9/23/12
- Primeval Titan BANNED!
+ Graveborn Muse Card draw is supreme!
- Terastodon I was never really happy to pull him, went with a more recurable removal
+Ratchet Bomb Targeted artifact mass removal, I like it!
EDIT: Updated my list, for my own use, any input is welcome!
Not sure what the end goal of the token generators are, but there are some strong things that can be done with them like helm of possession,contamination and diabolic intent to name a few. I think you would get more mileage out of wayfarer's bauble than a sorcery ramp spell. Memory jar would probably be good here also.
As soon as I can get my hands on one I'll be putting tooth and nail in! Just haven't found one for trade yet and I'm reluctant to buy it st this point in time. I might eventually but one because all three of my generals have access to green!
Im thinking of putting in Defense of the Heart in, what do you guys think? Im not sure how long it will last if my opponents have enough creatures to give me the trigger, but if I get to resolve the trigger it act as an entwined tooth and nail. Thoughts?
Defense is good. I use it in most of my green decks, partly because I don't have T&N but also it has been known to waste my opponents tutors and removal. It's a must answer card so if they can they will. And if they don't, in your case, you win. In my case I just get what I need to wreck them. (=
Im thinking of cutting steel hellkite for Defense of the Heart. Do you see something else that might be a more fitting cut? I'd really love to get my hand on a tooth and nail, all three of my decks would do bad, bad things with access to it!
Is Melira in here just for Woodfall Primus or is there a Skittles deck running around your meta. If the former is the case, I'd cut it for Defense. It seems a bit too narrow to earn a spot in that case.
@reddeckalwayswins: I'll have to try to get my hands on a birthing pod I guess it would be really good, espically if i can get more recursion from the graveyard for non-artifact creatures. Thanks for the suggestion. I will also have to take a better look at my CMC to make sure I'd be able to use the pod to its fullest extent.
@iandowdy: She's in the deck for woodfall primus and ,if i can get one eventually, Puppeteer Clique. There are also a few decks in my group that run Skittles, Mimeoplasm is the only one that i've seen constantly use it but not often enough for me to use Melira, Sylvok Outcast to combat it. I was hopping to set up a combo with her, a sac outlet and woodfall primus to act as a one-sided board wipe. I could see cutting her, at least at this point until I am able to execute this plan.
I've added some changed listed above.
Put in 3 sac outlets to help fuel my grave pact effects, and abuse undying and persist. However I'm 5 cards over the limit and I need help trimming the list. The last cuts are always the hardest! PLEASE HELP! Thanks =)!
The most I usually get out of liliana vess unless I get her out early, is one or two tutors effects. I could see cutting her.
I have increasing ambition in here because it a recoverable tutor, and later in the game if i flash it back i get two things! I haven't tested it out yet, but I think i'd be happy with it.
I do have a lot of fatties, I try to make most of them have some impact on the game when they enter or work with either Glissa or some other card in my deck. I could probably afford to cut a few, but I not sure who! I do intend on making darksteel colossus a blightsteel colossus when i get one, or maybe I could run Ulamog, the Infinite Gyre. Im not sure which huge beast with a shuffle effect i'd like to run. Now that I think about it, I might just put Ulamog in now instead of Darksteel.
I havn't looked into making a deck based around persist/undying, but I just thought it would catch my opponents off guard the first few times I played it. It might just completely fail. I thought it would work well with Glissa though because if im recurring removal and my opponents are losing creatures then I can keep the board managed in a way that I like it, and maybe get a few of my artifacts back while i'm at it.
I dont wan't to go all out combo with this deck, but some of my friends do play things that this particular build can't compete with, so I wanted a way get around that and still maybe pull out a win!
and im not sure how often im going to try to win with general damage, but possibly Nemesis Mask I love lure on equipment, but im running 3 mass removal spells artifacts, and im most likely going to want to recur Wormcoil Engine and Steel Hellkite over Nemesis Mask, my meta has a few aggro decks, but more often than than not the board inst totally overwhelmed with dudes.
Exsanguinate is in my list i forgot to type it in!Doh, now i need to find another card to cut! yea i can see cuttign the other two cards you mentioned. Thanks!
And added Exsanguinate back in because I forgot to list it. Also dropped Terramorphic expanse and evolving wilds, will add in a basic land (TBD) and Tainted wood. Im going to keep the cycle lands, just in case I draw them later on when I'd rather not top deck a land, ill have to see how they play out.
Worldly Tutor ( i have "better" tutors, aka tutors with more impact when they are cast)
and Nemesis Mask ( glissa will play the role of an engine more than a beater in this deck, so lure equipment isn't super relevant)
Todays Constants are: Graveborn Muse - This is the one im leaning towards the most, because I love card draw! (I should play that UGB chick!) She also adds another body to my "4-drops" part of the chain.
Harvester of Souls - Death touch and card draw when things die, not a terrible card, same CMC as Prime Time and a decent 5/5 body.
Dark Imposter - I've been wanting to use this guy since I opened him at the AVR pre-release. Im not sure how well he fit's in with the deck, but he's just sooo cool!
Harmonize - Straight up card draw? Sounds good, but I dont run E Wit in this deck so its not a super awesome as it could be, I'd probably try to find a land specific tutor over this.
Squall Line - Self destruct button? Maybe I could throw this in as another use for a mana dump, "If i'm gonna die, ill take you with me!"
Black sun's Zenith - Won the fancy full art promo, havn't used it since. There are a few sigarda, host of herons decks popping up in my meta, maybe this will be an answer for them?
Ratchet Bomb - A targeted removal ability that I can recur? Sure its not a total board wipe, but if im going v.s. tokens.dec I can slap this baby down and keep um' in check.
I think my top 3 are Graveborn muse, Ratchet bomb and Black Sun's Zenith.
What is it you want to kill with BSZ that Stone or Disk won't kill? My preference is Ratchet Bomb, that works wonders against token decks. Engineered Explosives would be even better.
Oh, there is nothing that disk and o stone wont hit, its just that both sigarda decks in my group are primarily voltron with a sub theme of tokens or ETB. Its hard to race that sometimes, so having Black Sun's Zenith i'd just have one more "board wipe," However I think it would be pretty useless unless I have 7+ mana out to deal with sigarda.
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1 Glissa, the Traitor
Creatures (26)
1 Triskelion
1 Steel Hellkite
1 Blightsteel Colossus
1 Solemn Simulacrum
1 Sylvok Replica
1 Duplicant
1 Wurmcoil Engine
1 Avatar of Woe
1 Entomber Exarch
1 Bloodgift Demon
1 Rune-Scarred Dempn
1 Fierce Empath
1 Viridian Emissary
1 Oracle of Mul Daya
1 Puppeteer Clique
1 Grave Titan
1 Graveborn Muse
1 Braids, Cabal Minion
1 Acidic Slime
1 Sheoldred, Whispering One
1 Vorinclex, Voice of Hunger
1 Nezumi Graverobber
1 Sakura-Tribe Elder
1 Woodfall Primus
1 Butcher of Malakir
1 Mikaeus, the Unhallowed
Artifacts (17)
1 Ratchet Bomb
1 Mana Vault
1 Sol Ring
1 Ashnod's Altar
1 Birthing Pod
1 Dreamstone Hedron
1 Executioner's Capsule
1 Expedition Map
1 Gilded Lotus
1 Horizon Spellbomb
1 Mimic Vat
1 Mindslaver
1 Nevinyrral's Disk
1 Nihil Spellbomb
1 Oblivion Stone
1 Plague Boiler
1 Staff of Nin
1 Darksteel Plate
1 Nim Deathmantle
1 Swiftfoot Boots
1 Sword of Feast and Famine
1 Sword of War and Peace
1 Thornbite Staff
Enchantments (4)
1 Defense of the Heart
1 Grave Pact
1 Phyrexian Arena
1 Sylvan Library
Instants (2)
1 Beast Within
1 Chord of Calling
Sorceries (8)
1 Kodama's Reach
1 Cultivate
1 Demonic Tutor
1 Explosive Vegetation
1 Exsanguinate
1 Genesis Wave
1 Increasing Ambition
1 Tooth and Nail
LANDS (36)
1 Tree of Tales
1 Vault of Whispers
1 Command Tower
1 Bojuka Bog
1 Cabal Coffers
1 Forbidden Orchard
1 Gilt-Leaf Palace
1 Maze of Ith
1 Homeward Path
1 Llanowar Wastes
1 Mosswort Bridge
1 Mystifying Maze
1 Strip Mine
1 Tainted Wood
1 Tectonic Edge
1 High Market
1 Urborg, Tomb of Yawgmoth
1 Verdant Catacombs
1 Vesuva
1 Yavimaya hollow
8 Swamp
8 Forest
DECK STATS
1st List:
3 Glissa, the Traitor
Creatures (27)
2 Nezumi Graverobber
2 Sakura-Tribe Elder
2 Viridian Emissary
3 Sylvok Replica
3 Fierce Empath
4 Entomber Exarch
4 Solemn Simulacrum
4 Oracle of Mul Daya
5 Bloodgift Demon
5 Acidic Slime
5 Puppeteer Clique
6 Primeval Titan
6 Mikaeus, the Unhallowed
6 Steel Hellkite
6 Triskelion
6 Wurmcoil Engine
6 Grave Titan
6 Duplicant
7 Pentavus
7 Sheoldred, Whispering One
7 Rune-Scarred Demon
7 Butcher of Malakir
8 Woodfall Primus
8 Terastodon
8 Vorinclex, Voice of Hunger
8 Avatar of Woe
11 Ulamog, the Infinite Gyre
1 Executioner's Capsule
1 Nihil Spellbomb
1 Mana Vault
1 Sol Ring
1 Horizon Spellbomb
1 Expedition Map
2 Altar of Dementia
3 Ashnod's Altar
3 Plague Boiler
3 Oblivion Stone
3 Mimic Vat
4 Birthing Pod
4 Nevinyrral's Disk
5 Gilded Lotus
6 Dreamstone Hedron
6 Mindslaver
Equipment (6)
2 Swiftfoot Boots
2 Nim Deathmantle
2 Thornbite Staff
3 Sword of Feast and Famine
3 Sword of War and Peace
3 Darksteel Plate
Enchantments (4)
2 Sylvan Library
3 Phyrexian Arena
4 Defense of the Heart
4 Grave Pact
Sorceries (8)
2 Demonic Tutor
3 Exsanguinate
3 Cultivate
3 Kodama's Reach
4 Genesis Wave
4 Explosive Vegetation
5 Increasing Ambition
7 Tooth and Nail
4 Chord of Calling
Lands (37)
0 Barren Moor
0 Bojuka Bog
0 Cabal Coffers
0 Command Tower
0 Forbidden Orchard
0 Forest (x9)
0 Gilt-Leaf Palace
0 Golgari Rot Farm
0 Homeward Path
0 Llanowar Wastes
0 Mosswort Bridge
0 Mystifying Maze
0 Reliquary Tower
0 Strip Mine
0 Swamp (x 8)
0 Tainted Wood
0 Tranquil Thicket
0 Tree of Tales
0 Urborg, Tomb of Yawgmoth
0 Vault of Whispers
0 Vesuva
0 Yavimaya Hollow
Birthing Pod Chain:
1 Sakura-Tribe Elder
1 Nezumi Graverobber
1 Viridian Emissary
"3-Drops" (3)
1 Glissa, the Traitor
1 Sylvok Replica
1 Fierce Empath
"4-Drops" (4)
1 Solemn Simulacrum
1 Braids, Cabal Minion
1 Oracle of Mul Daya
1 Entomber Exarch
1 Bloodgift Demon
1 Acidic Slime
1 Puppeteer Clique
"6-Drops" (7)
1 Duplicant
1 Steel Hellkite
1 Triskelion
1 Wurmcoil Engine
1 Mikaeus, the Unhallowed
1 Primeval Titan
1 Grave Titan
1 Butcher of Malakir
1 Sheoldred, Whispering One
1 Rune-Scarred Demon
"8-Drops" (4)
1 Woodfall Primus
1 Vorinclex, Voice of Hunger
1 Terastodon
1 Avatar of Woe
Here are a few win conditions I have, nothing super orginal:
Mikaeus, the Unhallowed + Triskelion = infinite pinging
Option 2:
Cast Exsanguinate or Genesis Wave for a ton and that usually results in a victory.
Option 3: Glissa, the Traitor + Mindslaver + Forbidden Orchard = Gain control of target opponent's turn.
Option 4:
General damage or damage from my dudes if all else fails.
Please give me any input you have! Thanks!
Change Log
2/26/12
-Diabolic Tutor
+Increasing Ambition Cost one more colorless, has flashback.
3/2/12
-Darksteel Colossus
+Ulamog, the Infinite Gyre
9/19/12
Updated Deck List
Re-Formatted Post
9/23/12
- Primeval Titan BANNED!
+ Graveborn Muse Card draw is supreme!
- Terastodon I was never really happy to pull him, went with a more recurable removal
+Ratchet Bomb Targeted artifact mass removal, I like it!
EDIT: Updated my list, for my own use, any input is welcome!
Thank You Rivenor/Miraculous Recovery Studios!
GGGSKamahl's Band of Monstosities SGGG
RRRSFreaki-Kiki, The Goblin DoucheSRRR
BBGGNath, Raper of Hands and Spewer of Tokens!GGBB
BUGDamia, Sage of AnswersBUG
WIPs
BBBXiahou Dun, the Bitter Stax Enabling BastardBBB
On Break
BBBSKagemaro, First to RetireSBBB
BBBThe Walking DeadBBB
UUUSTeferi Combo PrimerSUUU
I might also try to find Altar of Dementia and/or Ashnod's Altar as other sac outlets.
n0 c0mb0z Sharuum:symw::symu::symb:
Seton Druid Party:symg:
Drana Big Mana Black
Baru Landfall:symg:
Venser:symu:
Animar tempo:symu::symr::symg: (Retired)Azami, Lady of Card Advantage(Retired =[ )n0 c0mb0z Sharuum:symw::symu::symb:
Seton Druid Party:symg:
Drana Big Mana Black
Baru Landfall:symg:
Venser:symu:
Animar tempo:symu::symr::symg: (Retired)Azami, Lady of Card Advantage(Retired =[ )@iandowdy: She's in the deck for woodfall primus and ,if i can get one eventually, Puppeteer Clique. There are also a few decks in my group that run Skittles, Mimeoplasm is the only one that i've seen constantly use it but not often enough for me to use Melira, Sylvok Outcast to combat it. I was hopping to set up a combo with her, a sac outlet and woodfall primus to act as a one-sided board wipe. I could see cutting her, at least at this point until I am able to execute this plan.
Put in 3 sac outlets to help fuel my grave pact effects, and abuse undying and persist. However I'm 5 cards over the limit and I need help trimming the list. The last cuts are always the hardest! PLEASE HELP! Thanks =)!
I have increasing ambition in here because it a recoverable tutor, and later in the game if i flash it back i get two things! I haven't tested it out yet, but I think i'd be happy with it.
I do have a lot of fatties, I try to make most of them have some impact on the game when they enter or work with either Glissa or some other card in my deck. I could probably afford to cut a few, but I not sure who! I do intend on making darksteel colossus a blightsteel colossus when i get one, or maybe I could run Ulamog, the Infinite Gyre. Im not sure which huge beast with a shuffle effect i'd like to run. Now that I think about it, I might just put Ulamog in now instead of Darksteel.
Melira, Sylvok Outcast is in here as a back up to combo off with woodfall primus and puppeteer clique in case I lose the ability to use Mikaeus, the Unhallowed. I could see cutting her, and if I find i need her I can try to make room for her later on.
I dont wan't to go all out combo with this deck, but some of my friends do play things that this particular build can't compete with, so I wanted a way get around that and still maybe pull out a win!
Liliana Vess
Melira, Sylvok Outcast
and im not sure how often im going to try to win with general damage, but possibly
Nemesis Mask I love lure on equipment, but im running 3 mass removal spells artifacts, and im most likely going to want to recur Wormcoil Engine and Steel Hellkite over Nemesis Mask, my meta has a few aggro decks, but more often than than not the board inst totally overwhelmed with dudes.
Devoted Druid
Yavimaya Elder
Liliana Vess
Melira, Sylvok Outcast
And added Exsanguinate back in because I forgot to list it. Also dropped Terramorphic expanse and evolving wilds, will add in a basic land (TBD) and Tainted wood. Im going to keep the cycle lands, just in case I draw them later on when I'd rather not top deck a land, ill have to see how they play out.
Still need to cut two more cards!
Worldly Tutor ( i have "better" tutors, aka tutors with more impact when they are cast)
and
Nemesis Mask ( glissa will play the role of an engine more than a beater in this deck, so lure equipment isn't super relevant)
Thanks in advance!
Todays Constants are:
Graveborn Muse - This is the one im leaning towards the most, because I love card draw! (I should play that UGB chick!) She also adds another body to my "4-drops" part of the chain.
Harvester of Souls - Death touch and card draw when things die, not a terrible card, same CMC as Prime Time and a decent 5/5 body.
Dark Imposter - I've been wanting to use this guy since I opened him at the AVR pre-release. Im not sure how well he fit's in with the deck, but he's just sooo cool!
Harmonize - Straight up card draw? Sounds good, but I dont run E Wit in this deck so its not a super awesome as it could be, I'd probably try to find a land specific tutor over this.
Squall Line - Self destruct button? Maybe I could throw this in as another use for a mana dump, "If i'm gonna die, ill take you with me!"
Black sun's Zenith - Won the fancy full art promo, havn't used it since. There are a few sigarda, host of herons decks popping up in my meta, maybe this will be an answer for them?
Ratchet Bomb - A targeted removal ability that I can recur? Sure its not a total board wipe, but if im going v.s. tokens.dec I can slap this baby down and keep um' in check.
I think my top 3 are Graveborn muse, Ratchet bomb and Black Sun's Zenith.