Both Archons aren't Angels. Shepherd is jank, you can't kick Desolation Angel off of Kaalia, Victory's Herald is win-more, Playing Sunblast Angel off of Kaalia is a bad idea.
Rakdos to me is a subpar choice. Yes that one attack is brutal, but he probably just sits there as a blocker afterwards.
Shield of Kaldra is expensive for the effect.
Drop the equip tutors, just use regular draw/tutors. IMO, of course.
You don't have much of a way to abuse Tortured Existence, unlike say Karador. Disturbed Burial is kinda meh, why not just bring the creature back to life? (aka the battlefield). Same with Shattered Crypt...Actually the only Reanim card I like there is Cauldron Dance.
You could probably just make do with Sneak Attack and Amulet.
/shrug on utility artifacts
I would run the appropriate Signets rather than most of that.
I don't exactly like Reconnaissance. It's pretty much only going to be used on Kaalia, and it's for protection, which is why Aegis Angel, Deathless Angel, Darksteel Plate, etc are there.
Take a look at my list, in my sig. It goes a different direction than a lot of common lists, but you may get some ideas, etc.
Yeah, I was wondering about this one, and going back and forth on it. I would only put it on the board if I could kick it, and only if I had a really good board position. Probably going in the bin.
Playing Sunblast Angel off of Kaalia is a bad idea.
Lol, yeah, I wouldn't put it in with her ability, lol. Unless she had darksteel plate strapped to her or something, anyway. Still wondering about this one too, will probably end up cut.
Well... it is more expensive than Darksteel Plate. But the deck runs off her, and there are 2 *really* good pieces of equipment that can do a lot to keep her in play. It's so good, it's really hard to cut. It saves her from combat damage, spot removal and field wipe. And the equipment itself is hard to get rid of. That's a lot of threats to sidestep with just one card. I'll probably playtest with it and see how I like it.
You don't have much of a way to abuse Tortured Existence, unlike say Karador. Disturbed Burial is kinda meh, why not just bring the creature back to life? (aka the battlefield).
Yeah, this seemed like too much of a stretch to me too. Cut. It was going to be cool with Zodiac Dragon, until I saw it had been errated to say "from the battlefield". Bleh.
As far as putting stuff back on the battlefield, I should probably just go ahead and go that route. Those types of spells seemed to come at a much higher cost, or exiled the creature, etc. I'll take another look at them though, because you're right, it saves a step. I've saw one Kaalia list the other day that basically a Kaalia reanimator build. I wasn't sure I wanted to be able to cast an Iona right out of the gate, that seemed a little too cutthroat to me, that was another reason I shied away from that. But yeah, I'll look at those other ones again.
I don't exactly like Reconnaissance. It's pretty much only going to be used on Kaalia, and it's for protection, which is why Aegis Angel, Deathless Angel, Darksteel Plate, etc are there.
Take a look at my list, in my sig. It goes a different direction than a lot of common lists, but you may get some ideas, etc.
Thanks for your advice and thoughts, it's always nice to get input from someone else so you aren't just listening to your own echo chamber. I'll take a look at your list. Also missing from the above list is any combat tricks and removal. I'll take a look at those soon.
Yeah, I was wondering about this one, and going back and forth on it. I would only put it on the board if I could kick it, and only if I had a really good board position. Probably going in the bin.
Depending on how mean you want to be, consider Armageddon instead.
Lol, yeah, I wouldn't put it in with her ability, lol. Unless she had darksteel plate strapped to her or something, anyway. Still wondering about this one too, will probably end up cut.
I'll admit, she was in my build for a while, before I finally had that epiphany of "WOW I'm stupid." Lol
Well... it is more expensive than Darksteel Plate. But the deck runs off her, and there are 2 *really* good pieces of equipment that can do a lot to keep her in play. It's so good, it's really hard to cut. It saves her from combat damage, spot removal and field wipe. And the equipment itself is hard to get rid of. That's a lot of threats to sidestep with just one card. I'll probably playtest with it and see how I like it.
I might even say just run Indestructibility, even knowing that such enchantments can be 2 for 1s. When we're running Aegis, Deathless, Drkstl Plate, Champion's Helm, etc, I see that as the best of the best protection. From there, I say go with reanimation. Keeps your options open, doesn't pigeon hole you into one strategy, and so on. Maybe I'm just tired, but I think I sound like a broken record. Lol
I wasn't sure I wanted to be able to cast an Iona right out of the gate, that seemed a little too cutthroat to me...
Me too, actually. I'm sure I'll pick up an Iona at some point, since I'm a little bit of an angel and dragon card collector, but I don't think my buddies would enjoy playing against that.
Thanks for your advice and thoughts, it's always nice to get input from someone else so you aren't just listening to your own echo chamber. I'll take a look at your list. Also missing from the above list is any combat tricks and removal. I'll take a look at those soon.
Of course, glad I could get the mental juices flowing.
A couple more lists to look at would be Blackjack68's list, his follows a similar enough plan to mine; punish the opponent and then swoop in later for the kill. Gaka's list is based more on the Worldgorger Dragon combo (it's explained fairly early, I needed a refresher on it).
Both guys are EDH forum all stars, so you'll be in good hands.
Sections are generally organized by CMC.
1 Kaalia of the Vast
Angels (14)
1 Linvala, Keeper of Silence
1 Karmic Guide
1 Avacyn, Angel of Hope
1 Gisela, Blade of Goldknight
1 Adarkar Valkyrie
1 Admonition Angel
1 Deathless Angel
1 Aegis Angel
1 Tariel, Reckoner of Souls
1 Angel of Despair
1 Akroma, Angel of Fury
1 Akroma, Angel of Wrath
1 Iona, Shield of Emeria
1 Reya Dawnbringer
Demons (3)
1 Rune-Scarred Demon
1 Bloodgift Demon
1 Rakdos the Defiler
Dragons (5)
1 Balefire Dragon
1 Steel Hellkite
1 Eternal Dragon
1 Hoard-Smelter Dragon
1 Dragon Mage
1 Knollspine Dragon
Utility (6)
1 Anger
1 Quicksilver Amulet
1 Sword of Fire and Ice
1 Fervor
1 Mass Hysteria
1 Sword of Light and Shadow
Protection for Kaalia (3)
1 Lightning Greaves
1 Swiftfoot Boots
1 Darksteel Plate
1 Vampiric Tutor
1 Demonic Tutor
1 Diabolic Tutor
1 Increasing Ambition
1 Grim Tutor
1 Demonic Collusion
1 Cruel Tutor
Draw/consistency (7)
1 Sensei's Divining Top
1 Gift of Estates
1 Phyrexian Arena
1 Wheel of Fortune
1 Reforge the Soul
1 Memory Jar
1 Skeletal Scrying
1 Necropotence
Ramp/color fixing (6)
1 Sol Ring
1 Orhzov Signet
1 Boros Signet
1 Rakdos Signet
1 Talisman of Indulgence
1 Wayfarer's Bauble
Reanimator package (6)
1 Entomb
1 Buried Alive
1 Corpse Connosseur
1 Uburial Rites
1 Animate Dead
1 Reanimate
Board Wipe (2)
1 Cataclysm
1 Armageddon
Land (38)
1 Badlands
1 Plateau
1 Scrubland
1 Blood Crypt
1 Sacred Foundry
1 Godless Shrine
1 Bloodstained Mire
1 Arid Mesa
1 Marsh Flats
1 Graven Cairns
1 Rugged Prarie
1 Fetid Heath
1 Clifftop Retreat
1 Dragonskull Summit
1 Isolated Chapel
1 Command Tower
1 Vesuva
1 Reflecting Pool
1 Mistveil Plains
1 Shizo, Death's Storehouse
1 Bojuka Bog
1 Sunhome, Fortress of Legion
1 Homeward Path
1 High Market
1 Hall of the Bandit Lord
1 Volrath's Stronghold
1 Vault of the Archangel
1 Slayers' Stronghold
1 Shinka, the Bloodsoaked Keep
3 Mountains
3 Plains
3 Swamp
Graveyard recursion that may have a slot if I need more:
Creatures that may be contemplated:
Other stuff that may be contemplated:
:symu::symr::symg:Riku of Two Reflections (ETB toolbox)
:symw::symb::symr:Kaalia of the Vast Reanimator
:symw::symu::symb::symr::symg:Karona's Proliferating Allies
Teferi, mage of Zhalfir
Rakdos to me is a subpar choice. Yes that one attack is brutal, but he probably just sits there as a blocker afterwards.
Shield of Kaldra is expensive for the effect.
Drop the equip tutors, just use regular draw/tutors. IMO, of course.
You don't have much of a way to abuse Tortured Existence, unlike say Karador. Disturbed Burial is kinda meh, why not just bring the creature back to life? (aka the battlefield). Same with Shattered Crypt...Actually the only Reanim card I like there is Cauldron Dance.
You could probably just make do with Sneak Attack and Amulet.
/shrug on utility artifacts
I would run the appropriate Signets rather than most of that.
I don't exactly like Reconnaissance. It's pretty much only going to be used on Kaalia, and it's for protection, which is why Aegis Angel, Deathless Angel, Darksteel Plate, etc are there.
Take a look at my list, in my sig. It goes a different direction than a lot of common lists, but you may get some ideas, etc.
--- Meren of Clan Nel Toth --- Jhoira of the Ghitu --- Prime Speaker Zegana ---
--- Drana, Kalastria Bloodchief --- Ghoulcaller Gisa --- Akroma, Angel of Fury --- Titania, Protector of Argoth ---
Whoops, don't know how I missed that. That's a bit mind-blowing actually. Wow.
Meant to cut that one, thanks. I was copy/pasting from another list I had made. Gone!
Yeah, I was wondering about this one, and going back and forth on it. I would only put it on the board if I could kick it, and only if I had a really good board position. Probably going in the bin.
Lol, yeah, I wouldn't put it in with her ability, lol. Unless she had darksteel plate strapped to her or something, anyway. Still wondering about this one too, will probably end up cut.
Well... it is more expensive than Darksteel Plate. But the deck runs off her, and there are 2 *really* good pieces of equipment that can do a lot to keep her in play. It's so good, it's really hard to cut. It saves her from combat damage, spot removal and field wipe. And the equipment itself is hard to get rid of. That's a lot of threats to sidestep with just one card. I'll probably playtest with it and see how I like it.
That's probably good advice, I'll try my best to heed that one.
Yeah, this seemed like too much of a stretch to me too. Cut. It was going to be cool with Zodiac Dragon, until I saw it had been errated to say "from the battlefield". Bleh.
As far as putting stuff back on the battlefield, I should probably just go ahead and go that route. Those types of spells seemed to come at a much higher cost, or exiled the creature, etc. I'll take another look at them though, because you're right, it saves a step. I've saw one Kaalia list the other day that basically a Kaalia reanimator build. I wasn't sure I wanted to be able to cast an Iona right out of the gate, that seemed a little too cutthroat to me, that was another reason I shied away from that. But yeah, I'll look at those other ones again.
Agree, I was just mulling it over. Cut.
Thanks for your advice and thoughts, it's always nice to get input from someone else so you aren't just listening to your own echo chamber. I'll take a look at your list. Also missing from the above list is any combat tricks and removal. I'll take a look at those soon.
:symu::symr::symg:Riku of Two Reflections (ETB toolbox)
:symw::symb::symr:Kaalia of the Vast Reanimator
:symw::symu::symb::symr::symg:Karona's Proliferating Allies
Teferi, mage of Zhalfir
Depending on how mean you want to be, consider Armageddon instead.
I'll admit, she was in my build for a while, before I finally had that epiphany of "WOW I'm stupid." Lol
I might even say just run Indestructibility, even knowing that such enchantments can be 2 for 1s. When we're running Aegis, Deathless, Drkstl Plate, Champion's Helm, etc, I see that as the best of the best protection. From there, I say go with reanimation. Keeps your options open, doesn't pigeon hole you into one strategy, and so on. Maybe I'm just tired, but I think I sound like a broken record. Lol
Me too, actually. I'm sure I'll pick up an Iona at some point, since I'm a little bit of an angel and dragon card collector, but I don't think my buddies would enjoy playing against that.
Of course, glad I could get the mental juices flowing.
A couple more lists to look at would be Blackjack68's list, his follows a similar enough plan to mine; punish the opponent and then swoop in later for the kill. Gaka's list is based more on the Worldgorger Dragon combo (it's explained fairly early, I needed a refresher on it).
Both guys are EDH forum all stars, so you'll be in good hands.
--- Meren of Clan Nel Toth --- Jhoira of the Ghitu --- Prime Speaker Zegana ---
--- Drana, Kalastria Bloodchief --- Ghoulcaller Gisa --- Akroma, Angel of Fury --- Titania, Protector of Argoth ---