[SIZE=3][SIZE=2][SIZE=2][SIZE=2]We[SIZE=2]lcome to Vanilla Mafia 2.
[SIZE=2]This game is [SIZE=2]using the [SIZE=2]exact same setup that was used in Vanilla Maf[SIZE=2]ia hosted by LookingforReality. That game can be [SIZE=2]found [SIZE=2]here : [/SIZE][/SIZE][/SIZE][/SIZE][/SIZE][/SIZE][/SIZE][/SIZE][/SIZE][/SIZE][/SIZE][SIZE=3][SIZE=2][SIZE=2][SIZE=2][SIZE=2][SIZE=2][SIZE=2][SIZE=2][SIZE=2][SIZE=2][SIZE=2][URL="http://forums.mtgsalvation.com/showthread.php?t=77036http://"]http://forums.mtgsalvation.com/showthread.php?t=77036[/URL]
The idea is quite simple, [SIZE=2]at the [SIZE=2]game [SIZE=2]start there are 2 Mafia and 10 T[SIZE=2]ownies. No abilities [SIZE=2]other than maf[SIZE=2]ia kill. Lynches come [SIZE=2]down [SIZE=2]entirely to [SIZE=2]reads and tells, not claims and flavor. Setup explained in (a bit) more detail [SIZE=2]below.[/SIZE][/SIZE][/SIZE][/SIZE][/SIZE][/SIZE][/SIZE][/SIZE][/SIZE][/SIZE][/SIZE][/SIZE][/SIZE][/SIZE][/SIZE][/SIZE][/SIZE][/SIZE][/SIZE][/SIZE][/SIZE]
Rules [SIZE=2]s[/SIZE]hamelessly [SIZE=2]s[/SIZE]tolen from Zinda ([SIZE=2]with minor tweaks)[/SIZE][B]
#1:[/B] Don't edit your posts, don't quote any PM from any player (especially me), and don't discuss this game with anyone except myself and anyone delineated in your role PM. Breaking these rules will result in modkill. Expect absolutely no leniency as far as this rule goes.
[SIZE=2][B]#2:[/B] Don't lurk to excess. RL comes for everyone. It's understandable. Just keep me updated on what your situation is. If you anticipate being able to c[SIZE=2]ontinue[/SIZE]in the game, I will work with you, and if you don't think it will be possible, I'll look for a replacement. This is also a vanilla [SIZE=2]game, a[SIZE=2]nd as such the tendency to lurk is higher[SIZE=2], [SIZE=2]this means that I will [SIZE=2]be stri[SIZE=2]ct in regar[SIZE=2]ds to [SIZE=2]prodding. If you fail to post in 48[SIZE=2] ho[SIZE=2]urs (or tell me you [SIZE=2]are bus[SIZE=2]y/away[SIZE=2]) you will be prodded. Too many prods and you will be replaced.[/SIZE][/SIZE][/SIZE][/SIZE][/SIZE][/SIZE][/SIZE][/SIZE][/SIZE][/SIZE][/SIZE][/SIZE][/SIZE]
[/SIZE][SIZE=2][B]#3[/B] game and in all games. Mafia is a game of high tension due to the levels of suspicion and paranoia involved, and I know from personal experience the effect it can have on some players. Be sure to keep your behavior within the guidelines stated, however. Flaming will not be tolerated.[/SIZE] [SIZE=2][B]
#4:[/B] Lynching will require a simple majority of votes. Once the lynch threshold has been reached, nothing can prevent that lynch and the game is considered to be in "twilight." Posting during twilight is allowed. Twilight lasts from the time the lynch threshold is reached until the next time that I post in the thread. [/SIZE] [SIZE=2][B]
#5:[/B] Please bold your votes and unvotes. Votes made without unvoting first will not count.[/SIZE] [SIZE=2][B]
#6:[/B] Deadlines are set at the start of each day. Barring exceptional circumstances, those deadlines are immutable and will not be changed. If the deadline is reached without achieving a lynch, the day will end in No Lynch. The deadline remains static - votes made after it has passed will not count even if I have not made it to the thread yet.[/SIZE] [SIZE=2][B]
#7:[/B] Once you die, you are dead. Do not post. Do not communicate about anything game-related with any player, alive or dead, even if you think that communication does not endanger the game state or is not "important." [/SIZE] [SIZE=2][B]
#8:[/B] Night actions must be in by the night deadline. The deadline remains static - choices made after it has passed will not count even if I have not started the day yet. If you do not plan to use your night action, please inform me, as day will start once all choices are in.[/SIZE] [SIZE=2][B]
#9:[/B] There will never be a Jester in any game that I host.[/SIZE] [SIZE=2][B]
#10:[/B] After you have requested replacement or after I have announced that I am seeking a replacement for you - whichever comes first - your time in the game has ended. Do not post any further.[/SIZE] [SIZE=2][B]
#11:[/B] [B]Remember that while this is a game, it is intended to be fun for everyone. If you knowingly take actions that violate the spirit of the game, I [SIZE=2]reserve[/SIZE] the right to apply the appropriate punishment. [/B][/SIZE][SIZE=2][B]
#12:[/B] If you don't know, ask. I am online all the time and I'm happy to help you with any questions you may have. Please don't commit avoidable breaches of these rules because you didn't ask for clarification.
[SIZE=2][SIZE=2]Please r[/SIZE]emember, this is a[SIZE=2]n O[SIZE=2]pen Setup of 1[SIZE=2][SIZE=2]1[/SIZE] Townies, 1 Mafia who picks a se[SIZE=2]cond ma[SIZE=2]fia during the confirmation stage. Upon game start, the s[SIZE=2]etup will be locked at 10 Town, 2 Mafia.
[SIZE=2][B]Sample Town Role PM:
[/B][SIZE=2]You are a townie ([SIZE=2]WHAT A S[SIZE=2]URPRISE)[SIZE=2], [SIZE=2]as s[SIZE=2]uch [SIZE=2]you have no ad[SIZE=2]ditional power[SIZE=2]s[SIZE=2]. You win wh[SIZE=2]en both the mafia are dead.
[SIZE=2]Please confirm via PM.[/SIZE]
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[COLOR=Blue][B]1. Archmage Eternal, Vanilla [SIZE=2]T[/SIZE]ownie[/B][/COLOR] killed Night 1.[/SIZE][/SIZE][/SIZE][/SIZE][/SIZE][/SIZE][/SIZE][/SIZE][/SIZE][/SIZE][/SIZE][/SIZE][/SIZE][/SIZE][/SIZE][/SIZE][/SIZE][/SIZE][/SIZE][/SIZE][/SIZE][/SIZE][/SIZE][/SIZE][/SIZE][/SIZE][/SIZE][/SIZE][/SIZE][SIZE=2][SIZE=2][SIZE=2][SIZE=2][SIZE=2][SIZE=2][SIZE=2][SIZE=2][SIZE=2][SIZE=2][SIZE=2][SIZE=2][SIZE=2][SIZE=2][SIZE=2][SIZE=2][SIZE=2][SIZE=2][SIZE=2][SIZE=2][SIZE=2][SIZE=2][SIZE=2][SIZE=2][SIZE=2][SIZE=2][B]
[COLOR=Blue]12. Prophylaxis[/COLOR][/B][/SIZE][/SIZE][/SIZE][/SIZE][/SIZE][/SIZE][/SIZE][/SIZE][/SIZE][/SIZE][/SIZE][/SIZE][/SIZE][/SIZE][/SIZE][/SIZE][/SIZE][/SIZE][/SIZE][/SIZE][/SIZE][/SIZE][/SIZE][/SIZE][/SIZE][/SIZE][SIZE=2][SIZE=2][SIZE=2][SIZE=2][SIZE=2][SIZE=2][SIZE=2][SIZE=2][SIZE=2][SIZE=2][SIZE=2][SIZE=2][SIZE=2][SIZE=2][SIZE=2][SIZE=2][SIZE=2][SIZE=2][SIZE=2][SIZE=2][SIZE=2][SIZE=2][SIZE=2][SIZE=2][SIZE=2][SIZE=2][SIZE=2][SIZE=2][SIZE=2][B][COLOR=Blue][SIZE=2], Vanilla Tow[SIZE=2]nie[/SIZE][/SIZE][/COLOR][/B][COLOR=Blue][SIZE=2][SIZE=2][COLOR=Black] Lynched [SIZE=2]day 2.
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I am extending the 4 week deadline by 1 day, as I am traveling December 15th, and want this all done by then, and so to minimize the time I am away from an active game, the deadline is set for December 14th at Noon Eastern.
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<hotshizle> WINE IN FRONT OF MEAL
<hotshizle> i think
KoolKoal: Feel free to take this with a grain of salt since self meta isn't particularly helpful, but I think I get scumread mostly for style over substance, but also for a certain lack of substance over style. It's not so much what I AM posting most of the time (though sometimes that can seem bad) but what I'm NOT posting. I've been told I come to non-obvious conclusions a lot, so when I post, quite a bit of the time there's jumps in logic that people can't follow and they think that's scummy. I get that accusation about a lot of questions I ask specifically. People call them "busy work" when the questions are legit etc.
As far as things to ignore, I can't think of anything. I would suggest you focus less on what I'm doing and more on how I'm doing it. That's probably more likely to be accurate. Like I've just said, what I do tends to come off a little weird, but if you look for how I do it, mindset comes into play and maybe you figure out something useful.
KoolKoal: Feel free to take this with a grain of salt since self meta isn't particularly helpful, but I think I get scumread mostly for style over substance, but also for a certain lack of substance over style. It's not so much what I AM posting most of the time (though sometimes that can seem bad) but what I'm NOT posting. I've been told I come to non-obvious conclusions a lot, so when I post, quite a bit of the time there's jumps in logic that people can't follow and they think that's scummy. I get that accusation about a lot of questions I ask specifically. People call them "busy work" when the questions are legit etc.
As far as things to ignore, I can't think of anything. I would suggest you focus less on what I'm doing and more on how I'm doing it. That's probably more likely to be accurate. Like I've just said, what I do tends to come off a little weird, but if you look for how I do it, mindset comes into play and maybe you figure out something useful.
KoolKoal: Feel free to take this with a grain of salt since self meta isn't particularly helpful, but I think I get scumread mostly for style over substance, but also for a certain lack of substance over style. It's not so much what I AM posting most of the time (though sometimes that can seem bad) but what I'm NOT posting. I've been told I come to non-obvious conclusions a lot, so when I post, quite a bit of the time there's jumps in logic that people can't follow and they think that's scummy. I get that accusation about a lot of questions I ask specifically. People call them "busy work" when the questions are legit etc.
As far as things to ignore, I can't think of anything. I would suggest you focus less on what I'm doing and more on how I'm doing it. That's probably more likely to be accurate. Like I've just said, what I do tends to come off a little weird, but if you look for how I do it, mindset comes into play and maybe you figure out something useful.
KoolKoal: Feel free to take this with a grain of salt since self meta isn't particularly helpful, but I think I get scumread mostly for style over substance, but also for a certain lack of substance over style. It's not so much what I AM posting most of the time (though sometimes that can seem bad) but what I'm NOT posting. I've been told I come to non-obvious conclusions a lot, so when I post, quite a bit of the time there's jumps in logic that people can't follow and they think that's scummy. I get that accusation about a lot of questions I ask specifically. People call them "busy work" when the questions are legit etc.
As far as things to ignore, I can't think of anything. I would suggest you focus less on what I'm doing and more on how I'm doing it. That's probably more likely to be accurate. Like I've just said, what I do tends to come off a little weird, but if you look for how I do it, mindset comes into play and maybe you figure out something useful.
KoolKoal: Feel free to take this with a grain of salt since self meta isn't particularly helpful, but I think I get scumread mostly for style over substance, but also for a certain lack of substance over style. It's not so much what I AM posting most of the time (though sometimes that can seem bad) but what I'm NOT posting. I've been told I come to non-obvious conclusions a lot, so when I post, quite a bit of the time there's jumps in logic that people can't follow and they think that's scummy. I get that accusation about a lot of questions I ask specifically. People call them "busy work" when the questions are legit etc.
As far as things to ignore, I can't think of anything. I would suggest you focus less on what I'm doing and more on how I'm doing it. That's probably more likely to be accurate. Like I've just said, what I do tends to come off a little weird, but if you look for how I do it, mindset comes into play and maybe you figure out something useful.
KoolKoal: Feel free to take this with a grain of salt since self meta isn't particularly helpful, but I think I get scumread mostly for style over substance, but also for a certain lack of substance over style. It's not so much what I AM posting most of the time (though sometimes that can seem bad) but what I'm NOT posting. I've been told I come to non-obvious conclusions a lot, so when I post, quite a bit of the time there's jumps in logic that people can't follow and they think that's scummy. I get that accusation about a lot of questions I ask specifically. People call them "busy work" when the questions are legit etc.
As far as things to ignore, I can't think of anything. I would suggest you focus less on what I'm doing and more on how I'm doing it. That's probably more likely to be accurate. Like I've just said, what I do tends to come off a little weird, but if you look for how I do it, mindset comes into play and maybe you figure out something useful.
I don't care much for AE's trolling for reactions.
What I do care about, however, is infectiousbaloth's self vote.
"Voting for yourself is considered a scum tactic because it makes you seem overly aware of who you are voting and trying not to bring suspicion on to yourself."
Going on by that logic I shall unvote, vote IB for the time being.
The quote is from this mentor chat by Iso, post 14.
That would explain why I've never heard of it.
I am very self-conscious of my voting habits.
Maybe I should stop voting for myself, since I've done it in RVS of every game I'm in ever and only in my last three games has anyone noticed it.
I don't care much for AE's trolling for reactions.
What I do care about, however, is infectiousbaloth's self vote.
"Voting for yourself is considered a scum tactic because it makes you seem overly aware of who you are voting and trying not to bring suspicion on to yourself."
Going on by that logic I shall unvote, vote IB for the time being.
I agree in some cases, I don't agree in this one. IB does stuff like this all the time.
I don't care much for AE's trolling for reactions.
What I do care about, however, is infectiousbaloth's self vote.
"Voting for yourself is considered a scum tactic because it makes you seem overly aware of who you are voting and trying not to bring suspicion on to yourself."
Going on by that logic I shall unvote, vote IB for the time being.
Re: A E: He's made one serious post this game. That post was really very vague. Why are you so quick to assign motive without further input? How do you know that's what he was doing?
Re: IB's self vote: The fact that I remember him doing this before helps his case a little.
The quote is from this mentor chat by Iso, post 14.
That would explain why I've never heard of it.
I am very self-conscious of my voting habits.
Maybe I should stop voting for myself, since I've done it in RVS of every game I'm in ever and only in my last three games has anyone noticed it.
Stupid Iso.
Just try to think about what you're accomplishing with your vote. If you really aren't, don't make the vote.
Re: self voting out of RVS: I'd call it suspicious, and question worthy. Not outright scummy. Scumniness is related to motive.
I don't care much for AE's trolling for reactions.
What I do care about, however, is infectiousbaloth's self vote.
"Voting for yourself is considered a scum tactic because it makes you seem overly aware of who you are voting and trying not to bring suspicion on to yourself."
Going on by that logic I shall unvote, vote IB for the time being.
I agree in some cases, I don't agree in this one. IB does stuff like this all the time.
KoolKoal: Feel free to take this with a grain of salt since self meta isn't particularly helpful, but I think I get scumread mostly for style over substance, but also for a certain lack of substance over style. It's not so much what I AM posting most of the time (though sometimes that can seem bad) but what I'm NOT posting. I've been told I come to non-obvious conclusions a lot, so when I post, quite a bit of the time there's jumps in logic that people can't follow and they think that's scummy. I get that accusation about a lot of questions I ask specifically. People call them "busy work" when the questions are legit etc.
As far as things to ignore, I can't think of anything. I would suggest you focus less on what I'm doing and more on how I'm doing it. That's probably more likely to be accurate. Like I've just said, what I do tends to come off a little weird, but if you look for how I do it, mindset comes into play and maybe you figure out something useful.
Something in kill-joy's post seems off in how he addresses IB's self-vote. He goes from asking IB about it to saying it doesn't mean anything, to coaching IB, to saying it doesn't mean anything.
I don't care much for AE's trolling for reactions.
Trolling? Really?
What I do care about, however, is infectiousbaloth's self vote.
"Voting for yourself is considered a scum tactic because it makes you seem overly aware of who you are voting and trying not to bring suspicion on to yourself."
Going on by that logic I shall unvote, vote IB for the time being.
Something in kill-joy's post seems off in how he addresses IB's self-vote. He goes from asking IB about it to saying it doesn't mean anything, to coaching IB, to saying it doesn't mean anything.
Vote: kill-joy
First: I didn't say it was meaningless. I said that, due to past behavior, said action is not outright scummy, unlike if anyone else had done it. So, I've still given him a scum point, opposed to the two or three others would get.
Second: IB has already done the action. He can't walk it back. He can't erase it. Why is it scummy to tell him "Hey, in future, its better to do this" and " Here's some advice that will hero you become a better mafia player"? What does this action, as scum, gain me?
Third: I have never in my entire mafia career seen coaching ever actually happen. Idk why people are so scared of it.
KoolKoal: Feel free to take this with a grain of salt since self meta isn't particularly helpful, but I think I get scumread mostly for style over substance, but also for a certain lack of substance over style. It's not so much what I AM posting most of the time (though sometimes that can seem bad) but what I'm NOT posting. I've been told I come to non-obvious conclusions a lot, so when I post, quite a bit of the time there's jumps in logic that people can't follow and they think that's scummy. I get that accusation about a lot of questions I ask specifically. People call them "busy work" when the questions are legit etc.
As far as things to ignore, I can't think of anything. I would suggest you focus less on what I'm doing and more on how I'm doing it. That's probably more likely to be accurate. Like I've just said, what I do tends to come off a little weird, but if you look for how I do it, mindset comes into play and maybe you figure out something useful.
KoolKoal: Feel free to take this with a grain of salt since self meta isn't particularly helpful, but I think I get scumread mostly for style over substance, but also for a certain lack of substance over style. It's not so much what I AM posting most of the time (though sometimes that can seem bad) but what I'm NOT posting. I've been told I come to non-obvious conclusions a lot, so when I post, quite a bit of the time there's jumps in logic that people can't follow and they think that's scummy. I get that accusation about a lot of questions I ask specifically. People call them "busy work" when the questions are legit etc.
As far as things to ignore, I can't think of anything. I would suggest you focus less on what I'm doing and more on how I'm doing it. That's probably more likely to be accurate. Like I've just said, what I do tends to come off a little weird, but if you look for how I do it, mindset comes into play and maybe you figure out something useful.
Something in kill-joy's post seems off in how he addresses IB's self-vote. He goes from asking IB about it to saying it doesn't mean anything, to coaching IB, to saying it doesn't mean anything.
Vote: kill-joy
First: I didn't say it was meaningless. I said that, due to past behavior, said action is not outright scummy, unlike if anyone else had done it. So, I've still given him a scum point, opposed to the two or three others would get.
Second: IB has already done the action. He can't walk it back. He can't erase it. Why is it scummy to tell him "Hey, in future, its better to do this" and " Here's some advice that will hero you become a better mafia player"? What does this action, as scum, gain me?
Third: I have never in my entire mafia career seen coaching ever actually happen. Idk why people are so scared of it.
I'll give you second and third. But for the first, I'm not satisfied. Due to past behavior it's not scummy, but you're still giving scum points? You can't have it go both ways. Plus, if you know his past behavior, why are you asking why he's doing it?
Wheat: I suppose you remember Niv from The Office, Mr. Ministrel.
kill-joy: Which post were you talking about - his very first post in which he proposed to go down and lynch players or the post where he calls you scum?
AE: Eh, I don't really mean "trolling" in the negative way, but just basically scouring around for reactions. I've seen other players use the phrase "trolling for reactions" before, and that's where I got that from. Also, care to explain why it's "horrible"?
Because, while the logic of that particular guru's notion is somewhat sound (i.e. player wants to participate in RVS but doesn't want to lay a vote on a player for fear of drawing any attention), anyone who actually thinks like that is a moron.
I've played this game for what, seven years? And I've never seen anyone voting for him/herself in RVS that was later indicated as a scum tell, nor have I ever seen any correlation between such actions and alignment.
Re: IB's self vote: The fact that I remember him doing this before helps his case a little.
What case would that be?
The one we're all trying to solve.
Everyone has a chance to be scum.
For those of us who aren't scum, we know there's one out there.
That case.
Essentially it's a figure of speech meaning I give him less scum points than I would other players for the same action due to past behavior.
Something in kill-joy's post seems off in how he addresses IB's self-vote. He goes from asking IB about it to saying it doesn't mean anything, to coaching IB, to saying it doesn't mean anything.
Vote: kill-joy
First: I didn't say it was meaningless. I said that, due to past behavior, said action is not outright scummy, unlike if anyone else had done it. So, I've still given him a scum point, opposed to the two or three others would get.
Second: IB has already done the action. He can't walk it back. He can't erase it. Why is it scummy to tell him "Hey, in future, its better to do this" and " Here's some advice that will hero you become a better mafia player"? What does this action, as scum, gain me?
Third: I have never in my entire mafia career seen coaching ever actually happen. Idk why people are so scared of it.
I'll give you second and third. But for the first, I'm not satisfied. Due to past behavior it's not scummy, but you're still giving scum points? You can't have it go both ways.
It's not OUTRIGHT scummy. Like, when he did it he didn't shoot up to the top of my scumspects. There's enough doubt where he could still be town that that wouldn't happen just cuz he did this. And yes, he still gets some scum points because the action itself does signify self-consciousness.
Plus, if you know his past behavior, why are you asking why he's doing it?
I would like to see his mindset this game. His past behavior spawned from a different set of circumstances, most likely. Plus, it's never a bad thing to get more information, while it is a bad thing to assume motive without asking. I prefer to avoid such actions.
kill-joy: Which post were you talking about - his very first post in which he proposed to go down and lynch players or the post where he calls you scum?
Because, while the logic of that particular guru's notion is somewhat sound (i.e. player wants to participate in RVS but doesn't want to lay a vote on a player for fear of drawing any attention), anyone who actually thinks like that is a moron.
I've played this game for what, seven years? And I've never seen anyone voting for him/herself in RVS that was later indicated as a scum tell, nor have I ever seen any correlation between such actions and alignment.
I only really attribute it newer players that aren't completely confident yet. I don't recall seeing it, but I see it as logically possible. Enough so that I take it into consideration, at any rate.
KoolKoal: Feel free to take this with a grain of salt since self meta isn't particularly helpful, but I think I get scumread mostly for style over substance, but also for a certain lack of substance over style. It's not so much what I AM posting most of the time (though sometimes that can seem bad) but what I'm NOT posting. I've been told I come to non-obvious conclusions a lot, so when I post, quite a bit of the time there's jumps in logic that people can't follow and they think that's scummy. I get that accusation about a lot of questions I ask specifically. People call them "busy work" when the questions are legit etc.
As far as things to ignore, I can't think of anything. I would suggest you focus less on what I'm doing and more on how I'm doing it. That's probably more likely to be accurate. Like I've just said, what I do tends to come off a little weird, but if you look for how I do it, mindset comes into play and maybe you figure out something useful.
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The game will begin on Day 1
With 12 alive it is 7 to lynch or no-lynch.
I am extending the 4 week deadline by 1 day, as I am traveling December 15th, and want this all done by then, and so to minimize the time I am away from an active game, the deadline is set for December 14th at Noon Eastern.
They hate us cause they ain't us.
Vote: Wheat_Grinder because I'm on my phone and he's the only one I remember is in this game.
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Vote Manders for not remembering anyone else in the game.
Can't win that way either. No mod to declare me the winner. Um, us.
Think about it. It breaks the game. No power roles to hinder the process. The only way they win is if they're at the end. What are the odds?
They hate us cause they ain't us.
Great point. Can we start with Iso? I feel like we should lynch Iso. Is he even in this game?
Vote AE
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Vote MandersHex. Only scum are immune to irony.
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Vote kill-joy for being scum in every single game ever.
Haters gonna hate.
Vote: Storyteller because that went well last time.
And which time was that? Dei?
Vote Wheat_Grinder
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68.
I was actually hoping Iso was here and scum for that very reason.
Dang it. That was going to be my RVS joke. Now what do I do?
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We don't need those.
Vote Nis for acknowledging RVS without voting.
Very true. But it looks like we have a scum on this page.
They hate us cause they ain't us.
Does this mean I finally have to get serious about this game?
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Votes:
Wheat Grinder 2 (MandersHex, Storyteller)
MandersHex 2 (Kill Joy, Xyre)
Archmage Eternal 1 (Nyxu)
Kill Joy 1 (Prophylaxis)
Storyteller 1 (Wheat_Grinder)
Nis 1 (Raging Levine)
Not Voting 4 (Archmage Eternal, Infectious Baloth, Mindslavor, and Nis)
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So, AE, what's your reasoning?
He says he found scum on this page, and is heavily implying kill-joy as being the scum.
What I do care about, however, is infectiousbaloth's self vote.
"Voting for yourself is considered a scum tactic because it makes you seem overly aware of who you are voting and trying not to bring suspicion on to yourself."
Going on by that logic I shall unvote, vote IB for the time being.
That would explain why I've never heard of it.
I am very self-conscious of my voting habits.
Maybe I should stop voting for myself, since I've done it in RVS of every game I'm in ever and only in my last three games has anyone noticed it.
Stupid Iso.
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I agree in some cases, I don't agree in this one. IB does stuff like this all the time.
What were you trying to accomplish with this?
Re: A E: He's made one serious post this game. That post was really very vague. Why are you so quick to assign motive without further input? How do you know that's what he was doing?
Re: IB's self vote: The fact that I remember him doing this before helps his case a little.
Just try to think about what you're accomplishing with your vote. If you really aren't, don't make the vote.
Re: self voting out of RVS: I'd call it suspicious, and question worthy. Not outright scummy. Scumniness is related to motive.
This ties into what I said earlier. So, /barn.
Vote: kill-joy
Who disagrees?
Trolling? Really?
This is all horrible.
Who cares?
They hate us cause they ain't us.
First: I didn't say it was meaningless. I said that, due to past behavior, said action is not outright scummy, unlike if anyone else had done it. So, I've still given him a scum point, opposed to the two or three others would get.
Second: IB has already done the action. He can't walk it back. He can't erase it. Why is it scummy to tell him "Hey, in future, its better to do this" and " Here's some advice that will hero you become a better mafia player"? What does this action, as scum, gain me?
Third: I have never in my entire mafia career seen coaching ever actually happen. Idk why people are so scared of it.
I agree. I'd like to hear more from him.
I'd like to see what his reasoning was behind it.
What case would that be?
They hate us cause they ain't us.
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Old Games (bad): The Greenwood Affair | Blood Moon Mafia
Evidently a few people, since people were still posting as though it were RVS.
I'll give you second and third. But for the first, I'm not satisfied. Due to past behavior it's not scummy, but you're still giving scum points? You can't have it go both ways. Plus, if you know his past behavior, why are you asking why he's doing it?
What do you expect him to say that he hasn't already said?
kill-joy: Which post were you talking about - his very first post in which he proposed to go down and lynch players or the post where he calls you scum?
AE: Eh, I don't really mean "trolling" in the negative way, but just basically scouring around for reactions. I've seen other players use the phrase "trolling for reactions" before, and that's where I got that from. Also, care to explain why it's "horrible"?
I've played this game for what, seven years? And I've never seen anyone voting for him/herself in RVS that was later indicated as a scum tell, nor have I ever seen any correlation between such actions and alignment.
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Mini Games: MTGS Mafia Redux II (Invitational, Evil Mirror Universe) | Unreal City
Old Games (bad): The Greenwood Affair | Blood Moon Mafia
The one we're all trying to solve.
Everyone has a chance to be scum.
For those of us who aren't scum, we know there's one out there.
That case.
Essentially it's a figure of speech meaning I give him less scum points than I would other players for the same action due to past behavior.
It's not OUTRIGHT scummy. Like, when he did it he didn't shoot up to the top of my scumspects. There's enough doubt where he could still be town that that wouldn't happen just cuz he did this. And yes, he still gets some scum points because the action itself does signify self-consciousness.
I would like to see his mindset this game. His past behavior spawned from a different set of circumstances, most likely. Plus, it's never a bad thing to get more information, while it is a bad thing to assume motive without asking. I prefer to avoid such actions.
I don't have any preset expectations for him. I just wanna see how he answers me.
This post.
I only really attribute it newer players that aren't completely confident yet. I don't recall seeing it, but I see it as logically possible. Enough so that I take it into consideration, at any rate.