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Old 08-07-2012, 10:45 AM   #16
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I'll throw in agreement that the changing colors are just plain bad times. If you really want to use different colors, can we have one color for sets, one for standalone products, and one for promos instead of having the nightmare rainbow we have now?
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Old 08-07-2012, 11:11 AM   #17
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2. The goal of this tag is to make any speculation tag obsolete. Since tags will only be used within the rumor mill proper and are open to any poster adding them when creating a thread, we can better distinguish between what is speculation and what is a rumor without adding a redundant [Spec] tag to all posts within the speculation subforum.
This I really don't get. How would the tags do anything to differentiate between an actual rumored card and some poster's misplaced speculation thread? Let me give an example:

[M14] - New Garruk
[M14] - Basic Lands Confirmed

Here we got two threads. The first one is actually a poster talking about Garruk's character and how it has progressed in the last year, so it would only make sense to give Garruk a new card. The second thread is artwork for the basic lands in M14. But, before knowing any of that, how would you be able to tell? Honestly, the only way I could see to make speculation and rumors different in tags is to add even more colors, but that really wouldn't do anything either. If the OP is the one that needs to tag the thread, they'll likely just use the 'rumor color' over the set's 'speculation color'. After all, they screwed up not putting it in the speculation subforum so it's not a far stretch to think they wouldn't screw that up, too. Not to mention that more colors is exactly what we don't need.

And that's why I don't get your second point. Unless I completely missed what your were on about.

Also, ax the colors. Other than making our board look as if a unicorn vomited on the front page, they add absolutely nothing. In fact, they actually make everything worse by turning it into one massive eyesore, or by making tags hidden under certain skins. If people are looking for certain tags or sets, why can't they use that search function you were talking about?

Finally, did this actually do anything different than what we have now? The tags and everything? I thought the rumor mill already used tags on it's threads, but I suppose it's nice to have a concise tag for promos.
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Old 08-07-2012, 11:25 AM   #18
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This I really don't get. How would the tags do anything to differentiate between an actual rumored card and some poster's misplaced speculation thread? Let me give an example:

[M14] - New Garruk
[M14] - Basic Lands Confirmed

Here we got two threads. The first one is actually a poster talking about Garruk's character and how it has progressed in the last year, so it would only make sense to give Garruk a new card. The second thread is artwork for the basic lands in M14. But, before knowing any of that, how would you be able to tell? Honestly, the only way I could see to make speculation and rumors different in tags is to add even more colors, but that really wouldn't do anything either. If the OP is the one that needs to tag the thread, they'll likely just use the 'rumor color' over the set's 'speculation color'. After all, they screwed up not putting it in the speculation subforum so it's not a far stretch to think they wouldn't screw that up, too. Not to mention that more colors is exactly what we don't need.

And that's why I don't get your second point. Unless I completely missed what your were on about.

Also, ax the colors. Other than making our board look as if a unicorn vomited on the front page, they add absolutely nothing. In fact, they actually make everything worse by turning it into one massive eyesore, or by making tags hidden under certain skins. If people are looking for certain tags or sets, why can't they use that search function you were talking about?

Finally, did this actually do anything different than what we have now? The tags and everything? I thought the rumor mill already used tags on it's threads, but I suppose it's nice to have a concise tag for promos.
If the thread is misplaced in the Mill instead of speculation, yes that will still be a problem. Moving the thread will remove the prefix. There is no prefix for speculation, therefor having a prefix already distinguishes them from speculation.

Also, these tags appear visually different than simply typing [RTR]
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Old 08-07-2012, 11:32 AM   #19
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Do appreciate the effort, but unfortunately the colors are awkward to read. The colors might make sense logically, but my eye is constantly being drawn to the tag instead of the topic title as I'm reading.
Logical ≠ Usable/Readable.

Any of these would be easier to read (for me anyway):

1. The entire topic title is the color of the tag (e.g. all of "[FTV] – From the Vault: Realms Partial Spoiler" is orange/peach/whatever color that is)

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2. Take a look at http://www.fark.com/ 's front page. The tags are a column of images on the left side. This is readable. Perhaps we could use expansion symbols like this?

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3. (as someone else suggested) All tags are the same color.

EDIT: Added an option, grammar mistakes, etc.

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Old 08-07-2012, 11:43 AM   #20
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The colors seem a bit better now-
the only one that still bothers me is the radioactive green one for [DvD].

Maybe it could be a dark turquoise or purple instead?
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Old 08-07-2012, 11:45 AM   #21
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Do appreciate the effort, but unfortunately the colors are awkward to read. The colors might make sense logically, but my eye is constantly being drawn to the tag instead of the topic title as I'm reading.
Logical ≠ Usable/Readable.

Any of these would be easier to read (for me anyway):

1. The entire topic title is the color of the tag (e.g. all of "[FTV] – From the Vault: Realms Partial Spoiler" is orange/peach/whatever color that is)

or

2. Take a look at http://www.fark.com/ 's front page. The tags are a column of images on the left side. This is readable. Perhaps we could use expansion symbols like this?

or

3. (as someone else suggested) All tags are the same color.

EDIT: Added an option, grammar mistakes, etc.
The only option that our forum software can handle is making them all the same color.
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Old 08-07-2012, 11:47 AM   #22
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As a former vBulletin designer, this is a weak design that none of us use on our own boards. It adds clutter. But to each their own.
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Old 08-07-2012, 11:48 AM   #23
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Can't we just use black for all of the prefixes? The color seems overly cute and a bit... loud, if you will, and if the prefixes are primarily in place for official-ness and searchability on the fora, the color is also irrelevant.
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Old 08-07-2012, 12:16 PM   #24
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The colors are really distracting. I find it more difficult to find a thread I want. I'd appreciate if you'd at least consider using a single color.
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Old 08-07-2012, 01:00 PM   #25
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When RTR rumor season goes into full swing, this change will be appreciated more.

I, for one, think it's great.
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Old 08-07-2012, 01:12 PM   #26
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I like it, but i think it should all just be a bold black that stands out.

For Fakes I like the idea of the bright red however, that would be a good deterrent.
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Old 08-07-2012, 01:25 PM   #27
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If colors are going to be used light and dark colors should be avoided. The original yellow for RTR (and the current gold color) doesn't show up very well on the default skin. The black M13 is invisible and the blue Promo is difficult to read on a couple of the darker skins.

This will have to be addressed if we don't use colors at all: the tags need to use the same color as the thread title otherwise black won't show up in the darker skins.

I messed around a bit with the RTR color and I find that this purple looks nice while remaining readable on all skins.. That's #C53DEB.
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Old 08-07-2012, 01:29 PM   #28
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I have to admit, the array of colors is actually rather distracting to me. I am willing to give it a spin and see how it goes but looking at the page now it feels... more difficult to read.
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Old 08-07-2012, 01:39 PM   #29
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I played around with some different colors for a few of the prefixes. They all appear readable on all skins:
RTR: #C53DEB
FTV: #EO7A28
M13: #666666
Promo: #5D81C9
COMM: #5C8A8A
DOTP: #006000
DvD: #2E992E
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Old 08-07-2012, 01:50 PM   #30
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Perhaps a simpler color scheme?

Red: Information which hasn't been officially confirmed about a future product.
Blue: News/officially confirmed information.
Black: Old news (Red and blue tags are changed to this when the product is released).
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