These little kids made a lemonade stand that did well I guess and they use this as their headline news that Obama is wrong? Are you freaking kidding me? And yet we have people on this site saying that they are truly Fair and Balanced?
They completely mischaracterize the President's argument and use that as evidence against him. GAAAHH!!! I would love to see those kids succeed with a lemonade stand if there wasn't a road for them to be next to or lack of outright crime that would exist without police.
“Nobody helped them except us," Andrew Sutton, 35, said. "They did it on their own.”
That's like saying 'nobody helped me get back on my feet but welfare'. If you helped them, they didn't do it on their own. The parents were, in essence, a subsidy program at best.
They completely mischaracterize the President's argument and use that as evidence against him. GAAAHH!!! I would love to see those kids succeed with a lemonade stand if there wasn't a road for them to be next to or lack of outright crime that would exist without police.
To be honest, the President's speech was very poorly worded for the message he was said to have been trying to portray. Try not to get so upset about what the News agencies say or publish, they are only pushing for their corporate interests and market share.
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The first half of this sentence seems to erroneously think that the latter half isn't something worth getting angry over.
Thinking rationally means understanding the situation and rather than getting upset about it, and finding a way to fix it. End Corporate Personhood and eliminate the stranglehold the corporations have on the government, and the problem will fix itself. The quickest way to do both is to abolish the Federal Reserve. The easiest way to do it, is to leave it to it's own machinations and the whole system will collapse with everyone spreading the truth about it.
Pick your poison, because getting upset about it is what they want you to do, that's why they practice this game of being absurd. I makes it so Individuals collectivize and form opposing groups that they can manipulate into maintaining their power.
If you got a business, you didn’t build that. Somebody else made that happen,” Obama said. "If you were successful, somebody along the line gave you some help. There was a great teacher somewhere in your life. Somebody helped to create this unbelievable American system that we have that allowed you to thrive. Somebody invested in roads and bridges. If you've got a business, you didn't build that. Somebody else made that happen."
This is the ignorant comment that came out of obama's mouth the other day.
Needless to say it is a truely ignorant statement and not the first time he has said something similar about the private sector.
Of course this is also coming from a guy that never ran a business in his life. So he has no clue about what is going on.
Most business owners i know (which is quite a few) when they started and even now. They maxed out credit worked 80+ hours a week, begged banks to get loans, didn't take pay checks etc to make it work.
This just goes back to Obama's war on prosperity and class warfare. If you are successful and own your own company then you owe someone else for your hard earned work.
Then he wonders why the economy isn't back up and kicking.
If you got a business, you didn’t build that. Somebody else made that happen,” Obama said. "If you were successful, somebody along the line gave you some help. There was a great teacher somewhere in your life. Somebody helped to create this unbelievable American system that we have that allowed you to thrive. Somebody invested in roads and bridges. If you've got a business, you didn't build that. Somebody else made that happen."
This is the ignorant comment that came out of obama's mouth the other day.
Needless to say it is a truely ignorant statement and not the first time he has said something similar about the private sector.
Of course this is also coming from a guy that never ran a business in his life. So he has no clue about what is going on.
Most business owners i know (which is quite a few) when they started and even now. They maxed out credit worked 80+ hours a week, begged banks to get loans, didn't take pay checks etc to make it work.
This just goes back to Obama's war on prosperity and class warfare. If you are successful and own your own company then you owe someone else for your hard earned work.
Then he wonders why the economy isn't back up and kicking.
Was that the quote? That makes the article even funnier - because its a case example of why Obama's quote was right.
Where did the kids get the idea for a lemonade stand?
Who taught them about money?
Who gave them the equipment to get started?
I'm not saying Obama was right, but to try and disprove it with a case example proving his point is idiocy of the highest order.
Was that the quote? That makes the article even funnier - because its a case example of why Obama's quote was right.
Where did the kids get the idea for a lemonade stand?
Who taught them about money?
Who gave them the equipment to get started?
I'm not saying Obama was right, but to try and disprove it with a case example proving his point is idiocy of the highest order.
Where did the kids get the idea for a lemonade stand?
Who taught them about money?
Who gave them the equipment to get started?
they themselves thought up the idea for the lemonade stand.
they wanted to learn themselves where their parents got the money from.
their parents own and run a business.
i am sure their parents helped start them out. like most businesses get a line of credit or use a credit card or a 2nd mortgage on the house.
Given their success according to the article they are now paying for their own supplies.
it is all right there in the article.
I'm not saying Obama was right, but to try and disprove it with a case example proving his point is idiocy of the highest order.
i am not saying this is the best example because it isn't. Yet the girls are correct the federal government hasn't swooped in and made them successful. it is their hard work and effort that has done it.
They came up with the idea.
they worked on the idea
they marketed the idea
and now they have a successful business.
no where did i see government making it for them (which is what obama proposed in his statement).
It was a stupid comment to make. very stupid comment.
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Thinking rationally means understanding the situation and rather than getting upset about it, and finding a way to fix it. End Corporate Personhood and eliminate the stranglehold the corporations have on the government, and the problem will fix itself. The quickest way to do both is to abolish the Federal Reserve. The easiest way to do it, is to leave it to it's own machinations and the whole system will collapse with everyone spreading the truth about it.
Pick your poison, because getting upset about it is what they want you to do, that's why they practice this game of being absurd. I makes it so Individuals collectivize and form opposing groups that they can manipulate into maintaining their power.
This is different from any other point in history, how? Gold for the most part only has artistic and monetary value, outside of that the value can change directly. Silver and other such metals hold higher use value because of their production value and use in products. Copper is easily the most valuable metal. Beyond that, though, is land which I don't think either of us would argue about intrinsic value there. Yet, as each cycle through out history that metals are not hedge against inflation such as the great silver inflation from the massive silver extraction during Spanish colonialism sent a wave of inflation that hit even the Tang. The fixation on wealth extraction through metals and diamonds and such still creates massive perverse economic incentives in the short term when it comes to land and human labor relations.
Anarchism when we begin to approach where practiced was focused on clan governmental structures that freely associated with each other, but lacked a centralization of power to create a mechanism for final violence against offenders. The Icelandic failures with their jurist system holds this to be hardly not the system.
Equally, the rise of federalism in the states was in reaction to economic problems and hegemony. The exact arguments for federalism was the tendency in confederations for a hegemon to emerge. During the Commercial Revolution during the middle ages with the rise of family backed corporations such as the Medici or prior to that the rise of the Knights Templar as a money and security international corporation shows that corporatization can come through various mechanisms from the ground up without necessarily current governmental structures. The Knights Templars were from the Catholic Church, and the Medici overtime were just a family that sent people abroad. Or the rise of the church after the anarchy that beset in after Rome.
In the modern era the rise of gang-tribes with business based economics to sell market based goods and compete through warlordism and such doesn't suit that all bottom up "governments that aren't quite governments."
In each instance in a power vacuum someone comes along, forms an elite, takes over, and instill in themselves power over other people subsidized through wealth and violence. Since in part whenever informal governments become formal governments happens not so much through chance or haphazardness rather through fiat of cultural precedence.
Which reinforces a different point, what "stuff" exists for thousands of years that people keep consuming? The only thing that stands beyond market and empire are cities. City-states tend to have centralized governments of one form or another that reflects it's larger brethren the nation-states. They are also build around land and geographic advantages that lends themselves to better positions to facilitate economic activity and the only thing that holds truer intrinsic value than metal; land and people.
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Apparently belief is now comparable to tangible objects.
Bit of a stretch, don't you think?
People, who are atheist, are affected by the Bible and more likely to tell the truth. Belief is a good word for these objects, however the problem becomes that there have been various mechanisms for money ranging from shells to exchanging women as a form of currency. The gold argument has been apparently used to justify because "it keeps showing up," but I question whether that's from cultural impulses when you consider the three main continents traded with each other in some fashion over harsh environments than anything really attractive about gold and more as appearance to the times.
Gold as a form of currency has it's problems, where as fiat goes inflationary the deflationary problems aren't that great either especially in the wake of banking panics and such. Thus far gold going to notes and forms of abstract ownership in the form of futures is now traded as a currency to be able to own oil without "truly owning oil" is the whole concept that underlines what originated with bank notes. Which can be expanded to only being able to trade in durable goods without the use of any notes altogether, which triggers people to create new currencies from the currency in current circulation by cutting down the slivers and ingots which in itself is nongovernmental inflation therefore reinforcing another aspect of fiat's utility in that it is easier to carry and easier to spread around to derive market based activities.
Monetary policy, fiscal policy, and regulatory policy all interconnect as well as to the direct rise of hegemons and institutions that limit choice and decrease transaction costs at the same time. Equally, to the nature of confederacy and provincial states has their own unique characteristics that have unique levels for cost benefit analysis.
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Individualities may form communities, but it is institutions alone that can create a nation.
Nothing succeeds like the appearance of success.
Here is my principle: Taxes shall be levied according to ability to pay. That is the only American principle.
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Now let's see a couple of black kids living in the inner city set up the same lemonade stand. I wonder if their inner city stand in a violent neighborhood has the same opportunity at success as a white suburban stand.
People, who are atheist, are affected by the Bible and more likely to tell the truth. Belief is a good word for these objects, however the problem becomes that there have been various mechanisms for money ranging from shells to exchanging women as a form of currency. The gold argument has been apparently used to justify because "it keeps showing up," but I question whether that's from cultural impulses when you consider the three main continents traded with each other in some fashion over harsh environments than anything really attractive about gold and more as appearance to the times.
Gold as a form of currency has it's problems, where as fiat goes inflationary the deflationary problems aren't that great either especially in the wake of banking panics and such. Thus far gold going to notes and forms of abstract ownership in the form of futures is now traded as a currency to be able to own oil without "truly owning oil" is the whole concept that underlines what originated with bank notes. Which can be expanded to only being able to trade in durable goods without the use of any notes altogether, which triggers people to create new currencies from the currency in current circulation by cutting down the slivers and ingots which in itself is nongovernmental inflation therefore reinforcing another aspect of fiat's utility in that it is easier to carry and easier to spread around to derive market based activities.
Monetary policy, fiscal policy, and regulatory policy all interconnect as well as to the direct rise of hegemons and institutions that limit choice and decrease transaction costs at the same time. Equally, to the nature of confederacy and provincial states has their own unique characteristics that have unique levels for cost benefit analysis.
tl;dr: They're not the same, I mostly just wanted to try and make them sound like they are.
This is different from any other point in history, how? Gold for the most part only has artistic and monetary value, outside of that the value can change directly. Silver and other such metals hold higher use value because of their production value and use in products. Copper is easily the most valuable metal. Beyond that, though, is land which I don't think either of us would argue about intrinsic value there. Yet, as each cycle through out history that metals are not hedge against inflation such as the great silver inflation from the massive silver extraction during Spanish colonialism sent a wave of inflation that hit even the Tang. The fixation on wealth extraction through metals and diamonds and such still creates massive perverse economic incentives in the short term when it comes to land and human labor relations.
Intrinsic value is based upon the work and methods required to extract or produce said good. Usage value is merely a market pricing action and has little to no effect on the actual intrinsic value of the said good. Copper has little intrinsic value, as it's GPM is relatively high even in the most drained of reserves.
Land only has intrinsic value if it's tillable. Non-tillable land is essentially worthless. As I stated in the other thread, the Inflation was due to protectionism and Government actions. The increase of Silver did not actually result in making the silver easier to mine, or make it lose value, it merely made it so the amount available could be consumed and abused by the government of Spain. The value of the Silver was still there, it was just misrepresented by the sudden and rapid increase of the amount in a locality. I'm sure if you asked the Natives they stole the Silver from, Silver would hold a larger amount of value to them after it was stolen. That is if they understood what it was in the first place.
Anarchism when we begin to approach where practiced was focused on clan governmental structures that freely associated with each other, but lacked a centralization of power to create a mechanism for final violence against offenders. The Icelandic failures with their jurist system holds this to be hardly not the system.
The Jurist system is completely unrelated to modern Anarchist Philosophy. The Jurist system was still based on Tribal lords and uncivilized invaders before the readily available method of self defense was possible. The knowledge of firearms was virtually non-existence. This is about advancing Man kind, not about trying other systems that have failed in the past.
Equally, the rise of federalism in the states was in reaction to economic problems and hegemony. The exact arguments for federalism was the tendency in confederations for a hegemon to emerge. During the Commercial Revolution during the middle ages with the rise of family backed corporations such as the Medici or prior to that the rise of the Knights Templar as a money and security international corporation shows that corporatization can come through various mechanisms from the ground up without necessarily current governmental structures. The Knights Templars were from the Catholic Church, and the Medici overtime were just a family that sent people abroad. Or the rise of the church after the anarchy that beset in after Rome.
Feudalism was a direct effect of Statism. Everything you just suggested there was built upon the networks of the Church, which were highly statist and coerced funding for those endeavors from the practitioners they had previously indoctrinated.
In the modern era the rise of gang-tribes with business based economics to sell market based goods and compete through warlordism and such doesn't suit that all bottom up "governments that aren't quite governments."
It worked in Somalia until the UN decided that they needed a "proper" government.
In each instance in a power vacuum someone comes along, forms an elite, takes over, and instill in themselves power over other people subsidized through wealth and violence. Since in part whenever informal governments become formal governments happens not so much through chance or haphazardness rather through fiat of cultural precedence.
So what you are saying is that a truly free and stateless society can not reasonably exist as long as people result to the violence and coercion of the state to subjugate people that do not live with a statist system, then yes I agree with you. This is why many of us that have spent the time to understand what Bastiat, Mises, Hayek, Rothbard, and many more were writing about have taken upon ourselves through a personal choice to share what we have learned. In essence the injustices of the Fiat paper based system, the immorality of corporate like influences and state-based war will never end until we rid people of this foolish notion that we can not get along and live peacefully in cooperation with each other. We as individuals need to accept that Government is merely a fiction created in our minds, and the State is really Individual action based up collective coercion and threats of force.
Which reinforces a different point, what "stuff" exists for thousands of years that people keep consuming? The only thing that stands beyond market and empire are cities. City-states tend to have centralized governments of one form or another that reflects it's larger brethren the nation-states. They are also build around land and geographic advantages that lends themselves to better positions to facilitate economic activity and the only thing that holds truer intrinsic value than metal; land and people.
People do not hold Intrinsic value. Markets trump all. All empires fall to the inefficiencies and malinvestments of their markets. We are seeing the Western Empire centered around NATO falling right before our eyes at this very moment. No human or "State" can bend the laws of Physics, and thusly none can violate the inherent economics or the laws that govern them.
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It is hard for me to take this seriously, because it is a Fox News article. But at the same time, I can't see them just making up quotes. He most likely made the statements that they are claiming he made, and alot of his statements read extremely poorly. Yes, businesses are helped by infrastructure. But those businesses also pay taxes, and those taxes are supposed to be for things like infrastructure.
Comparing a lemonaide stand ran by a 7 and 4 year old to the entrepreneurs Obama was speaking of, is stupid. This stand hasn't "made it" yet or "got there on their own" until they own several chains and bring in some millions of revanue each year.
This article in itself, is stupid. And thus, engaging in debate over it is also stupid.
I can't see them just making up quotes. He most likely made the statements that they are claiming he made, and alot of his statements read extremely poorly. Yes, businesses are helped by infrastructure. But those businesses also pay taxes, and those taxes are supposed to be for things like infrastructure.
No the quotes are not made up he said them in a campaign speech it was either in VA or PA.
It was a whole part of his people need to give back because they are successful IE they are not paying their fair share.
in the same speech he claims to have cut trillions of dollars. if this was the case then well he wouldn't have a deficit of 1.6 trillion. so his numbers aren't adding up some where.
This stand hasn't "made it" yet or "got there on their own" until they own several chains and bring in some millions of revanue each year.
really? you have to make millions of dollars in revenue to make it? I don't know to many small business that make that kind of money. nor do i know any small business that owns several chains.
no the article brings a point that it is people with idea's that make, and create jobs and wealth for other people. not the government. compare the two a person that owns his own business vs someone that lives off the government. one has the posibility of being rich and making it the other will never have the possibility.
Is mystery really arguing that two kids in suburbia with a lemonade stand prove that every man is an island unto themselves? I...I...honestly have no idea what to say...
Is mystery really arguing that two kids in suburbia with a lemonade stand prove that every man is an island unto themselves? I...I...honestly have no idea what to say...
How about Sam Walton, who went from a country kid to the founder of what would become Wal-Mart and Sam's Club?
Or Herman Cain, who was born in segregated Tennessee to a cleaning woman and her barber husband who eventually became CEO of Godfather's Pizza and a Republican Presidential primary contender?
Or the former CEO of Best Buy (who recently stepped down over corruption allegations) who began his career as a cashier at Best Buy?
Or any of the current group of first generation millionaires? (A first generation millionaire being a person who made their money as opposed to inheriting it).
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http://www.foxnews.com/us/2012/07/17/lemonade-lessons-small-ones-sour-on-obama-small-biz-advice/
These little kids made a lemonade stand that did well I guess and they use this as their headline news that Obama is wrong? Are you freaking kidding me? And yet we have people on this site saying that they are truly Fair and Balanced?
They completely mischaracterize the President's argument and use that as evidence against him. GAAAHH!!! I would love to see those kids succeed with a lemonade stand if there wasn't a road for them to be next to or lack of outright crime that would exist without police.
The problem is that people do, lots of them.
That's like saying 'nobody helped me get back on my feet but welfare'. If you helped them, they didn't do it on their own. The parents were, in essence, a subsidy program at best.
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These same people think angels exist most of the time. And who takes them seriously?
Because we care about facts.
To be honest, the President's speech was very poorly worded for the message he was said to have been trying to portray. Try not to get so upset about what the News agencies say or publish, they are only pushing for their corporate interests and market share.
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Thinking rationally means understanding the situation and rather than getting upset about it, and finding a way to fix it. End Corporate Personhood and eliminate the stranglehold the corporations have on the government, and the problem will fix itself. The quickest way to do both is to abolish the Federal Reserve. The easiest way to do it, is to leave it to it's own machinations and the whole system will collapse with everyone spreading the truth about it.
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This is the ignorant comment that came out of obama's mouth the other day.
Needless to say it is a truely ignorant statement and not the first time he has said something similar about the private sector.
Of course this is also coming from a guy that never ran a business in his life. So he has no clue about what is going on.
Most business owners i know (which is quite a few) when they started and even now. They maxed out credit worked 80+ hours a week, begged banks to get loans, didn't take pay checks etc to make it work.
This just goes back to Obama's war on prosperity and class warfare. If you are successful and own your own company then you owe someone else for your hard earned work.
Then he wonders why the economy isn't back up and kicking.
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Was that the quote? That makes the article even funnier - because its a case example of why Obama's quote was right.
Where did the kids get the idea for a lemonade stand?
Who taught them about money?
Who gave them the equipment to get started?
I'm not saying Obama was right, but to try and disprove it with a case example proving his point is idiocy of the highest order.
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they themselves thought up the idea for the lemonade stand.
they wanted to learn themselves where their parents got the money from.
their parents own and run a business.
i am sure their parents helped start them out. like most businesses get a line of credit or use a credit card or a 2nd mortgage on the house.
Given their success according to the article they are now paying for their own supplies.
it is all right there in the article.
i am not saying this is the best example because it isn't. Yet the girls are correct the federal government hasn't swooped in and made them successful. it is their hard work and effort that has done it.
They came up with the idea.
they worked on the idea
they marketed the idea
and now they have a successful business.
no where did i see government making it for them (which is what obama proposed in his statement).
It was a stupid comment to make. very stupid comment.
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This is different from any other point in history, how? Gold for the most part only has artistic and monetary value, outside of that the value can change directly. Silver and other such metals hold higher use value because of their production value and use in products. Copper is easily the most valuable metal. Beyond that, though, is land which I don't think either of us would argue about intrinsic value there. Yet, as each cycle through out history that metals are not hedge against inflation such as the great silver inflation from the massive silver extraction during Spanish colonialism sent a wave of inflation that hit even the Tang. The fixation on wealth extraction through metals and diamonds and such still creates massive perverse economic incentives in the short term when it comes to land and human labor relations.
Anarchism when we begin to approach where practiced was focused on clan governmental structures that freely associated with each other, but lacked a centralization of power to create a mechanism for final violence against offenders. The Icelandic failures with their jurist system holds this to be hardly not the system.
Equally, the rise of federalism in the states was in reaction to economic problems and hegemony. The exact arguments for federalism was the tendency in confederations for a hegemon to emerge. During the Commercial Revolution during the middle ages with the rise of family backed corporations such as the Medici or prior to that the rise of the Knights Templar as a money and security international corporation shows that corporatization can come through various mechanisms from the ground up without necessarily current governmental structures. The Knights Templars were from the Catholic Church, and the Medici overtime were just a family that sent people abroad. Or the rise of the church after the anarchy that beset in after Rome.
In the modern era the rise of gang-tribes with business based economics to sell market based goods and compete through warlordism and such doesn't suit that all bottom up "governments that aren't quite governments."
In each instance in a power vacuum someone comes along, forms an elite, takes over, and instill in themselves power over other people subsidized through wealth and violence. Since in part whenever informal governments become formal governments happens not so much through chance or haphazardness rather through fiat of cultural precedence.
Which reinforces a different point, what "stuff" exists for thousands of years that people keep consuming? The only thing that stands beyond market and empire are cities. City-states tend to have centralized governments of one form or another that reflects it's larger brethren the nation-states. They are also build around land and geographic advantages that lends themselves to better positions to facilitate economic activity and the only thing that holds truer intrinsic value than metal; land and people.
Ambition must be made to counteract ambition.
Individualities may form communities, but it is institutions alone that can create a nation.
Nothing succeeds like the appearance of success.
Here is my principle: Taxes shall be levied according to ability to pay. That is the only American principle.
Apparently belief is now comparable to tangible objects.
Bit of a stretch, don't you think?
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Though I'll put it in a small font.
Please stop hijacking my reply box.
People, who are atheist, are affected by the Bible and more likely to tell the truth. Belief is a good word for these objects, however the problem becomes that there have been various mechanisms for money ranging from shells to exchanging women as a form of currency. The gold argument has been apparently used to justify because "it keeps showing up," but I question whether that's from cultural impulses when you consider the three main continents traded with each other in some fashion over harsh environments than anything really attractive about gold and more as appearance to the times.
Gold as a form of currency has it's problems, where as fiat goes inflationary the deflationary problems aren't that great either especially in the wake of banking panics and such. Thus far gold going to notes and forms of abstract ownership in the form of futures is now traded as a currency to be able to own oil without "truly owning oil" is the whole concept that underlines what originated with bank notes. Which can be expanded to only being able to trade in durable goods without the use of any notes altogether, which triggers people to create new currencies from the currency in current circulation by cutting down the slivers and ingots which in itself is nongovernmental inflation therefore reinforcing another aspect of fiat's utility in that it is easier to carry and easier to spread around to derive market based activities.
Monetary policy, fiscal policy, and regulatory policy all interconnect as well as to the direct rise of hegemons and institutions that limit choice and decrease transaction costs at the same time. Equally, to the nature of confederacy and provincial states has their own unique characteristics that have unique levels for cost benefit analysis.
Ambition must be made to counteract ambition.
Individualities may form communities, but it is institutions alone that can create a nation.
Nothing succeeds like the appearance of success.
Here is my principle: Taxes shall be levied according to ability to pay. That is the only American principle.
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tl;dr: They're not the same, I mostly just wanted to try and make them sound like they are.
Because we care about facts.
Intrinsic value is based upon the work and methods required to extract or produce said good. Usage value is merely a market pricing action and has little to no effect on the actual intrinsic value of the said good. Copper has little intrinsic value, as it's GPM is relatively high even in the most drained of reserves.
Land only has intrinsic value if it's tillable. Non-tillable land is essentially worthless. As I stated in the other thread, the Inflation was due to protectionism and Government actions. The increase of Silver did not actually result in making the silver easier to mine, or make it lose value, it merely made it so the amount available could be consumed and abused by the government of Spain. The value of the Silver was still there, it was just misrepresented by the sudden and rapid increase of the amount in a locality. I'm sure if you asked the Natives they stole the Silver from, Silver would hold a larger amount of value to them after it was stolen. That is if they understood what it was in the first place.
The Jurist system is completely unrelated to modern Anarchist Philosophy. The Jurist system was still based on Tribal lords and uncivilized invaders before the readily available method of self defense was possible. The knowledge of firearms was virtually non-existence. This is about advancing Man kind, not about trying other systems that have failed in the past.
Feudalism was a direct effect of Statism. Everything you just suggested there was built upon the networks of the Church, which were highly statist and coerced funding for those endeavors from the practitioners they had previously indoctrinated.
It worked in Somalia until the UN decided that they needed a "proper" government.
So what you are saying is that a truly free and stateless society can not reasonably exist as long as people result to the violence and coercion of the state to subjugate people that do not live with a statist system, then yes I agree with you. This is why many of us that have spent the time to understand what Bastiat, Mises, Hayek, Rothbard, and many more were writing about have taken upon ourselves through a personal choice to share what we have learned. In essence the injustices of the Fiat paper based system, the immorality of corporate like influences and state-based war will never end until we rid people of this foolish notion that we can not get along and live peacefully in cooperation with each other. We as individuals need to accept that Government is merely a fiction created in our minds, and the State is really Individual action based up collective coercion and threats of force.
People do not hold Intrinsic value. Markets trump all. All empires fall to the inefficiencies and malinvestments of their markets. We are seeing the Western Empire centered around NATO falling right before our eyes at this very moment. No human or "State" can bend the laws of Physics, and thusly none can violate the inherent economics or the laws that govern them.
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This article in itself, is stupid. And thus, engaging in debate over it is also stupid.
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No the quotes are not made up he said them in a campaign speech it was either in VA or PA.
It was a whole part of his people need to give back because they are successful IE they are not paying their fair share.
in the same speech he claims to have cut trillions of dollars. if this was the case then well he wouldn't have a deficit of 1.6 trillion. so his numbers aren't adding up some where.
really? you have to make millions of dollars in revenue to make it? I don't know to many small business that make that kind of money. nor do i know any small business that owns several chains.
no the article brings a point that it is people with idea's that make, and create jobs and wealth for other people. not the government. compare the two a person that owns his own business vs someone that lives off the government. one has the posibility of being rich and making it the other will never have the possibility.
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How about Sam Walton, who went from a country kid to the founder of what would become Wal-Mart and Sam's Club?
Or Herman Cain, who was born in segregated Tennessee to a cleaning woman and her barber husband who eventually became CEO of Godfather's Pizza and a Republican Presidential primary contender?
Or the former CEO of Best Buy (who recently stepped down over corruption allegations) who began his career as a cashier at Best Buy?
Or any of the current group of first generation millionaires? (A first generation millionaire being a person who made their money as opposed to inheriting it).