Say it was a large set with foils, and all the cards were stuff like duals, power, other reserve list cards and cool things like Jace, Force, Fetches and so on and so forth. The cards would not be tournament-legal, as they would have a silver/gold border.
I know I would, and would probably buy a case. Foil duals for my EDH decks on the cheap? Yes please!
Yes. Especially if they were old frame original beta foils or even beta non foil like CE and IE, as I want good proxies for the cube that look amazing.
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This would simply solve so many problems. I own power, duals, etc. but none of my friends do. Very few people at my local shop have ever seen power with their own eyes. The entry cost for vintage, legacy, and even serious Commander decks (is that a contradiction?) is getting silly. Vintage games are getting proxy heavy and the same will happen to these other formats. Wizards cracks down on the sale of proxies (rightly so). Silver bordered money cards would simply be official proxies. They would allow people into these formats and keep the existing people there. I would buy a set for each of my friends so we could play like it's 1999 again.
It will never happen. These would not violate the letter of the reserve list but they would violate the spirit which Wizards has stated they will not do. Also, why would Wizards have any interest in Vintage? They don't make any money off the secondary market. They have a few events per year and that's about it. Similar with Legacy.
They support Commander but at the moment you can still break into Commander (and even Legacy) without a second mortgage if you're willing to run an economy deck. However if I hadn't been playing since 1994 there is still no way that I would even consider trying to break into Legacy or anything but the most casual of commander decks because they won't reprint the cards that need it, even things not on the reserve list like FoW, Maze, Karakas, and P3K. I feel that anything else I say would push this post over into rantsville so I will stop here.
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It would be fantastic if they would just reprint Collector's Edition one more time at a reasonable price. They make for lovely looking proxies and I'm sure casual players would eat them up (demand for CE cards is already there). A current CE Black Lotus already fetches over $200.
I don't think it would happen, but it sure could be cool.
The idea would be more like a "Greatest Hits" kind of thing. Non-tournament legal, as to not piss off the collectors, but something that would be awesome for casual play.
Unfortunately, my casual playgroup has a serious hatred towards any kind of proxied card; and I'm sure Collector's Edition-esque reprints would fit their definition of proxied. They also won't let me use banned cards, even in casual "kitchen table" matches. Maybe I need a new playgroup...
It's a little naive to think that just because a card is expensive it needs to be reprinted tho. That's just ridiculous. I paid 4 dollars for my Tarmogoyfs, many people had this same oppurtunity. They haven't been 100 dollars for more than 2-3 years. You should have grabbed them when they were cheap (obviously doesn't apply to newer players)
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It's a little naive to think that just because a card is expensive it needs to be reprinted tho. That's just ridiculous. I paid 4 dollars for my Tarmogoyfs, many people had this same oppurtunity. They haven't been 100 dollars for more than 2-3 years. You should have grabbed them when they were cheap (obviously doesn't apply to newer players)
Ok, just because you have a set of goyfs on the cheap before they jumped means everyone was able to? you know they started jumping up as soon as everyone started buying them, and buying them even faster wouldn't make them cheaper.
I would love a box of silver/gold/poop brown bordered legacy and vintage staples. Even if each card included bold print somewhere on the front NOT TOURNAMENT LEGAL, its better than plains with sharpie and im sure would sell like crazy.
It's a little naive to think that just because a card is expensive it needs to be reprinted tho. That's just ridiculous. I paid 4 dollars for my Tarmogoyfs, many people had this same oppurtunity. They haven't been 100 dollars for more than 2-3 years. You should have grabbed them when they were cheap (obviously doesn't apply to newer players)
That's a bad mentality.
I have Duals I bought @ $6-$10 each. Good for me, awful for new EDH players, that, let's face it, may never be able to play with them.
It's far too niche for WOTC to do this now. Back in the day, sure, when Legacy was 'the' format for 'real' players. But it's clear that WOTC wants Legacy to die, because they have more control and freedom with Modern. That, and new players are where the money's at. I don't know how old you guys are, but Magic is 20, which means you're at least 20 if you started playing Magic the minute you were born. Chances are, your lifestyle will force you out of this hobby sooner or later. So why cater to a group that won't be playing much longer?
Add to this, that a CE of very powerful cards would spoil newer players so bad. Of course they'd buy this, over some randomized junk. Then they'd refuse to buy anything new after being accustomed to the insane speed/power of legacy.
In short, CE doesn't grow the brand. You're stuck with your own proxies, sorry.
Add to this, that a CE of very powerful cards would spoil newer players so bad. Of course they'd buy this, over some randomized junk. Then they'd refuse to buy anything new after being accustomed to the insane speed/power of legacy.
A couple of the PDS decks were serviceable for Legacy if you modified them a little (Graveborn and Fire And Lightning, at least), and new players certainly didn't buy PDS decks en masse over other casual variants like Planechase, Commander, etc, which are simply far more popular.
The only reason why I don't play paper MTG anymore is because I can't afford a $100 Tropical Island, but I can afford a $20 MTGO Tropical Island. Give me cards at a price relative to other current cards, and I'll stop proxying cards and getting thrown out of playgroups for having a deck consisting 30% of notebook paper.
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Yes. Especially if they were old frame original beta foils or even beta non foil like CE and IE, as I want good proxies for the cube that look amazing.
I have Duals I bought @ $6-$10 each. Good for me, awful for new EDH players, that, let's face it, may never be able to play with them.
I said it doesn't apply to newer players. But are you telling me everyone who complains about card prices is new? Of course not. Most people had the opportunity to buy cards that are expensive now at a fraction of their current price, but didn't. and do nothing but complain about it. A lot of the people that complain are the same ones that buy packs or trade their entire binder for the "hot-new planeswalker" that turns out to be a bust and wonder why they don't have any cards or money.
it wouldn't solve anything unless it was printed in such a massive quantity that they are worthless for years to come. all it would do is warp your kitchen table/edh games because now everyone has access to the most powerful cards and needs them to compete with everyone else who has the most powerful cards which are also now easy to come by... until they're out of print again.
that said, i would still buy them like my life depended on it.
im not really sure how i feel about this i dont play with proxies and neither does anyone in my playgroup
That being said i would definitely buy as many as i could in hope they would just turn into a FTV set and be worth 20 or so dollars then use them as trade fodder to get some real cards
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If that's your "casual," what on earth is required for "formal," a butler in livery shuffling the decks whilst a pianist plays Brahms in front of a tapestry?
The only thing I want dual lands for is sanctioned Legacy, and these would not be legal for play in that format. If I had a cube, I might want to get a set of them, but I don't.
While I would like to have a foil Force of Will, I do not think it is possible because of the reserved list. But I think if it contained duel lands or other expensive cards, it would be neat. I hope a product like that would have Kokusho because she would look sooo pretty with a shiny silver border! I would spend so much money to buy that!
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Read their story here!
A lot of the people that complain are the same ones that buy packs or trade their entire binder for the "hot-new planeswalker" that turns out to be a bust and wonder why they don't have any cards or money.
Others like me bought a bunch of duals, fetches, Loyal Retainers, etc when they were cheap but since had them stolen.
Say it was a large set with foils, and all the cards were stuff like duals, power, other reserve list cards and cool things like Jace, Force, Fetches and so on and so forth. The cards would not be tournament-legal, as they would have a silver/gold border.
I know I would, and would probably buy a case. Foil duals for my EDH decks on the cheap? Yes please!
Edit: Also, if yes why, if not why.
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It will never happen. These would not violate the letter of the reserve list but they would violate the spirit which Wizards has stated they will not do. Also, why would Wizards have any interest in Vintage? They don't make any money off the secondary market. They have a few events per year and that's about it. Similar with Legacy.
They support Commander but at the moment you can still break into Commander (and even Legacy) without a second mortgage if you're willing to run an economy deck. However if I hadn't been playing since 1994 there is still no way that I would even consider trying to break into Legacy or anything but the most casual of commander decks because they won't reprint the cards that need it, even things not on the reserve list like FoW, Maze, Karakas, and P3K. I feel that anything else I say would push this post over into rantsville so I will stop here.
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Arabian Nights through Lorwyn: Complete
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I don't think it would happen, but it sure could be cool.
It's a little naive to think that just because a card is expensive it needs to be reprinted tho. That's just ridiculous. I paid 4 dollars for my Tarmogoyfs, many people had this same oppurtunity. They haven't been 100 dollars for more than 2-3 years. You should have grabbed them when they were cheap (obviously doesn't apply to newer players)
Bident Layers
B Devotion
RG Devotion
UW Control
Modern:
Jund
UW Control
Combo Pod
Legacy:
DeathBlade
RUG Delver
BUG Control
Ok, just because you have a set of goyfs on the cheap before they jumped means everyone was able to? you know they started jumping up as soon as everyone started buying them, and buying them even faster wouldn't make them cheaper.
I would love a box of silver/gold/poop brown bordered legacy and vintage staples. Even if each card included bold print somewhere on the front NOT TOURNAMENT LEGAL, its better than plains with sharpie and im sure would sell like crazy.
That's a bad mentality.
I have Duals I bought @ $6-$10 each. Good for me, awful for new EDH players, that, let's face it, may never be able to play with them.
Add to this, that a CE of very powerful cards would spoil newer players so bad. Of course they'd buy this, over some randomized junk. Then they'd refuse to buy anything new after being accustomed to the insane speed/power of legacy.
In short, CE doesn't grow the brand. You're stuck with your own proxies, sorry.
A couple of the PDS decks were serviceable for Legacy if you modified them a little (Graveborn and Fire And Lightning, at least), and new players certainly didn't buy PDS decks en masse over other casual variants like Planechase, Commander, etc, which are simply far more popular.
The only reason why I don't play paper MTG anymore is because I can't afford a $100 Tropical Island, but I can afford a $20 MTGO Tropical Island. Give me cards at a price relative to other current cards, and I'll stop proxying cards and getting thrown out of playgroups for having a deck consisting 30% of notebook paper.
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:symw::symu:Treasure Hunting:symw::symu:
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That said, it really depends on the cost of this hypothetical product.
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Essentially this.
I said it doesn't apply to newer players. But are you telling me everyone who complains about card prices is new? Of course not. Most people had the opportunity to buy cards that are expensive now at a fraction of their current price, but didn't. and do nothing but complain about it. A lot of the people that complain are the same ones that buy packs or trade their entire binder for the "hot-new planeswalker" that turns out to be a bust and wonder why they don't have any cards or money.
Bident Layers
B Devotion
RG Devotion
UW Control
Modern:
Jund
UW Control
Combo Pod
Legacy:
DeathBlade
RUG Delver
BUG Control
that said, i would still buy them like my life depended on it.
That being said i would definitely buy as many as i could in hope they would just turn into a FTV set and be worth 20 or so dollars then use them as trade fodder to get some real cards
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I hate the reserved list.
Mythic rares are fine.
Nicol Bolas is so awesome! And so is Kokusho!
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They can, 'cause gold bordered cards are not tournament legal.
Others like me bought a bunch of duals, fetches, Loyal Retainers, etc when they were cheap but since had them stolen.
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It isn't tourney legal. In other words, they're about as good as proxies.
Proxies are fine. But I'm not going to PAY for proxies.
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