I swear I first read it as Wingbonger...something tells me that "As Long as Wingbonger is paired with another creature, both creatures have weed." wouldn't be as good. Seems solid for limited.
That's not grokkable, makes little sense, and you're throwing away something that's still graspable to players.
Naya, Bant, Grixis, Esper and Jund are resonant and memorable with players. You'd have to do a WHOLE lot of work to make something else memorable enough to get past that.
Ravnica came out 6 and half years ago, and people still call R/W aggro decks Boros. While in the storyline all of the shards no longer exist, you'd be foolish to try and shoehorn in something else in those particular combinations. Until more time has passed and there's more player turnover.
In fact, I'll be shocked if ALL ten of the guilds aren't all back when we return to Ravnica. Just because the magical guildpact document doesn't exist anymore doesn't mean there can't be a paper one, and you can even revisit the guilds with the balance of them slightly different due to changes in Ravnica.
Azorious can have shifted more towards white- concerned more with order than law.
Selensya more towards white, becoming less about balance and more about oneness.
Boros more towards red, more about being a soldier class than a policekeeping force.
Rakdos, moves more towards red- much, much more about random senseless destruction, having less of the purpose or striving for power black demands.
Izzet more towards Blue than red- less random and playful, more about discovery and control
Simic more towards blue- and pressing it's evolution so as to be getting more and more unnatural.
Dimir moves more towards black, much more of an assassin's guild than a guild of spies.
Orzhov more towards black, focusing much more about their business than the church aspects, leading to them frequently being the biggest employer of House Dimir.
Golgari more towards green, because as a result of the shattering of the balance of the guildpact there as been more war and strife- making the need for them to recreate life being more important to their survival than their previous role of having to create death and plague.
Gruul more towards green, as a result of slowly becoming more organized and wise in the ways of nature, forced by the necessity of having to understand civilization better to drive the rapid growth of the Simic away from their lands and peoples.
If certain guilds become "smudged" as stated, the feel and appearance would more resemble Alara Reborn. I think WOtC would recognize and avoid this relapse making the Environment feel more like the original Ravnice we all cherish.
The "smudging" across color line would limit the potential number of guilds to less than ten. This would further create flavor that resembles the Alara clans rather than the ten original Ravnica Guilds. Therefore, essentially flawing both our theories of colored "smudged" guilds.
I am not ruling out tri-color mana symbols either. Just when we think WOtC can't possibly find ways to create new gameplay environments they give us Annihilate, Colorless non-artifact permanents, Infect, Phyrexian Mana and Double Faced cards.
On the other hand, the Guilds were disbanded at the end of the original Rav block hence the Dissension set. Therefore the Guilds would exist only in Ravnican history books and not be currently recognized on Ravnica.
This could give life to the reforging of the Guildpact and re-alliance of the guilds. PW's could essentially aid on peaceful transition. MaRo did say going forward that sets would "less-dark".
Continuing to think through this the notion, the reality of tri-colored mana symbols is inevitible.
RTR will feature the missing five "wedges" as tricolor guilds that formed after the dissolving of the Guildpact. (WBR, WBG, UWR, UBG, URG) Quote this when it's spoiled.
- a Commander product, which has absolutely no sway over what is printed in core sets
- the use of a Ravnica mechanic in a core set. MaRo and others have stated that they want to use easy and simple to understand mechanics in core sets. Bloodthirst fits those conditions, and was also very popular in its time, hence its reprinting. Why this means that there is going to be tricolor, I have no idea. No obvious links here.
- A comment from six years ago about tri-color guilds, which was made before the Alara block. The Dev team isn't about to merge Alara and Ravnica themes together, when they are both two of the most beloved blocks in all of Magic.
The guildpact was dissolved; that doesn't mean much. The guilds held pretty much absolute power over the plane, which is something they wouldn't be very willing to relinquish ever after the dissolution of the pact. My guess is that we may see a swing in the alliances between guilds, and MAYBE a couple tricolor things in "Roll", but the theme will be based more on the struggle between the guilds and potentially outside forces such as the Infinite Consortium.
I could see factions of the guild remnants jockeying for power aligning themselves with other factions creating eventually the 'wedges' for the last set.
RTR will feature the missing five "wedges" as tricolor guilds that formed after the dissolving of the Guildpact. (WBR, WBG, UWR, UBG, URG) Quote this when it's spoiled.
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I *highly* doubt it.
The whole RTR thing is Fanservice from the start-
they don't want to hear a bunch of griping from all the folks who loved how Ravnica solidified two-color combinations.
Also, where does this situation leave the enemy-color guilds?
Would a card costing (U/R)(U/R) belong to the RUG guild, or the WUR guild?
They know people want Ravnica and they know people want wedges-
I doubt they'll risk annoying both groups by combining the ideas.
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Nope. The guilds aren't even guilds any more, and I could see a little bleeding taking place amongst some of the groups that were the guilds, but the entirety of the groups themselves would not merge.
1. Nicol Bolas if in 2013, provides a new context for a base set. Multicolor isn't that complex and has been around since Legends. Having a base set connect to the new block and Ravnica is a multicolor plane, then we have the movement there.
2. Support for enemy tap lands in Innistraad was meant for Ravnica, there's also the cross-blockness of the multicolor utility lands which reinforces various color schemes.
3. There's been a block already with the other wedges, moving over to the other wedges seems a power creep
4. Planeswalker evolution:
A. Mana combinations for all Planeswalkers:
-:0mana:
-:symg:
-:symu:
-:symg:
-:symr:
-:symb:
-:symb::symu:
-:symg::symr:
-:symw::symr:
-:symu::symr::symb:
-:symw::symu:
-:symb::symw:
-:symb::symr:
Which still leaves:
-All non Grixis tri-colors
-4 dual color: :symg::symw:,:symu::symr:, :symu::symg:, and :symg::symb:
-hybrid mana
-rainbow walker
-Phyrexian mana 'walker
So I'll come out and say I support the rise of hybrid mana 'walkers and in the third set a rainbow 'walker which both are the next logical step in 'walker evolution. Thus supporting Dack and the green/blue walker as hybrid 'walkers, with the "big bang" being rainbow.
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I think the "smudging" idea is probably the most accurate.
I do not understand why everyone insists that all of the guilds will return and every card from the original Ravnica block will be reprinted. This isn't going to be Ravnica: City of Guilds anymore than Scars of Mirrodin was Mirrodin. They have a creative team to be just that: creative.
Which God are we talking about exactly?
Wizards seems to be quite a Pantheon, and the big bosses don't seem to be afraid of undoing anything the "lesser gods" said (such as the book writers).
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I predict we may even get Tri-color Hybrids.
I sight these foreshadowing facts for my reasoning:
MaRo said this in an article from Monday, May 22, 2006 - he says "(Well until we do the tri-color guild block.)"
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There's several of your three color "guilds".
I am thinking along these lines for instance:
Borzhov Guildmage - B\R\\W\R\\B\W
Simir Guildmage - U\G\\B\U\\B\G
Gruulgari Guildmage - R\G\\G\B\\R\B
That's not grokkable, makes little sense, and you're throwing away something that's still graspable to players.
Naya, Bant, Grixis, Esper and Jund are resonant and memorable with players. You'd have to do a WHOLE lot of work to make something else memorable enough to get past that.
Ravnica came out 6 and half years ago, and people still call R/W aggro decks Boros. While in the storyline all of the shards no longer exist, you'd be foolish to try and shoehorn in something else in those particular combinations. Until more time has passed and there's more player turnover.
In fact, I'll be shocked if ALL ten of the guilds aren't all back when we return to Ravnica. Just because the magical guildpact document doesn't exist anymore doesn't mean there can't be a paper one, and you can even revisit the guilds with the balance of them slightly different due to changes in Ravnica.
Azorious can have shifted more towards white- concerned more with order than law.
Selensya more towards white, becoming less about balance and more about oneness.
Boros more towards red, more about being a soldier class than a policekeeping force.
Rakdos, moves more towards red- much, much more about random senseless destruction, having less of the purpose or striving for power black demands.
Izzet more towards Blue than red- less random and playful, more about discovery and control
Simic more towards blue- and pressing it's evolution so as to be getting more and more unnatural.
Dimir moves more towards black, much more of an assassin's guild than a guild of spies.
Orzhov more towards black, focusing much more about their business than the church aspects, leading to them frequently being the biggest employer of House Dimir.
Golgari more towards green, because as a result of the shattering of the balance of the guildpact there as been more war and strife- making the need for them to recreate life being more important to their survival than their previous role of having to create death and plague.
Gruul more towards green, as a result of slowly becoming more organized and wise in the ways of nature, forced by the necessity of having to understand civilization better to drive the rapid growth of the Simic away from their lands and peoples.
This obviously also rebalances alliances.
The "smudging" across color line would limit the potential number of guilds to less than ten. This would further create flavor that resembles the Alara clans rather than the ten original Ravnica Guilds. Therefore, essentially flawing both our theories of colored "smudged" guilds.
I am not ruling out tri-color mana symbols either. Just when we think WOtC can't possibly find ways to create new gameplay environments they give us Annihilate, Colorless non-artifact permanents, Infect, Phyrexian Mana and Double Faced cards.
This could give life to the reforging of the Guildpact and re-alliance of the guilds. PW's could essentially aid on peaceful transition. MaRo did say going forward that sets would "less-dark".
Continuing to think through this the notion, the reality of tri-colored mana symbols is inevitible.
OR
Multi-color Monohybrid - Borzhov Guildmage R\2\\B\2\\W\2
We will also see configurations of hybrid mana symbols.
MTGS egos at their finest.
Thoughts on proxies:
- a Commander product, which has absolutely no sway over what is printed in core sets
- the use of a Ravnica mechanic in a core set. MaRo and others have stated that they want to use easy and simple to understand mechanics in core sets. Bloodthirst fits those conditions, and was also very popular in its time, hence its reprinting. Why this means that there is going to be tricolor, I have no idea. No obvious links here.
- A comment from six years ago about tri-color guilds, which was made before the Alara block. The Dev team isn't about to merge Alara and Ravnica themes together, when they are both two of the most beloved blocks in all of Magic.
The guildpact was dissolved; that doesn't mean much. The guilds held pretty much absolute power over the plane, which is something they wouldn't be very willing to relinquish ever after the dissolution of the pact. My guess is that we may see a swing in the alliances between guilds, and MAYBE a couple tricolor things in "Roll", but the theme will be based more on the struggle between the guilds and potentially outside forces such as the Infinite Consortium.
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They could prove me wrong and make it fun though.
maybe I just have too much good memories with the guilds being 2 colours
Could this be a lead in ("foreshadowing") to RTR guilds aligning themselves together? ("wedging")
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The whole RTR thing is Fanservice from the start-
they don't want to hear a bunch of griping from all the folks who loved how Ravnica solidified two-color combinations.
Also, where does this situation leave the enemy-color guilds?
Would a card costing (U/R)(U/R) belong to the RUG guild, or the WUR guild?
They know people want Ravnica and they know people want wedges-
I doubt they'll risk annoying both groups by combining the ideas.
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Control needs more love.
EDH:
Momir Vig, Simic Visionary
Melek, Izzet Paragon
Oona, Queen of the Fae
Bruna, Light of Alabaster
Gisela, Blade of Goldnight
Rhys the Redeemed
Jarad, Golgari Lich Lord
Sen Triplets
The Mimeoplasm
WUBRGSliver OverlordGRBUW
WUBRGSliver Hivelord(Superfriends)GRBUW
Doesn't work. Gruulgari and Borzohv need to reference Rackdos for their B/R and Simir needs to reference Golgari for it's B/G.
1. Nicol Bolas if in 2013, provides a new context for a base set. Multicolor isn't that complex and has been around since Legends. Having a base set connect to the new block and Ravnica is a multicolor plane, then we have the movement there.
2. Support for enemy tap lands in Innistraad was meant for Ravnica, there's also the cross-blockness of the multicolor utility lands which reinforces various color schemes.
3. There's been a block already with the other wedges, moving over to the other wedges seems a power creep
4. Planeswalker evolution:
A. Mana combinations for all Planeswalkers:
-:0mana:
-:symg:
-:symu:
-:symg:
-:symr:
-:symb:
-:symb::symu:
-:symg::symr:
-:symw::symr:
-:symu::symr::symb:
-:symw::symu:
-:symb::symw:
-:symb::symr:
Which still leaves:
-All non Grixis tri-colors
-4 dual color: :symg::symw:,:symu::symr:, :symu::symg:, and :symg::symb:
-hybrid mana
-rainbow walker
-Phyrexian mana 'walker
So I'll come out and say I support the rise of hybrid mana 'walkers and in the third set a rainbow 'walker which both are the next logical step in 'walker evolution. Thus supporting Dack and the green/blue walker as hybrid 'walkers, with the "big bang" being rainbow.
Ambition must be made to counteract ambition.
Individualities may form communities, but it is institutions alone that can create a nation.
Nothing succeeds like the appearance of success.
Here is my principle: Taxes shall be levied according to ability to pay. That is the only American principle.
I do not understand why everyone insists that all of the guilds will return and every card from the original Ravnica block will be reprinted. This isn't going to be Ravnica: City of Guilds anymore than Scars of Mirrodin was Mirrodin. They have a creative team to be just that: creative.
Wizards seems to be quite a Pantheon, and the big bosses don't seem to be afraid of undoing anything the "lesser gods" said (such as the book writers).