Kaalia alive to continue taking the swing/drop freebie approach. I'm sure it's doable, but I gave up and tried a very different approach. If you're interested, the decklist is in the sig.
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EDH Math
EDH Decks:
Ghost Council: The Magic Mafia of Orzhova
BB Drana: Down with the Sickness
Rasputin: Reality is Broken
Vish Kal Bleeder: Bloody Kisses
Teysa, Orzhov Dominatrix
Stonebrow: Breaking Things
BWR Kaalia Punisher: Heaven's on Fire
Grimgrin: Dead Reckoning
I can see why it would be good but since it's My best friends favorite junk card that He attempts to wedge in every deck I don't think I could make Myself play it.
The relevent bit is "Your opponents can't lose the game." The way its worded it would cover all Your opponents
I think see what you're saying, but... If player 1 (you) has Percy in play, player 2 combos out, players 3 and 4 can't lose (but you can).... and player 2 can still win. Felidar/Test still means he wins...no?
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EDH Math
EDH Decks:
Ghost Council: The Magic Mafia of Orzhova
BB Drana: Down with the Sickness
Rasputin: Reality is Broken
Vish Kal Bleeder: Bloody Kisses
Teysa, Orzhov Dominatrix
Stonebrow: Breaking Things
BWR Kaalia Punisher: Heaven's on Fire
Grimgrin: Dead Reckoning
Depending on the time stamp, If the Felidar/Test comes down during player 2s turn and player 1 drops Percy when it gets back to Him player 2 then has to deal with player 1 or at least Percy before Their win con will trigger.
At least I think thats how it works. Maybe We sould take this to the rulings forum?
Good point I didn't think of that. For sac outlets have you thought about Carnage Altar? Sac a Yosei or whatever draw a card.
I'm working on a Kaalia deck as well; know any good card draw in these colors?
I don't know about Carnage Altar. it seems pretty clunky.
The only decent draw engines I've found so far are Wheel of Fortune and Dragon Mage. Honestly, I don't think You'll find a better draw engine the the dragon