Hello, and welcome to Checks & Balances Mafia, the inaugural game for the MTGS Mafia League Beta Season!
This game is near-flavorless, similar to Ged's Normal. This is an 18-player game, of Normal complexity. If/when replacements are needed, those that have signed up for the league will be given first choice of replacing in.
There will be no spectator thread.
Rules (A conglomeration & editing of existing rulesets)
0) Know the rules. Ignorance isn't going to cut it.
1) When you are dead, do not post, not even "bah." Do not discuss the game with any other soul on the planet besides me.
2) Do not edit or delete your posts. Do not quote any PMs, including (but not limited to) Role PMs. Do not threaten to be modkilled. You will be modkilled if you do any of those things, with further league repercussion. I will have the game thread subscribed for post-by-post messaging, your lightning-edits will not work.
3) No crypto-claiming or crypto-text. Modkill, etc.
4) Everyone has the power to vote. Vote in bold or your vote does not count. You do not need to unvote before changing your vote, but it will make my life easier. Votes at the beginning of a line will also be helpful. Votes inside quotes/spoilers will not be counted.
5) It takes a majority to lynch, and a majority to end a day with no lynch. In the event of a Day ending with a deadline, the player with the most votes will be lynched.
6) Do not communicate at night or day unless your role PM says otherwise. Modkill, etc.
7) I will not answer game-related questions in thread. PM me for best results.
8) If you anticipate being unavailable for more than a 48 hour period, please post a notice to that effect in the thread and/or to me. You are expected to post every 48 hours without prior notice. Otherwise, you may be prodded or replaced without warning. Three prods will lead to forced replacement, and corresponding league repercussions.
9) Night actions not submitted by the given deadline will not take place barring extreme circumstances.
10) Please bold any moderator requests. 11) The Town Win Condition is: Eliminate all threats to the town. There will be no win condition listed in any town role PM.
12) Have fun, and play with respect. This beta season is a trial run, and we are all guinea pigs. Don't try to abuse anything, utilize loopholes, or do anything else that seems against the spirit of the game or league. If an issue presents itself, please PM me first.
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4. (L) Void 9. (L) Cyouni
11. Voxxicus**
Dead: (15/18) 0. Iso - Vanilla Town - Killed Night 0
8. (L) Foxlet (L) SharkFinnigan - Mafia Godfather - Lynched Day 1
6. (L) Kpaca* - Vanilla Town - Killed Night 1
7. (L) Reya Cookiebringer** - Mafia Rolecop - Lynched Day 2
13. (L) Dancing Mad* - Neutral Hitman - Killed Night 2
17. (L) MandersHex** - Vanilla Town - Killed Night 3
2. (L) Archmage Eternal*** - Town Cop - Killed Night 3
14. infectiousbaloth - Town Bulletproof - Lynched Day 4
12. (L) SilverSihhe -Town Redirector - Killed Night 4
1. (L) Emo_Pinata** RobRoy - Mafia Roleblocker - Lynched Day 5
16. (L) Deathjoey* (L) Raging Levine* - Town Jailer - Killed Night 5
18. (L) Jobie* - Town Angel - Killed Night 5
15. (L) TheIceMan** (L) Wheat_Grinder - Town Doctor - Lynched Day 6
5. (L) Ahlyis - Neutral Survivor - Killed Night 6
10. (L) Cyan - Town Gunsmith - Killed Night 6
3. (L) GrickyTimmick* - Mafia Ninja - Lynched Day 7
A deadline of (<# of players> + <lynch threshold> + <2*[Number of replacements]> = Deadline in Days) 18+10+2=30 Days has been retroactively implemented.
If there has not been a lynch by11:59 PM EST Sept 9, the day will end in a lynch of whomever has the most votes.
Hopefully that kpaca doesn't kill him until later in the game (or near the end of the day, depending on how things roll).
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Hopefully that kpaca doesn't kill him until later in the game (or near the end of the day, depending on how things roll).
ModG_o_D: I'll be unavailable over this weekend, expect posting to resume around 7PM CDT on Monday. I may be able to sneak a couple posts in while I help my girlfriend move out, but highly unlikely.
Cause school just got out but now you are going to make me go find out what millers are...bah more homework
Vote: Foxlet
For a townie, learning what a miller is means a potential lead. For a scum, it's a chore necessary to keep up with what's going on. You are regarding it as the latter.
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For a townie, learning what a miller is means a potential lead. For a scum, it's a chore necessary to keep up with what's going on. You are regarding it as the latter.
I tend to research roles as I come across them in games and I haven't played a game with a miller yet I wish all my homework and took less than 2 minutes
I have but not a ton and non of them had millers. I only knew they were a town role because someone mentioned them in I believe it was my first game Cirque (but it could have been Trisk my second game). They started going on about death millers and I was like :eyes glazing:
I didn't look them up since they weren't relevant to that game at the time
I have but not a ton and non of them had millers. I only knew they were a town role because someone mentioned them in I believe it was my first game Cirque (but it could have been Trisk my second game). They started going on about death millers and I was like :eyes glazing:
I didn't look them up since they weren't relevant to that game at the time
You playing the ignorance card doesn't sit well with me.
Why do you wait for the unknown to come prior to looking up the information?
How are you able to understand the games you are reading if you don't know certain roles/information?
Over a miller? What do you think he's trying to pull?
I don't see an issue at all here. Theres plenty of roles out there. Whats the issue of not knowing one that you haven't been involved with?
How about going on behavior and not giving everyone a pass on what they claim?
Its very simple. Ask or go look them up. What your doing here is smearing to paint Fox in a scummy light.
Vote Void
Kpacas mouth must be watering reading this game.
You could be attempting to push a more serious tone on to something that could be a joke.
Fox (she) could be trying to pull a number of things in that post. Asking questions is the only way to find out what Fox is thinking.
AE, have you played any games with Fox?
I am in no way smearing Fox for the questions I have asked. Nor am I calling Fox scum at this point. Her posts this far have done nothing for me to show indication of her alignment.
How is a player suppose to gain a read on someone without asking questions related to the subject at hand?
Over a miller? What do you think he's trying to pull?
I don't see an issue at all here. Theres plenty of roles out there. Whats the issue of not knowing one that you haven't been involved with?
How about going on behavior and not giving everyone a pass on what they claim?
Its very simple. Ask or go look them up. What your doing here is smearing to paint Fox in a scummy light.
Vote Void
Kpacas mouth must be watering reading this game.
Not sure what you are seeing here, because Void's posts re: Foxlet seem extremely pro-town to me.
You could be attempting to push a more serious tone on to something that could be a joke.
Me? What?
Fox (she) could be trying to pull a number of things in that post. Asking questions is the only way to find out what Fox is thinking.
You have an issue with her asking what a certain role is?
AE, have you played any games with Fox?
Whats the relevance? Two I believe. No millers
I am in no way smearing Fox for the questions I have asked. Nor am I calling Fox scum at this point. Her posts this far have done nothing for me to show indication of her alignment.
"playing ignorance" is not smearing? "Not sitting well with you does not indicate you think she is townie. More like scummy.
How is a player suppose to gain a read on someone without asking questions related to the subject at hand?
What your asking has nothing to do with town/scum.
Not sure what you are seeing here, because Void's posts re: Foxlet seem extremely pro-town to me.
I see it as Void prodn' Fox until a time when DM comes back and says it was a serious vote, then he has a foundation to place his vote. I don't see anything pro-town about asking these type of questions.
You have an issue with her asking what a certain role is?
Whats the relevance? Two I believe. No millers
"playing ignorance" is not smearing? "Not sitting well with you does not indicate you think she is townie. More like scummy.
What your asking has nothing to do with town/scum.
Are you saying you're incapable of an ulterior motive?
Yes, because I believe the comment to be forced at the moment based on games we have played together.
The relevance is that you would know how Fox plays. Fox is a smart player. Claiming to not know what a certain role is did not seem like the Fox I know from other games.
Explain how it is smearing please. Also, I can have something not sit well with me and have a null read on the person still.
Asking questions does not help with finding town or scum? Please elaborate more on this. I want a better understanding of what you mean.
Hmm. I found Void's initial post (#23) relatively scummy - the question feels extremely empty. His subsequent posts, on the other hand, seem perfectly fine. Particularly the reasoned explanation that "I am in no way smearing Fox" in #30.
Look at that. I'm already messing up. Got Cyouni and AE mixed up a bit there for a moment.
AE, disregard the first comment in my the post that I responded to you in. Idk why, but I thought you were the one who had asked DMad if his vote was serious.
For a townie, learning what a miller is means a potential lead. For a scum, it's a chore necessary to keep up with what's going on. You are regarding it as the latter.
you should answer voids question when possible, cause this sounds serious, as well as being the second vote on Foxlet.
Over a miller? What do you think he's trying to pull?
I don't see an issue at all here. Theres plenty of roles out there. Whats the issue of not knowing one that you haven't been involved with?
How about going on behavior and not giving everyone a pass on what they claim?
Its very simple. Ask or go look them up. What your doing here is smearing to paint Fox in a scummy light.
Vote Void
Kpacas mouth must be watering reading this game.
Don't really agree with the vote, but I agree with the message in this post. I see nothing wrong with Foxlet not knowing what a Miller is.
Cause school just got out but now you are going to make me go find out what millers are...bah more homework
This post is all RVS stuff. If you think that that is playing an ignorance card then you must really need someone to bus.
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Yes, because I believe the comment to be forced at the moment based on games we have played together.
Below you said you don't know what to think. Here you say its forced.
So she was understanding of all the roles in that game? Does it mean she grasps all roles?
The relevance is that you would know how Fox plays. Fox is a smart player. Claiming to not know what a certain role is did not seem like the Fox I know from other games.
Pointless. Even if I know she has a complete grasp on everything mafia whats the significance of her lying about not knowing what a miller is? What implications would it have on the game state here? Do you think we're going to give her a free pass because she doesn't know?
Explain how it is smearing please. Also, I can have something not sit well with me and have a null read on the person still.
But you found the need to make it known. If its null theres no reason to bring it up unless you want to see which way the player base goes. Thats scummy.
Asking questions does not help with finding town or scum? Please elaborate more on this. I want a better understanding of what you mean.
Did I say that? Please be more scummy? Your questioning her on how/when she learns of a role. Who cares? For the longest time I was unfamillar with bus driver and jailer. Heard them never played with them. I still can't give you an exact on a bus driver. Never bothered to look into it.
I tend to research roles as I come across them in games and I haven't played a game with a miller yet I wish all my homework and took less than 2 minutes
I'm not doubting that.
To clarify: I don't think Foxlet is lying about having seen a miller before or anything as ridiculous as that. My issue is that the way she reacted to seeing a miller claim for the first time was scummy. I just sat at a comp screen for like 30 mins trying, but I can't really explain it any better than I did in my last post.
To clarify: I don't think Foxlet is lying about having seen a miller before or anything as ridiculous as that. My issue is that the way she reacted to seeing a miller claim for the first time was scummy. I just sat at a comp screen for like 30 mins trying, but I can't really explain it any better than I did in my last post.
For a townie, learning what a miller is means a potential lead. For a scum, it's a chore necessary to keep up with what's going on. You are regarding it as the latter.
Well lets look. As scum it would mean they don't have daytalk. Also that she just doesn't ignore it and ask at night.
Could the reaction have anything to do with "Feel free to vig me "? Have you considered that? 'Why would someone be fine with being vig'? 'What kind of role is that'?
The relevance is that you would know how Fox plays. Fox is a smart player. Claiming to not know what a certain role is did not seem like the Fox I know from other games.
I'm smart enough to know how I learn best...which is by relevance. Its always the way I always play, I've just never mentioned it before. I didn't know what a cult was either until I needed to know
If it "could be" a joke rather than "is" a joke, then what ulterior motive could there be for knowing whether it is a joke or not?
And, yes, I do believe it is serious, which is why I asked that question.
I LOVE RVS because I love to shenanigans about It was poking fun at myself in a way...as in I didn't know what a miller was, and a joke as in I was comparing it to my homework (Law, statistics, accounting, and other crappy things).
I mean really, why would I compare something I do for fun and enjoyment to something I really hate doing except as a joke
Well lets look. As scum it would mean they don't have daytalk. Also that she just doesn't ignore it and ask at night.
Could the reaction have anything to do with "Feel free to vig me "? Have you considered that? 'Why would someone be fine with being vig'? 'What kind of role is that'?
I don't think theres any ill intent there.
I don't get exactly what you're saying in the second paragraph, but I think you're missing my point.
I don't find the fact that she needed to look up what a miller is to be scummy either. It's that she made a joke about it, comparing it to homework. To a townie, they would have the kind of reaction you say in the second paragraph. Personally, I would be excited about the claim. It wouldn't occur to me, even jokingly, to compare it to homework.
Obviously it's not the best tell in the world, but this early it is certainly worth a vote.
I don't get exactly what you're saying in the second paragraph, but I think you're missing my point.
I don't find the fact that she needed to look up what a miller is to be scummy either. It's that she made a joke about it, comparing it to homework. To a townie, they would have the kind of reaction you say in the second paragraph. Personally, I would be excited about the claim. It wouldn't occur to me, even jokingly, to compare it to homework.
Obviously it's not the best tell in the world, but this early it is certainly worth a vote.
I don't get exactly what you're saying in the second paragraph, but I think you're missing my point.
I don't find the fact that she needed to look up what a miller is to be scummy either. It's that she made a joke about it, comparing it to homework. To a townie, they would have the kind of reaction you say in the second paragraph. Personally, I would be excited about the claim. It wouldn't occur to me, even jokingly, to compare it to homework.
Obviously it's not the best tell in the world, but this early it is certainly worth a vote.
I could see a rebuttal to this that if she's had to look up a lot of things recently, having to research another roll would come across as less than pleasant in her mind. It might be that she herself has a role that she's never seen before, or maybe the same situation occurred in another game.
I'll note that I, also, had never heard of a miller before...but I didn't have any trouble looking it up on the wiki. If I had already needed to look up multiple things, I could see myself viewing the task as more of a chore, however.
While I don't think that this suggests anything necessarily about Foxlet's alignment, I do think that the questions being asked reflect well on Void. My gut isn't seeing AE in quite as good of a light for some reason -- I really don't have any reasoning to back that up. I just looked back over his posts, and I don't see anything particularly suspicious about them....Void's just read more sincere to me, I guess.
This game is near-flavorless, similar to Ged's Normal. This is an 18-player game, of Normal complexity. If/when replacements are needed, those that have signed up for the league will be given first choice of replacing in.
There will be no spectator thread.
Rules (A conglomeration & editing of existing rulesets)
0) Know the rules. Ignorance isn't going to cut it.
1) When you are dead, do not post, not even "bah." Do not discuss the game with any other soul on the planet besides me.
2) Do not edit or delete your posts. Do not quote any PMs, including (but not limited to) Role PMs. Do not threaten to be modkilled. You will be modkilled if you do any of those things, with further league repercussion. I will have the game thread subscribed for post-by-post messaging, your lightning-edits will not work.
3) No crypto-claiming or crypto-text. Modkill, etc.
4) Everyone has the power to vote. Vote in bold or your vote does not count. You do not need to unvote before changing your vote, but it will make my life easier. Votes at the beginning of a line will also be helpful. Votes inside quotes/spoilers will not be counted.
5) It takes a majority to lynch, and a majority to end a day with no lynch. In the event of a Day ending with a deadline, the player with the most votes will be lynched.
6) Do not communicate at night or day unless your role PM says otherwise. Modkill, etc.
7) I will not answer game-related questions in thread. PM me for best results.
8) If you anticipate being unavailable for more than a 48 hour period, please post a notice to that effect in the thread and/or to me. You are expected to post every 48 hours without prior notice. Otherwise, you may be prodded or replaced without warning. Three prods will lead to forced replacement, and corresponding league repercussions.
9) Night actions not submitted by the given deadline will not take place barring extreme circumstances.
10) Please bold any moderator requests.
11) The Town Win Condition is: Eliminate all threats to the town. There will be no win condition listed in any town role PM.
12) Have fun, and play with respect. This beta season is a trial run, and we are all guinea pigs. Don't try to abuse anything, utilize loopholes, or do anything else that seems against the spirit of the game or league. If an issue presents itself, please PM me first.
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You are Iso, Vanilla Town.
You have no abilities outside of your vote.
Please respond to this PM to confirm, or if you have any questions.
4. (L) Void
9. (L) Cyouni
11. Voxxicus**
Dead: (15/18)
0. Iso - Vanilla Town - Killed Night 0
8.
(L) Foxlet(L) SharkFinnigan - Mafia Godfather - Lynched Day 16. (L) Kpaca* - Vanilla Town - Killed Night 1
7. (L) Reya Cookiebringer** - Mafia Rolecop - Lynched Day 2
13. (L) Dancing Mad* - Neutral Hitman - Killed Night 2
17. (L) MandersHex** - Vanilla Town - Killed Night 3
2. (L) Archmage Eternal*** - Town Cop - Killed Night 3
14. infectiousbaloth - Town Bulletproof - Lynched Day 4
12. (L) SilverSihhe -Town Redirector - Killed Night 4
1.
(L) Emo_Pinata**RobRoy - Mafia Roleblocker - Lynched Day 516.
(L) Deathjoey*(L) Raging Levine* - Town Jailer - Killed Night 518.
(L) Jobie*- Town Angel - Killed Night 515.
(L) TheIceMan**(L) Wheat_Grinder - Town Doctor - Lynched Day 65. (L) Ahlyis - Neutral Survivor - Killed Night 6
10. (L) Cyan - Town Gunsmith - Killed Night 6
3. (L) GrickyTimmick* - Mafia Ninja - Lynched Day 7
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VC#3, Prod Change(192)
VC#4 (246)
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VC#5 (328)
VC#6 (449)
VC#7 (501)
VC#8 (573)
VC#9 (623)
Day 1 Lynch (629)
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VC#10 (705)
VC#11 (819)
VC#12, corrections (849)
VC#13 (931)
VC#14 (985)
VC#15 (1057)
Replacements (1076)
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Day 2 Lynch, Deathjoey Replacement (1172)
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VC#17 (1254)
Day 3 Lynch (1399)
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VC#18 (1437)
VC#19 (1551)
VC#20 (1594)
Day 4 Lynch (1642)
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Day 5 Lynch (1733)
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VC#22 (1752)
Day 6 lynch (1802)
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Let's get this show in the road. *pops champagne cork*
It is now Day 1. With 18 alive, it's 10 to (no) lynch!
They hate us cause they ain't us.
If there has not been a lynch by 11:59 PM EST Sept 9, the day will end in a lynch of whomever has the most votes.
There you go Kpaca. Have fun.
They hate us cause they ain't us.
Obviously if there's another miller they should instantly counter-claim, but yeah.
Behavioral analysis, with maybe a late game vig if we are uncertain is probably the best route.
Vote: Foxlet while I'm at it.
Hopefully that kpaca doesn't kill him until later in the game (or near the end of the day, depending on how things roll).
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Here you go Kpaca. Have fun.
They hate us cause they ain't us.
They hate us cause they ain't us.
What makes him town to you? All I see is advocating shooting the miller claim, which seems kind of dumb at this point.
Vote: Vox for claiming Mafia Don!
Cause school just got out but now you are going to make me go find out what millers are...bah more homework
Do you advocate Cyouni being shot at some point?
Vote: Foxlet
For a townie, learning what a miller is means a potential lead. For a scum, it's a chore necessary to keep up with what's going on. You are regarding it as the latter.
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Ok.
With Cyan & Cyouni both in the game, this vote isn't specific enough. (yes, context, etc, you get my point)
E: Reya will be V/LA this weekend.
Dancing Mad, is that a serious vote?
Hey, get this math out of my Mafia game.
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I tend to research roles as I come across them in games and I haven't played a game with a miller yet I wish all my homework and took less than 2 minutes
Oops forgot about Cyan, my bad
MANDERS!
Have you read any games on this site?
I have but not a ton and non of them had millers. I only knew they were a town role because someone mentioned them in I believe it was my first game Cirque (but it could have been Trisk my second game). They started going on about death millers and I was like :eyes glazing:
I didn't look them up since they weren't relevant to that game at the time
You playing the ignorance card doesn't sit well with me.
Why do you wait for the unknown to come prior to looking up the information?
How are you able to understand the games you are reading if you don't know certain roles/information?
Relevance?
Over a miller? What do you think he's trying to pull?
I don't see an issue at all here. Theres plenty of roles out there. Whats the issue of not knowing one that you haven't been involved with?
How about going on behavior and not giving everyone a pass on what they claim?
Its very simple. Ask or go look them up. What your doing here is smearing to paint Fox in a scummy light.
Vote Void
Kpacas mouth must be watering reading this game.
They hate us cause they ain't us.
You could be attempting to push a more serious tone on to something that could be a joke.
Fox (she) could be trying to pull a number of things in that post. Asking questions is the only way to find out what Fox is thinking.
AE, have you played any games with Fox?
I am in no way smearing Fox for the questions I have asked. Nor am I calling Fox scum at this point. Her posts this far have done nothing for me to show indication of her alignment.
How is a player suppose to gain a read on someone without asking questions related to the subject at hand?
Not sure what you are seeing here, because Void's posts re: Foxlet seem extremely pro-town to me.
Me? What?
You have an issue with her asking what a certain role is?
Whats the relevance? Two I believe. No millers
"playing ignorance" is not smearing? "Not sitting well with you does not indicate you think she is townie. More like scummy.
What your asking has nothing to do with town/scum.
They hate us cause they ain't us.
I see it as Void prodn' Fox until a time when DM comes back and says it was a serious vote, then he has a foundation to place his vote. I don't see anything pro-town about asking these type of questions.
They hate us cause they ain't us.
Are you saying you're incapable of an ulterior motive?
Yes, because I believe the comment to be forced at the moment based on games we have played together.
The relevance is that you would know how Fox plays. Fox is a smart player. Claiming to not know what a certain role is did not seem like the Fox I know from other games.
Explain how it is smearing please. Also, I can have something not sit well with me and have a null read on the person still.
Asking questions does not help with finding town or scum? Please elaborate more on this. I want a better understanding of what you mean.
AE, disregard the first comment in my the post that I responded to you in. Idk why, but I thought you were the one who had asked DMad if his vote was serious.
you should answer voids question when possible, cause this sounds serious, as well as being the second vote on Foxlet.
And this is the third vote on Foxlet. Jokey or not, three votes on one person within 35 posts is suspicious to me.
lolwut? I don't get it, are you calling Foxlet scummy for learning the game a different way than you?
Don't really agree with the vote, but I agree with the message in this post. I see nothing wrong with Foxlet not knowing what a Miller is.
Agree with this too. Void posts early game as town are very paranoid and full of questions. This is his MO.
For clarities sake, this is the first Foxlet vote, but since I'm assuming this is a RVS vote, it's of little suspicion or consequence.
No. I'm not sure what to think of her not knowing what a Miller is. It came across as strange to me therefore I thought I would question Fox about it.
This post is all RVS stuff. If you think that that is playing an ignorance card then you must really need someone to bus.
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And, yes, I do believe it is serious, which is why I asked that question.
Below you said you don't know what to think. Here you say its forced.
So she was understanding of all the roles in that game? Does it mean she grasps all roles?
Pointless. Even if I know she has a complete grasp on everything mafia whats the significance of her lying about not knowing what a miller is? What implications would it have on the game state here? Do you think we're going to give her a free pass because she doesn't know?
But you found the need to make it known. If its null theres no reason to bring it up unless you want to see which way the player base goes. Thats scummy.
Did I say that? Please be more scummy? Your questioning her on how/when she learns of a role. Who cares? For the longest time I was unfamillar with bus driver and jailer. Heard them never played with them. I still can't give you an exact on a bus driver. Never bothered to look into it.
Theres nothing paranoid about it. He's painting her into a not so good light over something trivial and meaningless.
How many games has she played Void?
They hate us cause they ain't us.
Yeah, it's serious. Though, the reasoning has nothing to do with anything Void has been saying.
I'm not doubting that.
To clarify: I don't think Foxlet is lying about having seen a miller before or anything as ridiculous as that. My issue is that the way she reacted to seeing a miller claim for the first time was scummy. I just sat at a comp screen for like 30 mins trying, but I can't really explain it any better than I did in my last post.
Well lets look. As scum it would mean they don't have daytalk. Also that she just doesn't ignore it and ask at night.
Could the reaction have anything to do with "Feel free to vig me "? Have you considered that? 'Why would someone be fine with being vig'? 'What kind of role is that'?
I don't think theres any ill intent there.
They hate us cause they ain't us.
I'm smart enough to know how I learn best...which is by relevance. Its always the way I always play, I've just never mentioned it before. I didn't know what a cult was either until I needed to know
I LOVE RVS because I love to shenanigans about It was poking fun at myself in a way...as in I didn't know what a miller was, and a joke as in I was comparing it to my homework (Law, statistics, accounting, and other crappy things).
I mean really, why would I compare something I do for fun and enjoyment to something I really hate doing except as a joke
I don't get exactly what you're saying in the second paragraph, but I think you're missing my point.
I don't find the fact that she needed to look up what a miller is to be scummy either. It's that she made a joke about it, comparing it to homework. To a townie, they would have the kind of reaction you say in the second paragraph. Personally, I would be excited about the claim. It wouldn't occur to me, even jokingly, to compare it to homework.
Obviously it's not the best tell in the world, but this early it is certainly worth a vote.
I see your point. Your looking at the mind set.
They hate us cause they ain't us.
I could see a rebuttal to this that if she's had to look up a lot of things recently, having to research another roll would come across as less than pleasant in her mind. It might be that she herself has a role that she's never seen before, or maybe the same situation occurred in another game.
I'll note that I, also, had never heard of a miller before...but I didn't have any trouble looking it up on the wiki. If I had already needed to look up multiple things, I could see myself viewing the task as more of a chore, however.
While I don't think that this suggests anything necessarily about Foxlet's alignment, I do think that the questions being asked reflect well on Void. My gut isn't seeing AE in quite as good of a light for some reason -- I really don't have any reasoning to back that up. I just looked back over his posts, and I don't see anything particularly suspicious about them....Void's just read more sincere to me, I guess.
Ok.
Votecount #1:
Void (1) - Archmage Eternal
Foxlet (3) - Voxxicus, Dancing Mad, MandersHex
Voxxicus (1) - Ahlyis
Cyouni (1) - Foxlet
Not Voting: Emo_Pinata, GrickyTimmick, Void, Kpaca, Reya Cookiebringer, Cyouni, Cyan, SilverSihhe, infectiousbaloth, TheIceMan, Deathjoey, Jobie
Please let me know if anything is incorrect.
With 18 alive, it's 10 to (no) lynch!