The Official Console Wars Thread

[Sepiriel]

Amazon Linked to the PSN Attack

And this is exactly why M$ would want nothing to do with the whole thing.... you almost gotta pity Amazon

[metalhead123]

apparently Sony will be doing a regional restart of PSN

[That1guy34]

Originally Posted by Sepiriel

Amazon Linked to the PSN Attack

And this is exactly why M$ would want nothing to do with the whole thing.... you almost gotta pity Amazon

Bill Gates made millions by stealing windows from apple and getting away with it. This is not out of the realm. As far as him giving away his fortune it's a stunt or he feels guilty for being a d-bag all these years. I'm guessing the former. I've never said he did it I'm just saying he's more than capable and with his bank account he can cover this tracks.

[Sepiriel]

Originally Posted by That1guy34

Bill Gates made millions by stealing windows from apple and getting away with it.

False Analogy, the fact is Bill Gates LEGALLY 'stole' (accurate term is acquired) windows from Apple (I am working under the assumption this statement is true i have no real proof nor research to validate the claim either way), is completely different from the fact a Hacker ILLEGALLY entered the PSN network and possibly made off with 10 million CC Numbers.

This is not out of the realm.

Supposition as well as slander, you have no proof to this, nor are you presenting any facts to prove your claim, I actually dont like M$ but gods i am not about to let conspiracy theories define this event.

As far as him giving away his fortune it's a stunt or he feels guilty for being a d-bag all these years. I'm guessing the former.

I can agree with the notion that the charity is a form of appeasing his conscience in some level however as in regards to what is something completely different, also abusive ad hominem.

I've never said he did it I'm just saying he's more than capable and with his bank account he can cover this tracks.

I believe this is a case of Contradictory Premises.

Finally you are quoting me but did not really bother to understand the context of my post.

[Howler13]

Originally Posted by Sepiriel

Amazon Linked to the PSN Attack

And this is exactly why M$ would want nothing to do with the whole thing.... you almost gotta pity Amazon

I DO pity Amazon. This is yet another case where a service meant for good has (or may have?) been used for ill. They took the server down as soon as there was evidence it may have been involved in the attack; provided they assist in tracking down whoever used it, I see no backlash against Amazon, they're victims like Sony.

Originally Posted by Sepiriel

I actually dont like M$ but gods i am not about to let conspiracy theories define this event.

That pretty much sums up my feelings on them. You can dislike, or even hate, someone and not automatically assume the worst in them. As much as I don't like Microsoft, I would need to be faced with a lot of very substantial evidence before I start to believe they would have anything to do with this.

[That1guy34]

Originally Posted by Sepiriel

Supposition as well as slander, you have no proof to this, nor are you presenting any facts to prove your claim

Do you have proof or presenting any facts that he didn't do it? No, then we're at a standoff here. Looks like we're going to agree to disagree here.

Finally you are quoting me but did not really bother to understand the context of my post.

I can say the same about you. You're assuming that I said Billionare Bill did it. Not true, I'm saying he's a d-bag whose more than capable. You don't get to be the richest man on the planet by playing nice. Machiavellianism at it's finest. With all that being said we're cool on my end.
As far as Amazon it does suck, but how can a million dollar company not do a check to see if the company is legit.

[Sepiriel]

Originally Posted by Howler13

I DO pity Amazon. This is yet another case where a service meant for good has (or may have?) been used for ill. They took the server down as soon as there was evidence it may have been involved in the attack; provided they assist in tracking down whoever used it, I see no backlash against Amazon, they're victims like Sony.

Agreed.

Originally Posted by That1guy34

Do you have proof or presenting any facts that he didn't do it? No, then we're at a standoff here. Looks like we're going to agree to disagree here.

No we do not, this is a Fallacy called Ignoratio Elenchi, in simple terms you are trying to validate your point by throwing the responsibility of proof to me and immediately assuming i have no said proof ergo your point is valid.

I can say the same about you.

Not really no, i took my time reading and understanding your stance, you latched unto the "this is why M$ doesnt want anything to do with it" line and went home with it irregardless of the rest of my context.

You're assuming that I said Billionare Bill did it. Not true, I'm saying he's a d-bag whose more than capable.

No i am saying your stance is very pro-"M$ is likely the one who perpetrated the attack" and that in itself is fallacious since there is no proof as of the moment to validate such claim, when asked to validate you perform an Argumentum ad Misericordiam, or an Appeal to Emotion by linking all this negative traits of M$ founder as proof of his possible and very likely involvement (and while i do agree that such traits ARE present in Bill Gates to then leap and say those are also the reasons why he most likely did it is false)

You don't get to be the richest man on the planet by playing nice.

Regardless of your personal opinion on Bill Gates until proven that there is a connection to him any further mention is no better than conspiracy theories, paranoia and slander.

With all that being said we're cool on my end.

Same here, my only problem is your use of fallacies to sustain your argument but other than that we are cool.

As far as Amazon it does suck, but how can a million dollar company not do a check to see if the company is legit.

considering the level of sophistication and skill used to hack the PSN, it is not outside the realm of possibility that they could also be skilled enough to produce enough false company information to satisfy Amazon's verification protocol (this is just speculation on my part tho)

[That1guy34]

Originally Posted by Sepiriel

considering the level of sophistication and skill used to hack the PSN, it is not outside the realm of possibility that they could also be skilled enough to produce enough false company information to satisfy Amazon's verification protocol (this is just speculation on my part tho)

A call to the Better Business Breau would maybe slove this (like you I'm just speculation, but it dose hurt to cover your bases). I do feel bad for Amazon, I use them a lot.

If I had proof that Billonare Bill did it i would rat him out to the FBI in a heart beat, and we wouldn't be having this conversation. Which by now if he did do it the evidence would be wiped away. He's not stupid, and a moot point by now since PSN is back on .

[Monopoman]

The burden of proof is on the accuser.

If proof worked the way you think it did That1guy I could throw a murder charge on you in a case where you may have done it because you had the opportunity.

A defendant does not have to prove that he/she did not kill person xyz. They only want to try to prove they didn't do it if the prosecution has a case against them.

This is how the burden of proof is always done.

(Sarcasm)For all I know you could be a bank robber I mean prove your not!(/sarcasm)

What type of a guy person xyz is is 100% irrelevant.

[That1guy34]

Originally Posted by Monopoman

The burden of proof is on the accuser.
A defendant does not have to prove that he/she did not kill person xyz. They only want to try to prove they didn't do it if the prosecution has a case against them.

This is how the burden of proof is always done.

(Sarcasm)For all I know you could be a bank robber I mean prove your not!(/sarcasm)

What type of a guy person xyz is is 100% irrelevant.

I was talking about video taped conversation for example. That kind of proof that's solid beyond of a shadow of a doubt. A good indicatior of what someone is going to do in the future is look at their past actions. Not 100% accurate, but a good measuring stick.
Burden of proof dosen't always work that way. Remember the OJ Simspon trail in the mid to late 90's?

[Axelrod]

Okay, so, no posts in this thread in quite a while.

PS3 or XBox360. I might be getting one or the other. Which is better. I only have a Wii. Zelda games are my favorite.

Go.

[Zith]

Do you care about online gaming, and are you willing to pay for a subscription?
Do you care about the ability to watch Blu-Ray discs with your console?
Do you care about the few exclusive titles on either end?

[Nai]

Zith basically has it on the head.

Other important things:

Do you have friends with either console?
Do you intend to talk to them?
Are you going to play games with them, or will you all play your own thing?
Would you like Cable with that?
Do you care about really good graphics on some games, or pretty good graphics on all games?
Do you think it's more ergonomic to have a D-pad under your thumb, or a control stick?
Do you care about movement controls?
Are you more a 'twitch reflex' gamer, or a 'think about what I'm doing' gamer?

[Axelrod]

Originally Posted by Zith

Do you care about online gaming, and are you willing to pay for a subscription?
Do you care about the ability to watch Blu-Ray discs with your console?
Do you care about the few exclusive titles on either end?

1. Don't know. Never had it (the Wii stuff never worked). I was hoping someone could tell me if it's worth it and what in particular is worth it.
2. I know the PS3 has this. It's nice, but not essential. I already have a Blu-Ray player.
3. I don't know what these are either. So, maybe?

Originally Posted by Nai

Zith basically has it on the head.

Other important things:

Do you have friends with either console?

I think this is a push.

Originally Posted by Nai

Do you intend to talk to them?

Possibly. But this is not the main reason to get the console. Most gaming will likely not be multi-player online stuff.

Originally Posted by Nai

Are you going to play games with them, or will you all play your own thing?

See above.

Originally Posted by Nai

Would you like Cable with that?

What? I have cable TV if that's what you mean.

Originally Posted by Nai

Do you care about really good graphics on some games, or pretty good graphics on all games?

No.

Originally Posted by Nai

Do you think it's more ergonomic to have a D-pad under your thumb, or a control stick?

Don't think I care.

Originally Posted by Nai

Do you care about movement controls?

Nope.

Originally Posted by Nai

Are you more a 'twitch reflex' gamer, or a 'think about what I'm doing' gamer?

Like both. Probably "more" a think about it gamer.

[AssassinNinja4827]

Originally Posted by Axelrod

Okay, so, no posts in this thread in quite a while.

PS3 or XBox360. I might be getting one or the other. Which is better. I only have a Wii. Zelda games are my favorite.

Go.

For the time being I'd stick to the Wii; the new Zelda has just been released and I read that it's supposed to be the best of the series

And it does not really matter. The PS3 is graphically a little better, the XBOX has more unique releases and kinect. Both have a good online modus. And both get the bigger titles.

But if your TV is quite good (which I think it is since you have a Blue-ray player) maybe the better graphics of the PS3 are most relevant.