[Deck] Reanimator - Page 32

Kevinliu · 02-14-2012, 02:04 PM

I like Sheoldred also in here. She is basically a 6/6 body that also has a reanimation ability on her so you can pretty much 2 for 1 your opponent all day when she hits and sticks past your upkeep phases.

Warden · 02-14-2012, 04:06 PM

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Originally Posted by csy

yeah I see how she looks good, but doesn't it feel win more? the lack or protection outside of me protecting her make me hesitant to really go for her first.

It's matchup dependent but she's good against anything non-white. Dismember doesn't kill her and unless they rifle 2 bolts against her, you're going to reap rewards mighty fast. Against RUG and UR I find her to be a good #3 target (Sphinx #1, Iona #2). Them losing a dude per turn automatically is also nice. Taking out delvers and goyfs is a big deal.

Kevinliu · 02-14-2012, 04:23 PM

Yeah, sometimes whenever I play Reanimator, I always like to throw some big fattie out there to see if my opponent will try to play around it or try to do something about it. I mean, if they want to kill Sheoldred with two burn spells I am good with that because that's two less burn spells going at my head. Baiting seems fine in that regard.

Heresy19 · 02-14-2012, 11:51 PM

She's also a pain for your opponent in the mirror.

Granvolley · 02-15-2012, 10:18 AM

I'll try Sheoldred in my 75 but really I'm not so sure ( apart in mirror's MU) when to play it... I mean against burn Iona is a God ( or Empyrial), Against RUG Sphynx is better, vs UW Inkwell or Iona are stronger... It isn't only a win-more? If we are scared about firebolt or direcr damage we can try the 8/8 artifact Platinum Emperion . Platinum is really strong because we don't lose life using reanimate reanimate

Heresy19 · 02-15-2012, 05:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Granvolley

I'll try Sheoldred in my 75 but really I'm not so sure ( apart in mirror's MU) when to play it... I mean against burn Iona is a God ( or Empyrial), Against RUG Sphynx is better, vs UW Inkwell or Iona are stronger... It isn't only a win-more? If we are scared about firebolt or direcr damage we can try the 8/8 artifact Platinum Emperion . Platinum is really strong because we don't lose life using reanimate reanimate

You can't use your fetch lands and can't use force of will (unless you hardcast it) when he is in play.... I'm pretty surre the life loss of reanimate makes it unplayable too.

rxavage · 02-15-2012, 05:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Heresy19

You can't use your fetch lands and can't use force of will (unless you hardcast it) when he is in play.... I'm pretty surre the life loss of reanimate makes it unplayable too.

I picked on up for the deck and once i realized that I removed it from the bench.

Granvolley · 02-16-2012, 04:27 AM

For sure we can play reanimate and we don't lose life. I play 1 urborg to have mana from fetch. However i think to play it only in side

Nitelite · 02-16-2012, 05:10 AM

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You can't use your fetch lands and can't use force of will (unless you hardcast it) when he is in play.... I'm pretty surre the life loss of reanimate makes it unplayable too.

The life loss is not part of the casting cost for reanimate so you can actually cast it with no penalty. In fact, just reanimating the Emperion will not cost you any life.

rxavage · 02-17-2012, 06:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Nitelite

The life loss is not part of the casting cost for reanimate so you can actually cast it with no penalty. In fact, just reanimating the Emperion will not cost you any life.

So, can thoughtseize also be cast?

Warden · 02-17-2012, 06:41 PM

^^I am not sure. Losing life is part of the card. I think it may fall under force of will type restrictions.

evilGod · 02-17-2012, 07:37 PM

Thoughtseize works just fine with Platinum Emperion. It's not a life payment so you can still cast it and it'll just do as much as it can, in this case just taking a card.

HastyJace · 02-18-2012, 05:00 PM

Platinum Emperion was interesting when I first saw it, but Swords to Plowshares is everywhere in this format. Reanimator needs its creatures to stick. What purpose does Emperion serve when you have Iona, Shield of Emeria,Sphinx of the Steel Wind, and Empyrial Archangel. Emperion just seems redundant.

I have never tested Sheoldred, Whispering One, but I'm skeptical about her. Just like Iona she needs protection because most players are either trying to dodge a Jace or a swords depending the color you name. I could see her being good in the mirror, but in the mirrors I have played, I have dropped Iona on Black, and the game ends after that. Seems like Reanimator has taken a back seat lately, I hope it has a showing tomorrow in the SCG open.

Agent()()9 · 02-19-2012, 08:30 AM

Hello all,

I've been lurking for awhile; this is my first post.

Has anyone tried Rune-Scarred Demon in this deck-type? A free Demonic Tutor with a black, 6/6 flyer would seem like a very powerful effect. I'm going to test it out when I can, but here are some immediate advantages I see:

1) Obvious card-advantage with a powerful tutor effect.
2) Super-flexible. If no protection/spot removal is in hand, it can be pulled upon resolution.
3) It is black, and immune to lots of black creature removal.
4) It is a respectable 6/6 with evasion.
5) Allows you to put some powerful one-of cards in your deck. Sideboard hate can be accessed more easily using this.
6) Tutor effect can be used every time it is reanimated (unless it is exiled, of course).
7) Synergy with Brainstorm.
8) Can actually be hard-cast in the late game (not that many games would actually play out that long).

I love this card's incredible flexibility and potential because of the ability to pull whatever card you need for the current situation.

Until I get my hands on Elesh, I'm also using Blazing Archon and/or Carnifex Demon in its place. I also like Carnifex for reasons #3, 4 and 8 above, as well as the fact that its counters stay in play after it dies.

Sorry if my logic sounds noobish. I'm married and a dad with a full-time job, so I don't get much time to play.

Kurts_rejoinder · 02-19-2012, 03:37 PM

Hi, and welcome.

IMHO the demon is only good if you can tutor for something that wins you the game on the spot. The demon is good in vintage Oath because it can fetch you Time Walk or Will, which make you win the game (almost) right there. Unless Legacy has something with the same power level, I'd say there are better reanimate targets than R-S Demon.

Regarding your 3rd point, the black decks I've seen use either Smother or Diabolic Edict effects, when not splashing white or green for spot removal (from Swords to Plowshares to Maelstrom Pulse).

This is just my opinion, but I'm not a tourney regular and obv I've not tested the demon in the deck either.

Speaking of that, I've been toying a bit with the deck recently and wanted the regulars to provide some insight on what should work in the deck or not.

- I've seen that the 'consensus' deck runs 17 lands. Don't you guys think this is too low? Wasteland can be a pain in the *ss with only 17 ... obviously not in all matches, because the curve is really low, but from time to time I've been stuck for many turns with just 1 basic.

- Since Karakas usually breaks our back and Reliquaries are played here and there, don't you think that we should include MD hate? Like Wasteland or Pithing Needle?

- I saw someone testing Faithless Looting some pages ago. Has anyone tested it in tournament play? Adding a splash contributes to make our manabase weaker, but it also gives a lot in return: 4 more study effects with 2 Faithless Looting, Red Elemental Blast / Pyroblast and efficient artifact hate just in case the cage gets played everywhere.

- Other discard outlets: From time to time, I've seen some builds playing Turbulent Dreams. What do you guys think about Forbid, Recall or Insidious dreams?

02-14-2012, 11:51 PM	#469
Heresy19 Ascended Mage Join Date: Apr 2010 Location: Gatineau, Québec, Canada Posts: 452 Blog Entries: 4	She's also a pain for your opponent in the mirror. __________________ 11:15, restate my assumptions: 1. Mathematics is the language of nature. 2. Everything around us can be represented and understood through numbers. 3. If you graph these numbers, patterns emerge. Therefore: There are patterns everywhere in nature. - Maximillian Cohen. Standard: Don't play. Legacy: Reanimator Vintage: WGD
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02-15-2012, 10:18 AM	#470
Granvolley Just Getting Started Join Date: Feb 2012 Location: italy Posts: 24	I'll try Sheoldred in my 75 but really I'm not so sure ( apart in mirror's MU) when to play it... I mean against burn Iona is a God ( or Empyrial), Against RUG Sphynx is better, vs UW Inkwell or Iona are stronger... It isn't only a win-more? If we are scared about firebolt or direcr damage we can try the 8/8 artifact Platinum Emperion . Platinum is really strong because we don't lose life using reanimate reanimate Last edited by Granvolley; 02-15-2012 at 02:50 PM.
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02-17-2012, 07:37 PM	#477
evilGod Archmage Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: Wellington, FL Posts: 974	Thoughtseize works just fine with Platinum Emperion. It's not a life payment so you can still cast it and it'll just do as much as it can, in this case just taking a card. __________________ Afro Dave, @st4rwind on Twitter Level 1 Judge Streaming with both: twitch.tv/ggbritt twitch.tv/southfloridamagic Decks: Spoiler:
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02-19-2012, 08:30 AM	#479
Agent()()9 Just Getting Started Join Date: Feb 2012 Posts: 4	Hello all, I've been lurking for awhile; this is my first post. Has anyone tried Rune-Scarred Demon in this deck-type? A free Demonic Tutor with a black, 6/6 flyer would seem like a very powerful effect. I'm going to test it out when I can, but here are some immediate advantages I see: 1) Obvious card-advantage with a powerful tutor effect. 2) Super-flexible. If no protection/spot removal is in hand, it can be pulled upon resolution. 3) It is black, and immune to lots of black creature removal. 4) It is a respectable 6/6 with evasion. 5) Allows you to put some powerful one-of cards in your deck. Sideboard hate can be accessed more easily using this. 6) Tutor effect can be used every time it is reanimated (unless it is exiled, of course). 7) Synergy with Brainstorm. 8) Can actually be hard-cast in the late game (not that many games would actually play out that long). I love this card's incredible flexibility and potential because of the ability to pull whatever card you need for the current situation. Until I get my hands on Elesh, I'm also using Blazing Archon and/or Carnifex Demon in its place. I also like Carnifex for reasons #3, 4 and 8 above, as well as the fact that its counters stay in play after it dies. Sorry if my logic sounds noobish. I'm married and a dad with a full-time job, so I don't get much time to play. Last edited by Agent()()9; 02-19-2012 at 08:58 AM.
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02-14-2012, 02:04 PM	#466
Kevinliu Immortal One Join Date: May 2005 Location: Washington state Posts: 5,593 Blog Entries: 27	I like Sheoldred also in here. She is basically a 6/6 body that also has a reanimation ability on her so you can pretty much 2 for 1 your opponent all day when she hits and sticks past your upkeep phases.
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02-14-2012, 04:23 PM	#468
Kevinliu Immortal One Join Date: May 2005 Location: Washington state Posts: 5,593 Blog Entries: 27	Yeah, sometimes whenever I play Reanimator, I always like to throw some big fattie out there to see if my opponent will try to play around it or try to do something about it. I mean, if they want to kill Sheoldred with two burn spells I am good with that because that's two less burn spells going at my head. Baiting seems fine in that regard.
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02-16-2012, 04:27 AM	#473
Granvolley Just Getting Started Join Date: Feb 2012 Location: italy Posts: 24	For sure we can play reanimate and we don't lose life. I play 1 urborg to have mana from fetch. However i think to play it only in side
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02-18-2012, 05:00 PM	#478
HastyJace Just Getting Started Join Date: Nov 2011 Location: New Mexico Posts: 28	Platinum Emperion was interesting when I first saw it, but Swords to Plowshares is everywhere in this format. Reanimator needs its creatures to stick. What purpose does Emperion serve when you have Iona, Shield of Emeria,Sphinx of the Steel Wind, and Empyrial Archangel. Emperion just seems redundant. I have never tested Sheoldred, Whispering One, but I'm skeptical about her. Just like Iona she needs protection because most players are either trying to dodge a Jace or a swords depending the color you name. I could see her being good in the mirror, but in the mirrors I have played, I have dropped Iona on Black, and the game ends after that. Seems like Reanimator has taken a back seat lately, I hope it has a showing tomorrow in the SCG open.
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02-19-2012, 03:37 PM	#480
Kurts_rejoinder Ascended Mage Join Date: Jun 2010 Posts: 175	Hi, and welcome. IMHO the demon is only good if you can tutor for something that wins you the game on the spot. The demon is good in vintage Oath because it can fetch you Time Walk or Will, which make you win the game (almost) right there. Unless Legacy has something with the same power level, I'd say there are better reanimate targets than R-S Demon. Regarding your 3rd point, the black decks I've seen use either Smother or Diabolic Edict effects, when not splashing white or green for spot removal (from Swords to Plowshares to Maelstrom Pulse). This is just my opinion, but I'm not a tourney regular and obv I've not tested the demon in the deck either. Speaking of that, I've been toying a bit with the deck recently and wanted the regulars to provide some insight on what should work in the deck or not. - I've seen that the 'consensus' deck runs 17 lands. Don't you guys think this is too low? Wasteland can be a pain in the *ss with only 17 ... obviously not in all matches, because the curve is really low, but from time to time I've been stuck for many turns with just 1 basic. - Since Karakas usually breaks our back and Reliquaries are played here and there, don't you think that we should include MD hate? Like Wasteland or Pithing Needle? - I saw someone testing Faithless Looting some pages ago. Has anyone tested it in tournament play? Adding a splash contributes to make our manabase weaker, but it also gives a lot in return: 4 more study effects with 2 Faithless Looting, Red Elemental Blast / Pyroblast and efficient artifact hate just in case the cage gets played everywhere. - Other discard outlets: From time to time, I've seen some builds playing Turbulent Dreams. What do you guys think about Forbid, Recall or Insidious dreams?
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