Complain about bannings here and only here. Any banning related discussion/complaining that is not in this thread WILL be infracted.
-Helix
*Ancestral Vision
Ancient Den
*Bitterblossom
Chrome Mox
Dark Depths
*Dread Return
*Glimpse of Nature
Golgari Grave-Troll
Great Furnace
*Hypergenesis
*Jace, the Mind Sculptor
*Mental Misstep
Seat of the Synod
Sensei's Divining Top
Skullclamp
*Stoneforge Mystic
Sword of the Meek
Tree of Tales
Umezawa's Jitte
*Valakut, the Molten Pinnacle
Vault of Whispers
Thoughts? They just killed a lot of decks currently in the format. This is a HUGE meta shift and a lot of current decks will die out. I think they went way to overboard on the bannings.
The Bitterblossom thing seems weird to be. Is Faeries really that good in this format? On an unrelated note now that Modern is a legitimate format can it get moved onto the main forum index?
It pleases me apart from Mental Misstep and Ancestral Visions. I don't get what makes those ban worthy. Everything else I can agree with.
With Misstep and Visions any blue based control deck could easily put the breaks on any hyper aggro deck (like those wanting turn 1 goblin guide) very easily and attain card advantage quick enough to make the game tilted totally in thier favor. Imagine playing a boros deck, you drop Goblin Guide/Steppe Lynx turn 1 and it gets misstepped, they drop island and suspend visions. You now know two things, they can stop you from making relevant 1 mana plays for nothing (reducing your decks power by half) and they will draw four cards before there hand is exhausted. That is a rough posistion for an aggro player to be in. They simply tried to balance the format and give aggro decks a chance while simultaneously reducing the cost it takes to get into the format.
You'll notice that we haven't touched a blue card yet. When we got to this point and realized that blue was escaping unscathed, we knew we had to ban something, or a very powerful blue control deck would likely be the best thing left.
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Wow. This list is somehow even worse than the original ban list. Like, way worse.
I love how the justification for most of the bans is "it's good in Legacy, therefore clearly it will be broken in an en entirely different format".
Good job, Wizards. Good ****ing job. You took an interesting format and just ****ing killed it. I hope I'm proven wrong, but right now it looks like Zoo is going to be the only deck worth playing in the goddamn format.
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When you peer long enough through the depths, the depths peer also through you.
>Hypergenesis
>YEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEESSSSS-
>Dread Return
>JTMS
>SFM
>Valakut
>Bitterblossom
>Mental Misstep
>Ancestral Visions
>ALL HAIL OUR NEW OVERLORDS, ZOO AND 12POST!
Seriously though, wtf? Dredge isn't that good. AT ALL. It averages TURN SIX KILLS. So Dredge just got banned. Faeries (a meh deck, and Control's only hope) is crippled. Hypergenesis and Elves are gone, which is so full of "**** YEAH!" Affinity still isn't a thing, which boggles minds. JTMS and SFM are gone, even though they're barely competitive in Modern. Mental Misstep is gone because WIZARDS ****ING HATES US AND WANTS ZOO TO DOMINATE!
The entire justification was "IT WAS GOOD IN ANOTHER FORMAT SO **** YOU GUYS!"
:|
Seriously. Way to **** a format. We're trading "Hypergenesis" for "Control is no longer a deck. Dredge is no longer a deck. Zoo is the only viable deck. WE'RE BASING OUR BANNINGS COMPLETELY ON WHAT'S GOOD IN OTHER FORMATS."
That works for me. The average power level of decks in Legacy is extremely high, and if a card can hang it in Legacy then chances are it can dominate here, because Modern doesn't have anything to keep it down.
Now, I don't agree with banning Blossom and Visions just to keep Faeries down, because those cards see a lot of play in other decks, but at the same time I'm glad that they're at least trying to keep the format at an even keel and not have anything from previous Standard or Extended or Legacy just kill it before the format even has a chance to get going. Maybe they're a bit.. mislead.. but I'd rather they make a few mistakes than just say **** you guys we don't give a **** about you.
And like Tom said, they can always unban things. But they won't if they don't get an earful about it, so if you want Visions and Blossoms back, make sure Tom knows about it.
RDW and Zoo are the new decks to beat. I'll still try and play Bant Zoo, but it's just not the same as Bant Aggro-Control. And after I started buying my cards too...
Getting a Twitter now. This is almost as big a banlist as Legacies' now, isn't it? From 8 cards, most of which people didn't want banned- to TWENTY ONE, all but maybe 4 of which people didn't want banned.
Yay for Zoo! Worse than Caw-Blade, Faeries, Jund, Affinity, and Urza-Tinker combined, ALL BECAUSE WIZARDS BANNED EVERYTHING
-Helix
*Ancestral Vision
Ancient Den
*Bitterblossom
Chrome Mox
Dark Depths
*Dread Return
*Glimpse of Nature
Golgari Grave-Troll
Great Furnace
*Hypergenesis
*Jace, the Mind Sculptor
*Mental Misstep
Seat of the Synod
Sensei's Divining Top
Skullclamp
*Stoneforge Mystic
Sword of the Meek
Tree of Tales
Umezawa's Jitte
*Valakut, the Molten Pinnacle
Vault of Whispers
http://www.wizards.com/Magic/Magazine/Article.aspx?x=mtg/daily/ld/155
Thoughts? They just killed a lot of decks currently in the format. This is a HUGE meta shift and a lot of current decks will die out. I think they went way to overboard on the bannings.
YES!
YES!
YEEEESSSSS!
Mostly because i had a playset and wanted to do something with them./
Though Jace and SFM being banned probably means the price of Halowed Fountainw ill go down.
Calvin and Hobbes
Cube Tutor
Hehehe. I am so happy.
But Bitterblossom and Ancestral Visions? I like those cards, so it's kind of bittersweet.
BUT NOT REALLY BECAUSE HAHA STONEFORGE
>Dark Confidant and Tarmogoyf aren't
wtg Wizards...
With Misstep and Visions any blue based control deck could easily put the breaks on any hyper aggro deck (like those wanting turn 1 goblin guide) very easily and attain card advantage quick enough to make the game tilted totally in thier favor. Imagine playing a boros deck, you drop Goblin Guide/Steppe Lynx turn 1 and it gets misstepped, they drop island and suspend visions. You now know two things, they can stop you from making relevant 1 mana plays for nothing (reducing your decks power by half) and they will draw four cards before there hand is exhausted. That is a rough posistion for an aggro player to be in. They simply tried to balance the format and give aggro decks a chance while simultaneously reducing the cost it takes to get into the format.
2 Snapcaster Mage
3 Cremate
4 Think Twice
3 Forbbiden Alchemy
3 Syncopate
3 Psychic Strike
2 Negate
3 Dimir Charm
3 Tragic Slip
3 Tribute to Hunger
3 Mutilate
2 Vanishment
3 Evolving Wilds
4 Watery Grave
4 Drowned Catacomb
3 Island
8 Swamp
I loved the reasoning for Jace though.
EDH:
RNorin the WaryR <-Link! (Primer - Mono Red Control)
GUEdric, Spymaster of TrestUG <- Link! (Mini-Primer - Dredge)
Duel Commander:
WUGeist of Saint TraftUW <- Link! (Aggro-Control)
BGSkullbriar, the Walking GraveGB <- Link! (Aggro)
BUGDamia, Sage of StoneGUB <- Link! (Extinction Control)
Church of the Wary
I love how the justification for most of the bans is "it's good in Legacy, therefore clearly it will be broken in an en entirely different format".
Good job, Wizards. Good ****ing job. You took an interesting format and just ****ing killed it. I hope I'm proven wrong, but right now it looks like Zoo is going to be the only deck worth playing in the goddamn format.
>YEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEESSSSS-
>Dread Return
>JTMS
>SFM
>Valakut
>Bitterblossom
>Mental Misstep
>Ancestral Visions
>ALL HAIL OUR NEW OVERLORDS, ZOO AND 12POST!
Seriously though, wtf? Dredge isn't that good. AT ALL. It averages TURN SIX KILLS. So Dredge just got banned. Faeries (a meh deck, and Control's only hope) is crippled. Hypergenesis and Elves are gone, which is so full of "**** YEAH!" Affinity still isn't a thing, which boggles minds. JTMS and SFM are gone, even though they're barely competitive in Modern. Mental Misstep is gone because WIZARDS ****ING HATES US AND WANTS ZOO TO DOMINATE!
The entire justification was "IT WAS GOOD IN ANOTHER FORMAT SO **** YOU GUYS!"
:|
Seriously. Way to **** a format. We're trading "Hypergenesis" for "Control is no longer a deck. Dredge is no longer a deck. Zoo is the only viable deck. WE'RE BASING OUR BANNINGS COMPLETELY ON WHAT'S GOOD IN OTHER FORMATS."
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PS: Ban Misstep in Legacy instead...I'd like to actually be able to play aggro again in that format.
Now, I don't agree with banning Blossom and Visions just to keep Faeries down, because those cards see a lot of play in other decks, but at the same time I'm glad that they're at least trying to keep the format at an even keel and not have anything from previous Standard or Extended or Legacy just kill it before the format even has a chance to get going. Maybe they're a bit.. mislead.. but I'd rather they make a few mistakes than just say **** you guys we don't give a **** about you.
And like Tom said, they can always unban things. But they won't if they don't get an earful about it, so if you want Visions and Blossoms back, make sure Tom knows about it.
UWU/W BlinkUW
BMono-Black ControlB
Commander:
GWUJenaraGWU
BGeth MBCB
RGXenagosRG
WUBSharuumWUB (retired)
Modern:
xAffinityx (starting)
Standard:
Ha! That's a good one.
Yeah. The format was HEALTHIER with two degenerate combo decks in it. Who at WotC do we write to?
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Edit: Oh, and let's see if we can get a lot of people to vote "It's terrible" in the poll on Tom's article.
Getting a Twitter now. This is almost as big a banlist as Legacies' now, isn't it? From 8 cards, most of which people didn't want banned- to TWENTY ONE, all but maybe 4 of which people didn't want banned.
Yay for Zoo! Worse than Caw-Blade, Faeries, Jund, Affinity, and Urza-Tinker combined, ALL BECAUSE WIZARDS BANNED EVERYTHING
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I'll spam Twitter, too, just please don't get those two unbanned.
No offense, but speak for yourself my friend.
UWU/W BlinkUW
BMono-Black ControlB
Commander:
GWUJenaraGWU
BGeth MBCB
RGXenagosRG
WUBSharuumWUB (retired)
Modern:
xAffinityx (starting)
Standard:
Ha! That's a good one.
Actually, those two cards have yet to do ANYTHING degenerate. Or Tier 1 actually, this is a mostly combo-beatdown format. Or was.
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