[DECK] Nic Fit

[Loki Sukaido]

At the risk of sounding very sillly, is there a way this deck can be built with a more budget friendly mana base? I mean, I understand WHY the deck runs the mana base it does. I just want to know if it's possible.

[zathe922]

This deck runs fine with just about 4 duals, that sounds like quite a cheap manabase to me.
But i guess you can try to play the Ravnica shocklands if you cant afford duals.

[LSB]

Originally Posted by Loki Sukaido

At the risk of sounding very sillly, is there a way this deck can be built with a more budget friendly mana base? I mean, I understand WHY the deck runs the mana base it does. I just want to know if it's possible.

I would say the main reason why you wouldn't easily be able to replace all the lands with basics is because of Hymn to Tourach. You want to be able to have the double black.

At the same time, I don't believe the deck looses too much, because of Veteran Explorer and Green Sun's Zenith are great at fixing

[Loki Sukaido]

K, thanks. I'm going to try this with a littl bit of a budget set up, and upgrade as I go. Luckily, I pulled a PrimeTime the other day. One should be enough, right?

[SwordsToTimeshares]

In all my play with the white-splash version, I've never had color-screw issues. Eight fetches and Veteran Explorer ought to keep you well stocked with 3 colors easy. While some may not think as highly of Academy Rector as I do, there is no doubt in my mind that he works and the majority of the Nic Fit decks placing in Top 8s recently have the white splash for him and Sun Titan. Rector allows you to run a singleton Choke in the sideboard too, which is absolute murder against 70%+ of the Legacy field. Any enchantment that comes in is also itself uncounterable. Since the deck can have a tough time against combo, it helps to grab that singleton Rule of Law as well. And you want the white for Gaddock Teeg and also Qasali Pridemage, who is just straight up better than Wickerbough Elder.

[Loki Sukaido]

I think that the issue with the Pridemage is that after you use him to get rid of something, he's gone too. With the Elder, you pop something and have a 4/4 body to swing with. That, and if there ever is anything like infect to drop more -1/-1 on him, you can remove those counters for more hate, too.

[luklinda]

Originally Posted by Loki Sukaido

I think that the issue with the Pridemage is that after you use him to get rid of something, he's gone too. With the Elder, you pop something and have a 4/4 body to swing with. That, and if there ever is anything like infect to drop more -1/-1 on him, you can remove those counters for more hate, too.

Elder requires 5 mana to "pop" something but pridemage hits for three, and provides and exalted trigger while he's on the board. He's a much more efficient card.

[evilGod]

Qasali Pridemage is more mana-efficient, but Wickerbough Elder is a +1 in Card Advantage. Since this is very much a Rock deck, and you should be hitting 5 mana pretty easily, Elder gets the nod.

[Mofodaddy]

Originally Posted by evilGod

Qasali Pridemage is more mana-efficient, but Wickerbough Elder is a +1 in Card Advantage. Since this is very much a Rock deck, and you should be hitting 5 mana pretty easily, Elder gets the nod.

and if hes brought back with recurring nightmare he can be used to keep the chain going

[SwordsToTimeshares]

Originally Posted by Mofodaddy

and if hes brought back with recurring nightmare he can be used to keep the chain going

Exactly right. It's better to have creatures in your graveyard anyway, and Pridemage comes down by Turn 2 with enough mana to activate right away in more scenarios than Elder. But you do want to keep a balanced curve for Birthing Pod nonetheless. The curve that seems to generally be the most reliable that I've found is approximately:

1-Drops = 3 spots (just Explorer)
2-Drops = 4 spots
3-Drops = 5 spots
4-Drops = 4 spots
5-Drops = 2 spots
6-Drops = 2 spots

Even if you don't run Birthing Pod, it helps to have both a proportional number of easy-to-cast creatures for the beginning as well as enough muscle in single cards for late-game.

[Bread Connoisseur]

Well it depends on whether you run pod, how many wickerbough's you run (note: most people run a singleton as a GSZ target) so it essentially costs 6 mana to get a 4/4 and blow up an artifact/enchantment. This archetype is as customizable as The Rock, in a way this is essentially just a different version of rock built to abuse veteran explorer. I absolutely love this deck type though, I'm going to try out a GBW version with sun titan and co. to see how it goes. First I have to assemble this deck first though lol lots of unorthodox cards are in these decklists.

[pota_guitar]

I don't want to stray too far from the original idea of the deck, but while looking at Caleb's list, I began to brew a spin-off of the deck.

- Uses unearth + eternal witness for it's recursion engine.
- Takes advantage of the many sac outlets (phyrexian tower, cabal therapy) as well as your own removal (GftT, Deed, Pulse) to play Percy, who is an extremely efficient beater.
- Green Sun's Zenith pulls bullets out of our deck, which can be used repeatedly through Witness and Unearth.

Deck
///Creatures (17) 4x Veteran Explorer 3x Abyssal Persecutor 3x Eternal Witness 2x Kitchen Finks 2x Wall of Blossoms 1x Deranged Hermit 1x Scavenging Ooze 1x Viridian Zealot ///Spells (22) 4x Cabal Therapy 4x Hymn to Tourach 3x Green Sun's Zenith 3x Pernicious Deed 2x Maelstrom Pulse 2x Unearth 2x Sensei's Divining Top 2x Go for the Throat	///Land(21) 4x Forest 4x Bayou 4x Verdant Catacombs 4x Swamp 3x Windswept Heath 1x Phyrexian Tower 1x Dryad Arbor

Planning on playtesting this deck against several major legacy archetypes to see how it stacks up. I will let everybody know the results.

Does anybody have any ideas on how to improve the creature base? It doesn't feel like deranged hermit is doing it for me. I do feel like I need a beater to grab with GSZ though.

[Sparki]

Originally Posted by pota_guitar

I don't want to stray too far from the original idea of the deck, but while looking at Caleb's list, I began to brew a spin-off of the deck.

- Uses unearth + eternal witness for it's recursion engine.
- Takes advantage of the many sac outlets (phyrexian tower, cabal therapy) as well as your own removal (GftT, Deed, Pulse) to play Percy, who is an extremely efficient beater.
- Green Sun's Zenith pulls bullets out of our deck, which can be used repeatedly through Witness and Unearth.


Planning on playtesting this deck against several major legacy archetypes to see how it stacks up. I will let everybody know the results.

Does anybody have any ideas on how to improve the creature base? It doesn't feel like deranged hermit is doing it for me. I do feel like I need a beater to grab with GSZ though.

How about Thrun?

[Alfiriel]

I was at a tournament not long ago with pox and there was an asian guy playing this against reanimator...my match was over pretty fast ...so I watched it and it looked so random first ... than he pops maindeck ooze and I was like..wtf... and than...man that looks seriously cool ... gonna try it ^^

[dondee]

Originally Posted by SwordsToTimeshares

My current list:


Let the discussion for Nic Fit begin.

This deck is approved for Established subsection (12/19/2011) -Warden

did anyone aver consider carrion feeder + melira as an addition to the list, with that you can combo out with infinite life plus a biggie creature.. what do you think? may I propose cutting:

-1 Bone shredder
-1 eternal witness
-1 cabal therapy (since this is a distruption card, it may not be of use in late game, so may I suggest cutting a singleton? but again, its just an opinion.)

+2 carrion feeder
+1 Melira, Sylvok outcast

adding up a combo in deck that stalls an opponent may give you more options in winning.