Warder, Hunter and O-Ring act as the removal. Abolisher keeps my opponent from playing spells on my turn. Arbiter, along side Warder should slow down Pod decks. Titan is there to get everything back should the need arise.
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I don't really think Mentor of the Meek goes well in a deck with Honor of the Pure.
Champion of the Parish is good with a human sub-theme as most of the good WW creatures are humans.
Mirran Crusader, Hero of Bladehold , Elite Inquisitor etc.
Maybe even considering Doomed Traveler ? Since you can get 2 uses out of it. And the 2nd time it comes with evasion. With Honor of the Pure 2 flying damage stacks up pretty quickly.
Also , Anyone tried Inquisitor Exarch as a 4-of ? its a 2/2 for 2 that does 2 damage upon entering the battlefield. Could be helpful for closing out games.
Guys please opinions on japanese cards. Lost a 3/3 creature against Japan celestial colonade. This guy played all creatures and spells in english cards, but some cards in his manabase was japanese. I dont registrated this really ( my brain say its all fine and all english to me lets attack his empty board)...and i am sure it is a Kind of legal cheating. It is not ok, but i know legal. I Hate such people. I never forget colonade normally, but with this Tricks it can happen one time in 3 years and such people take advantage of this
If I am a customer spending premium amount of dollars, I expect a premium service. Jund falls into the category of a premium deck costing more dollars than a majority of the rest of the format. I'm not getting the desired performance ratio per dollars spent out of the Jund deck because WOTC decided to make the format more diverse.
Honor and Mentor do not mix well. I think that Honor is the better play here because it shortens the clock on my opponent. Reinforcements and Titans are there as 'in case cards.' Do I think that they are are the proper number? No, but like I said this is an idea and it does need tweaked.
I agrees that Abolisher should at best be in the sideboard, if he remains in the deck at all. 1-Drops do need to make there way in here. Champion will be coming in. Lawkeeper and Doomed Traveler need to see testing. One holds them back while the other replaces itself. Elite Inquisitor needs to make it in here too. FS and Vigil, plus protections? Yes please. Hero was going up against the Titan and does deserve testing. I ended up picking Titan over Hero to help in case of a board wipe.
If Humans do become a sub-theme maybe Angelic Overseer needs to be tested too?
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Warder, Hunter and O-Ring act as the removal. Abolisher keeps my opponent from playing spells on my turn. Arbiter, along side Warder should slow down Pod decks. Titan is there to get everything back should the need arise.
Thoughts?
A couple of thoughts.
1.) Cards like Grand Abolisher, Leonin Arbiter, and such are only really sideboard cards. Relic-Warder is probably a safe include on main board due to popular cards like, Swords and Birthing Pod. Move these cards to the sideboard. I suggest replacing these guys with 2 Drops that have evasion. Leonin Skyhunter is a great dude for this deck. Fits the curve nice and has a dude behind it.
2.) You have a SEVERE lack of one drops. While we may not have power houses like, Steppe Lynx (I miss him already) we do have about four really solid one drops in white. If about 60% of your creatures are human you could try champion of Parsih, however I do suggest Doomed Travler, and Elite Vanguard.
3.) Timely Reinforcements, is completely situational Midnight Haunting, is a much stronger card for producing tokens that you want.
4.) Sun Titan, you have too many of him. One or two is fine for a finisher. More than that and you'll be seeing him when you don't want to. As others have said, Hero of Bladehold is a very strong finisher that fits your curve perfectly. Infact like Sun Titan, you can hold it in hand until your opponent tries to sweep you. Your curve should look like....
T1: Elite Vanguard/Doomed Travler
T2: Leonin Skyhunter/Leonin Relic-Warder/Elite Inqusitor (Another really good two drop)
T3: Mirran Crusader/Fiend Hunter/Honor of the Pure/Oblivion Ring
T4: (Let's assume you're on the draw and your opponent board wipes you) Hero of Bladehold.
5.) Dismember! You need to be running 2-3 in every deck =/ The card is broken, and you need to be playing it.
6.) What's your recovery plan from removal? Enough removal (Looking at you mono black!) Is enough to shut this deck down. Do you have a Win Condition that lets you Alpha Strike? In the past we've been spoiled with Brave the elements. Currently Gideon Jura is a good choice.
Sideboard is in testing, I was thinking a transformational UW control, but we'll see how that works.
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Without throwing a complete deck idea out there, if you were to take out HotP and put in Mikaeus, the Lunarch then you could make use of Mentor of the Meek. Even if you cast Mikaeus on turn 3 as a 2/2, he could start buffing every other round. This allows you to pump up your guys more in the long run I would think. Plus, if you were to draw a second Mikaeus, you could always just let him give away all his counters and die, and then cast him as a much bigger version.
Does everyone just not notice how good moorland haunt is?
I mean late game, or after a board wipe, it gives you substantial amount of reach and flying no less. With Honor of The Pure you're paying effectively 2 mana for a 2/2 flyer, seems awesome, and is working wonders in testing for me.
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In a Weenie deck you definitively don't want to play creatures that deals less damages per turn that they CCM unless they really improve the damage potential of rest of the deck (for example by replenishing your hand like Mentor of the Meek).
Exit Fiend Hunter and Midnight Haunting.
I don't really agree with this statement. Both of those cards could very easily keep the push going for the deck that it needs. Midnight Haunting is two power in two bodies, with flying. While it's not Spectral Procession, it's not something I would ignore.
As for fiend hunter, I think he's at least three due to the fact that he acts as removal for you. He gets rid of creatures you can't deal with, or blockers in your way allowing you to alpha strike. Both of these cards seem fine in this kind of deck.
I am thinking that maybe we should splash blue. Dysfunkshunel brings up a good point with moorland haunt. Haunt, two Venser and maybe 3-4 Leak might make the deck that much better. Haunt gives us options for after a sweeper. With Venser we not only gain bounce tricks with Relic-Warder and Hunter, but his second ability of making creatures unblockable can seal fights.
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Does anyone think it would be viable to run suture priest / phyrexian metamorph as 2-3 of's if you have relic warders in the deck? They aren't terrible cards (priest could help against aggro decks, metamorph is metamorph) and it'd give you the chance to combo out if you get them...
With a cmc cap of 4 i usually find 18 lands to be plenty and rarely get mana screwed. SWaP on a mirran crusader is overpowered and a spirit mantle lets it walk past your opponents creatures to smack him in the face. Not sure on the full side board but thinking 3 o-ring(boarded since 4 fiend hunters should be enough in to start then you can modify based on what your up against), 3-4 divine offering(i feel tempered steel will be one of the top decks to beat) to start.
Any ideas/ suggestions would be appreciated.
How would a W/u build seem with Tezz's Gambit as a bit of card advantage? The proliferate makes Champion of the Parish bigger, and possibly your other creatures with Mikaeus, the Lunarch as well.
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(They can kill you, but the legalities of eating you are quite a bit dicier).
If you wanted to splash in a little bit of green, you could make incredible use of Gavony Township.
It's even better at buffing up your creatures then ol' mythic Mickey (Mikaeus), if you have the mana to cough up for it once per turn. Then again, with white weenies, why wouldn't you?
Gavony Township might be a little slow for a WW deck, but it does provide a decent late-game push, especially if you untap with an Hero of Bladehold (I've heard good things about getting 10 damage from 1 creature drop).
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(They can kill you, but the legalities of eating you are quite a bit dicier).
I honestly am having a lot of trouble seeing Mentor of the Meek in this deck. I don't think he's "too good not to run." You have to pay extra mana for his effect, not to mention once you do have Honor of the Pure down, he activates on a lot less creatures. If you have two down, well.... I'm just not convinced he's a better choice over more beaters or removal.
In all this im really curious why no one had mentioned using Elspeth tirel. The synergy. She has with mentor is ridiculous. She fields our army,fixes health issue and board wipes. Seems like something worth noting.
I am thinking that maybe we should splash blue. Dysfunkshunel brings up a good point with moorland haunt. Haunt, two Venser and maybe 3-4 Leak might make the deck that much better. Haunt gives us options for after a sweeper. With Venser we not only gain bounce tricks with Relic-Warder and Hunter, but his second ability of making creatures unblockable can seal fights.
Thoughts?
The problem with running venser and leaks is, you might as well be playing control and not aggro. The haunt and the blue is there just to give reach late, because after a DoJ when you have multiple haunts and HoTP you can make an army of 2/2 or 3/3 or even 4/4 for 2 mana. I'm all for Mana leak out of the board, but is the main, you'd be replaying the pseudo spectral procession we have available in Midnight haunt.
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4 Grand Abolisher
4 Leonin Relic-Warder
4 Leonin Arbiter
4 Mirrian Crusader
4 Fiend Hunter
4 Sun Titan
4 Honor of the Pure
4 Oblivion Ring
4 Timely Reinforcements
Land
24 Plains
4 Revoke Existence
4 Celestial Purge
4 Nevermore
3 Day of Judgement
Warder, Hunter and O-Ring act as the removal. Abolisher keeps my opponent from playing spells on my turn. Arbiter, along side Warder should slow down Pod decks. Titan is there to get everything back should the need arise.
Thoughts?
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Champion of the Parish is good with a human sub-theme as most of the good WW creatures are humans.
Mirran Crusader, Hero of Bladehold , Elite Inquisitor etc.
Maybe even considering Doomed Traveler ? Since you can get 2 uses out of it. And the 2nd time it comes with evasion. With Honor of the Pure 2 flying damage stacks up pretty quickly.
Also , Anyone tried Inquisitor Exarch as a 4-of ? its a 2/2 for 2 that does 2 damage upon entering the battlefield. Could be helpful for closing out games.
I agrees that Abolisher should at best be in the sideboard, if he remains in the deck at all. 1-Drops do need to make there way in here. Champion will be coming in. Lawkeeper and Doomed Traveler need to see testing. One holds them back while the other replaces itself. Elite Inquisitor needs to make it in here too. FS and Vigil, plus protections? Yes please. Hero was going up against the Titan and does deserve testing. I ended up picking Titan over Hero to help in case of a board wipe.
If Humans do become a sub-theme maybe Angelic Overseer needs to be tested too?
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A couple of thoughts.
1.) Cards like Grand Abolisher, Leonin Arbiter, and such are only really sideboard cards. Relic-Warder is probably a safe include on main board due to popular cards like, Swords and Birthing Pod. Move these cards to the sideboard. I suggest replacing these guys with 2 Drops that have evasion. Leonin Skyhunter is a great dude for this deck. Fits the curve nice and has a dude behind it.
2.) You have a SEVERE lack of one drops. While we may not have power houses like, Steppe Lynx (I miss him already) we do have about four really solid one drops in white. If about 60% of your creatures are human you could try champion of Parsih, however I do suggest Doomed Travler, and Elite Vanguard.
3.) Timely Reinforcements, is completely situational Midnight Haunting, is a much stronger card for producing tokens that you want.
4.) Sun Titan, you have too many of him. One or two is fine for a finisher. More than that and you'll be seeing him when you don't want to. As others have said, Hero of Bladehold is a very strong finisher that fits your curve perfectly. Infact like Sun Titan, you can hold it in hand until your opponent tries to sweep you. Your curve should look like....
T1: Elite Vanguard/Doomed Travler
T2: Leonin Skyhunter/Leonin Relic-Warder/Elite Inqusitor (Another really good two drop)
T3: Mirran Crusader/Fiend Hunter/Honor of the Pure/Oblivion Ring
T4: (Let's assume you're on the draw and your opponent board wipes you) Hero of Bladehold.
5.) Dismember! You need to be running 2-3 in every deck =/ The card is broken, and you need to be playing it.
6.) What's your recovery plan from removal? Enough removal (Looking at you mono black!) Is enough to shut this deck down. Do you have a Win Condition that lets you Alpha Strike? In the past we've been spoiled with Brave the elements. Currently Gideon Jura is a good choice.
Also I do like Inquistor Exarch.
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Modern
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4 Elite Vanguard
4 Elite Inquisitor
4 Mirrian Crusader
4 Fiend Hunter
3 Hero of Bladehold
4 Oblivion Ring
3 Midnight Haunting
3 Dismember
too many 3 drops I would drop some for more creatures like that 2/2 spirit with intimidate.
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Played:
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4 Doomed Traveler
4 Elite Inquisitor
4 Grand Abolisher
4 Mirran Crusader
4 Hero of Bladehold
4 Midnight Haunting
3 Dismember
2 Sword of War and Peace
4 Glacial Fortress
4 Seachrome Coast
4 Moorland Haunt
3 Flashfreeze
2 Day of Judgment
2 Oblivion Ring
2 Gideon Jura
2 Torpor Orb
Sideboard is in testing, I was thinking a transformational UW control, but we'll see how that works.
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4 Champion of the Parish
3 Doomed Traveler
4 Elite Inquisitor
3 Leonin Relic-Warder
4 Mirran Crusader
3 Fiend Hunter
3 Hero of Bladehold
4 Honor of the Pure
3 Midnight Haunting
3 Dismember
3 Oblivion Ring
23 Plains
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By this logic, could porcelain legionnaire be considered? Since he is a 3/1 for "2"
4 Champion of the Parish
4 Doomed Traveler
4 Elite Inquisitor
4 Elite Vanguard
4 Fiend Hunter
3 Gideon's Lawkeeper
4 Inquisitor Exarch
3 Mentor of The Meek
4 Honor of the Pure
2 Oblivion Ring
2 Angelic Destiny
Lands: 22
22 Plains
A few notes:
-Mentor of the Meek is too good not to run even in a deck with Honor of the Pure. You wont always have the Honor in Play and he actually helps you dig for it. And in my list, even with Honor of the Pure, Doomed Traveler, Gideon's Lawkeeper and Fiend Hunter have 2 Power so the bonus still applies.
- Considering changing Inquisitor Exarch for either Leonin Skyhunter or Porcelain Legionnaire. Thoughts on this?
- Considering changing O-ring to Dismember
-Angelic Destiny as a 2 of has been fantastic. Doomed traveler in play, after a DoJ you enchant the Spirit token and voila! Instant semi Baneslayer.
- Fiend Hunter is amazing. Removing huge creatures or blockers in a 1/3 body is very very good. I reccomend you guys try him
I mean late game, or after a board wipe, it gives you substantial amount of reach and flying no less. With Honor of The Pure you're paying effectively 2 mana for a 2/2 flyer, seems awesome, and is working wonders in testing for me.
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I don't really agree with this statement. Both of those cards could very easily keep the push going for the deck that it needs. Midnight Haunting is two power in two bodies, with flying. While it's not Spectral Procession, it's not something I would ignore.
As for fiend hunter, I think he's at least three due to the fact that he acts as removal for you. He gets rid of creatures you can't deal with, or blockers in your way allowing you to alpha strike. Both of these cards seem fine in this kind of deck.
Standard
WUW/U HumansUW
Modern
WBW/B TokensBW
Thoughts?
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I'm not too worried about DoJ. If DoJ gets too popular then I'll probably up the count of Doomed Traveler and maybe run Mausoleum Guard.
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I'm thinking something like
3 Gideon's Lawkeeper
3 Leonin Relic-Warder
3 Suture Priest
4 Mirran Crusader
3 Phyrexian Metamorph
3 Hero of Bladehold
4 Leonin Skyhunter
3 Doomed Traveler
3 Elite Inquisitor
4 Fiend Hunter
3 Spirit Mantle
4 Honor of the Pure
Artifacts
2 Sword of War and Peace
Lands
18 Plains
With a cmc cap of 4 i usually find 18 lands to be plenty and rarely get mana screwed. SWaP on a mirran crusader is overpowered and a spirit mantle lets it walk past your opponents creatures to smack him in the face. Not sure on the full side board but thinking 3 o-ring(boarded since 4 fiend hunters should be enough in to start then you can modify based on what your up against), 3-4 divine offering(i feel tempered steel will be one of the top decks to beat) to start.
Any ideas/ suggestions would be appreciated.
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(They can kill you, but the legalities of eating you are quite a bit dicier).
It's even better at buffing up your creatures then ol' mythic Mickey (Mikaeus), if you have the mana to cough up for it once per turn. Then again, with white weenies, why wouldn't you?
3 Contested War Zone
19 Plains
4 Champion of the Parish
4 Doomed Traveler
4 Elite Vanguard
4 Accorder Paladin
4 Elite Inquisitor
3 Grand Abolisher
4 Mirran Crusader
4 Honor of the Pure
3 Oblivion Ring
4 Silver-Inlaid Dagger
It feels a lot like the WW decks from Kamigawa.
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(They can kill you, but the legalities of eating you are quite a bit dicier).
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4 Doomed Traveler
4 Elite Inquisitor
4 Elite Vanguard
3 Fiend Hunter
3 Gideon's Lawkeeper
4 Honor of the Pure
3 Oblivion Ring
18 Plains
3 Mentor of the Meek
4 Ghost Quarter
4 Leonin Arbiter
2 Accorder Paladin
Dont forget arbitor + ghost quarter...