Legacy's Legacy

[Sr. Kitty]

This thread is for the discussion of my latest article, Legacy's Legacy. We would be grateful if you would let us know what you think, but please keep your comments on topic.

[JohnJones]

The article was very nicely written, well done.

You get 2 Kudos!

[bateleur]

Interesting stuff.

As a non Legacy player I have a question:

It's not played as much as Salgame mainly because Resets are about $125 for a playset and they are important to the deck.

I vaguely recall there being two versions of the deck, one of which used Reset and worked at instant speed and the other which used more Sorceries and went off during its own turn. Is the latter now considered unplayable ? (Was it ever playable ?)

[Belgareth]

No Spring tide (as the sorcery speed cloud of fairie version is called) is still played , however neither is played extensively.
This brings me to my next point , This was a wonderful article and very well put together but I think you give solidarity too much credit.

The only way solidarity is competitive is if your name happens to be David Gearheart , he is the only person who can seemingly use this deck at a competitive level.

[Sapphire Tri]

The only way solidarity is competitive is if your name happens to be David Gearheart , he is the only person who can seemingly use this deck at a competitive level.

Incorrect... On a detail note.

Many can play it competitively....
No one but him can win a match that clintches top 4 but him...

Good read and good input. Glad to see the format get more attention.

[Nihil Credo]

While we're talking of Solidarity, it is absolutely wrong to say that "Pithing Needle on fetchlands and REB just kill this deck". I don't think anyone has ever had a problem with the former (most lists run only 3 of each, so it's very unlikely that Needle strands one in your hand), while REB from red decks is easily matched with the obligatory 4 Hydroblasts in your sideboard - Goblins isn't a bad matchup for the all-Instant deck. The real problems for Solidarity come from Black decks, where every discard spell slows you down by at least a turn unless you have Brainstorm or Remand. Land destruction in Homebrew and Pox is also very strong. Another difficult matchup (though not nearly as bad as Black decks) is Threshold, but the tech of MD Remand and SB Disrupt has improved it immensely.

Also, "there is only one good Solidarity player" is right up with "there are no wrong threats" in the class of statements that are only true in appearance. DG may be the only one who got big finishes at the 2-3 major Legacy tournaments so far, but several of local tournies all over the world have featured good Solidarity finishes and wins (check the MTGThesource.com threads)

PS: that said, it's true that Gearhardt is an amazing player. I remember reading about how he won against this hand from his opponent:

Force of Will
Force of Will
Force of Will
Counterspell
Counterspell
Blue creature

with his opponent having UUUU untapped *and* a 2-turn clock on board.

[bateleur]

Originally Posted by Nihil

The real problems for Solidarity come from Black decks, where every discard spell slows you down by at least a turn

I'm having trouble squaring that with the article's comment:

#4 Salgame: The top combo deck in Legacy [...] has really only two bad match-ups: Threshold and High Tide.

So who does win Salgame vs Solidarity ? Or is 4 Duress plus 4 Cabal Therapy not considered to be much discard ?

[Belgareth]

Salgame is more consistent but solidarity has the random " i win" factor.
If anything the worst matchup for combo is always Homebrew as it hit's both the mana base and the hand .

[TheDragon]

How exactly does the Salgame deck win, I see the Brain Freeze but dont see the combo?

Also, Reset is listed twice in the decklist.

[bateleur]

Originally Posted by TheDragon

How exactly does the Salgame deck win, I see the Brain Freeze but dont see the combo?

The trick is to abuse Auriok Salvagers ability in conjunction with Lion's Eye Diamond. This generates an arbitrarily large amount of mana. You then use it to apply Salvagers' ability to Pyrite Spellbomb repeatedly (alternatively with a Disciple of the Vault in play the act of repeatedly saccing the Diamond does the job already).

It's basically a Mirrodin Block casual deck, but powered up a little.

[Farseer]

4 Polluted Delta
2 Flooded Strand
12 Island

(18 land)

4 High Tide
**4 Reset**
4 Force of Will
4 Remand
**4 Reset**
3 Turnabout
2 Brain Freeze
1 Twincast
3 Cunning Wish
4 Brainstorm
2 Peek
2 Opt
3 Meditate
4 Impulse
2 Flash of Insight

64 cards in total


Erm, just a question regarding that High Tide deck. Not being too familiar with it i had a look through the cards and see that Reset is listed twice. Is this supposed to be another card or was it just listed twice? (Given that the deck is 64 cards I'm guessing the latter but I'd just like to be sure)

[Avatar of Kokusho]

That MBC decklist makes me sad, but other than that, I am heartily glad to see Legacy get some more attention.

Solidarity is the ultimate pull-it-out-of-your-butt combo deck...watching Gearhart play it is one of the funniest things I have ever seen in life.

Gearheart: "Here's what I'm gonna do....Turnabout, tap your guys"
Angel Stompy player: "Heh."

He did this 3x in a row...and stood up and announced, "I've just discovered something...Solidarity loses to Angel Stompy."

Guess there's a reason he keeps that foiled Mise next to him while he plays.

[Sr. Kitty]

I'm glad to see that everyone has enjoyed the read. I hope to do it again soon.

[TheDragon]

I'm sorry, I meant the High Tide deck, how does that win. Is it a combo used with Brain Freeze?

[Aggro_zombies]

Originally Posted by TheDragon

I'm sorry, I meant the High Tide deck, how does that win. Is it a combo used with Brain Freeze?

basically what it does is let your opponent play some spells, then play a few high tides followed by some of your own spells, and then play a brain freeze with lethal storm count ftw. i've never actually played with the deck so i don't know how exactly you should play it, i just know that it has the very annoying ability to say "response, kill you" and that it trashes my rifter deck if i can't get combo hate into play fast enough.

good article, btw. i liked it.