I've looked around at various threads in the Standard subforums and this deck I put together yesterday doesn't seem to fit well in any of the threads. It's a little bit of UW Humans, GW Tokens, UW Control, WW, etc. Anyway, the current deck list:
I haven't come up with a sideboard yet, but against control I'll probably replace Day of Judgment with more small creatures. I'm thinking Snapcaster Mage or maybe even Accorder Paladin. I'm really not sure yet. Witchbane Orb will also likely get a sideboard slot.
In the few games I've tested this deck, it's performed surprisingly well. Any and all input is appreciated.
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Griselbrand is pretty straightforward (in the same way that a nuclear holocaust is straightforward); just draw some cards, beat some face, bathe in the blood of some innocent, and repeat.
I would suggest elspeth over gideon for this deck and hero of bladehold. Beast within would be good since you're in G anyways and since you're mostly tokens, I suggest intangible virtue
Moorland Haunt is kind of silly with only 8 creatures.
I can see that for sure, but I figured if I am able to use it, it's a little extra value. In the testing I've done so far it hasn't caused mana problems, but certainly if it does I'd cut it.
I've got to disagree that Talisman is pointless. That extra life can really add up. I might side in a 4th Shrine against control, but otherwise 3 has been enough. I played a GW token deck for a while and usually found 3 Shrines sufficient.
I've never been a big fan of Elspeth. She just doesn't have enough of an immediate impact for my taste, and she's too vulnerable. I might try her as a 1-of though.
Here's another one I have to disagree with. With 2 mana I'd rather play a Shrine. Intangible Virtue can be amazing, but I certainly wouldn't cut Gideon and 2 WSZ for it. Gideon has been phenomenal for me, and I think he's highly underrated. WSZ is a great way to put a small army on the board at instant-speed. I could see going down to 2 WSZ, but going down to 1 is too few in my experience. Intangible Virtue is great and all but I don't see it replacing Gideon and 2 WSZ.
This I definitely might try. I like that Crusader costs 1 less to cast because I want to tap out as little as possible on my turn. Hero is certainly a bomb though. I'll try running Hero, and maybe even a 2/2 split of them as well, and see how it goes.
-2 Negate
+2 Mana Leak (if you really like these numbers you could probably keep it)
My thinking here was that I'm mainly going to use my counter spells against opposing counter spells or board sweepers, and Negate at least doesn't give them the out of paying the 3 mana. This is another thing I'll experiment with though.
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...this is EDH. If you aren't trying to kill someone in the most ridiculous manner possible, you're doing it wrong.
EDH: Go Crazy or Go back to Standard.
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Griselbrand is pretty straightforward (in the same way that a nuclear holocaust is straightforward); just draw some cards, beat some face, bathe in the blood of some innocent, and repeat.
Don't try 1 of's and 2/2 splits as that is very noobish, especially when you don't have very much card draw/ digging capabilities to find those cards. White sun's zenith recycles it's self meaning that multiple copies will get redundant and the fact that you don't have any ramp means that they will probably be dead cards often. Elspeth gives you tokens to get pumped and would be more synergistic as it's been stated.
Elspeth gives you tokens to get pumped and would be more synergistic as it's been stated.
I'm still not seeing it, though. Elspeth is more synergistic IF the deck is changed into more of a traditional Township tokens deck. That's not the way I think this deck should go. Yeah, there are a lot of token producers in the deck now, but that's because things like Midnight Haunting and WSZ can be cast at instant speed. Shrine is an investment of only 2 mana that pays off when it gets popped at the end of the opponent's turn further down the line.
If you can, test out the deck in the form I posted. Playing it for yourself may better illustrate what it can do than I'm able to articulate.
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...this is EDH. If you aren't trying to kill someone in the most ridiculous manner possible, you're doing it wrong.
EDH: Go Crazy or Go back to Standard.
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Griselbrand is pretty straightforward (in the same way that a nuclear holocaust is straightforward); just draw some cards, beat some face, bathe in the blood of some innocent, and repeat.
Don't try 1 of's and 2/2 splits as that is very noobish
Whatever you do, please do not listen to this.
Just look at top 8 decklists from any major event and you'll find many decks running silver-bullet singletons and 2/2 splits that have no ways of digging at all. I would concur that a deck shouldn't be filled with singles and 2-ofs if you have no searching or digging effects, but running a singleton Elspeth in a deck like this hardly qualifies as "noobish".. One just needs to be very selective of which cards to run lower counts of, factoring in the probability of how often those cards will be seen and how likely they are to be useful later in the game (when they'll probably get drawn).
@heathen - I would at the very least suggest maindeck Heros and sideboard Crusaders. This keeps the more situational card out of the maindeck. The only thing I really disagree on is the miser Pristine Talisman. As explained earlier, I'm not against singletons of silver-bullets/bombs. This card does nothing for your strategy. You will hardly ever draw it, and the matches where you want to be gaining life will be over far too quick to get this thing online and gain a realistcally useful amount of life anyways. I would strongly recommend removing this and 1 WSZ in place of 2x Elspeth Tirel.
Thanks Funeral, I will try it out and see how it goes, especially with Hero in place of Crusader.
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...this is EDH. If you aren't trying to kill someone in the most ridiculous manner possible, you're doing it wrong.
EDH: Go Crazy or Go back to Standard.
Quote from Cassidy Silver »
Griselbrand is pretty straightforward (in the same way that a nuclear holocaust is straightforward); just draw some cards, beat some face, bathe in the blood of some innocent, and repeat.
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3 Gavony Township
4 Glacial Fortress
1 Island
2 Moorland Haunt
6 Plains
2 Razorverge Thicket
4 Seachrome Coast
3 Sunpetal Grove
4 Doomed Traveler
4 Mirran Crusader
Planeswalker
2 Gideon Jura
Artifact
3 Shrine of Loyal Legions
1 Pristine Talisman
Other Spells
3 Gitaxian Probe
2 Mana Leak
3 Negate
4 Midnight Haunting
3 Oblivion Ring
3 White Sun's Zenith
3 Day of Judgment
I haven't come up with a sideboard yet, but against control I'll probably replace Day of Judgment with more small creatures. I'm thinking Snapcaster Mage or maybe even Accorder Paladin. I'm really not sure yet. Witchbane Orb will also likely get a sideboard slot.
In the few games I've tested this deck, it's performed surprisingly well. Any and all input is appreciated.
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Death's Shadow Jund
Played:
Kiki Chord, Zoo variants, Goblins, Burn
I would suggest:
-1 Pristine Talisman (pointless)
+1 Shrine of Loyal Legions
-3 Gitaxian Probe
+3 Elspeth Tirel (much better than gideon)
-2 Gideon Jura
-2 White Sun's Zenith (you don't need 3)
+4 Intangible Virtue
-4 Mirran Crusader
+4 Hero of Bladehold (better synergy with the deck)
-2 Moorland Haunt (you could keep 1 if you really want, but no more than that)
+1 Gavony Township
+1 Forest
-2 Negate
+2 Mana Leak (if you really like these numbers you could probably keep it)
I've bolded the crucial changes I think are needed. The non-bold suggestions are more of a matter of preference.
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I can see that for sure, but I figured if I am able to use it, it's a little extra value. In the testing I've done so far it hasn't caused mana problems, but certainly if it does I'd cut it.
I've got to disagree that Talisman is pointless. That extra life can really add up. I might side in a 4th Shrine against control, but otherwise 3 has been enough. I played a GW token deck for a while and usually found 3 Shrines sufficient.
I've never been a big fan of Elspeth. She just doesn't have enough of an immediate impact for my taste, and she's too vulnerable. I might try her as a 1-of though.
Here's another one I have to disagree with. With 2 mana I'd rather play a Shrine. Intangible Virtue can be amazing, but I certainly wouldn't cut Gideon and 2 WSZ for it. Gideon has been phenomenal for me, and I think he's highly underrated. WSZ is a great way to put a small army on the board at instant-speed. I could see going down to 2 WSZ, but going down to 1 is too few in my experience. Intangible Virtue is great and all but I don't see it replacing Gideon and 2 WSZ.
This I definitely might try. I like that Crusader costs 1 less to cast because I want to tap out as little as possible on my turn. Hero is certainly a bomb though. I'll try running Hero, and maybe even a 2/2 split of them as well, and see how it goes.
I will try this too.
My thinking here was that I'm mainly going to use my counter spells against opposing counter spells or board sweepers, and Negate at least doesn't give them the out of paying the 3 mana. This is another thing I'll experiment with though.
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Playing:
Death's Shadow Jund
Played:
Kiki Chord, Zoo variants, Goblins, Burn
I'm still not seeing it, though. Elspeth is more synergistic IF the deck is changed into more of a traditional Township tokens deck. That's not the way I think this deck should go. Yeah, there are a lot of token producers in the deck now, but that's because things like Midnight Haunting and WSZ can be cast at instant speed. Shrine is an investment of only 2 mana that pays off when it gets popped at the end of the opponent's turn further down the line.
If you can, test out the deck in the form I posted. Playing it for yourself may better illustrate what it can do than I'm able to articulate.
Whatever you do, please do not listen to this.
Just look at top 8 decklists from any major event and you'll find many decks running silver-bullet singletons and 2/2 splits that have no ways of digging at all. I would concur that a deck shouldn't be filled with singles and 2-ofs if you have no searching or digging effects, but running a singleton Elspeth in a deck like this hardly qualifies as "noobish".. One just needs to be very selective of which cards to run lower counts of, factoring in the probability of how often those cards will be seen and how likely they are to be useful later in the game (when they'll probably get drawn).
@heathen - I would at the very least suggest maindeck Heros and sideboard Crusaders. This keeps the more situational card out of the maindeck. The only thing I really disagree on is the miser Pristine Talisman. As explained earlier, I'm not against singletons of silver-bullets/bombs. This card does nothing for your strategy. You will hardly ever draw it, and the matches where you want to be gaining life will be over far too quick to get this thing online and gain a realistcally useful amount of life anyways. I would strongly recommend removing this and 1 WSZ in place of 2x Elspeth Tirel.
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