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Old 11-15-2012, 03:27 PM   #16
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A bigger Modern push from WotC (once they confirm this, which I expect they will Extended is currently a sanctioned FNM format so adding in Modern makes sense), secondary market prices are going to rise, but what impact will this have, some stores just prefer to run Standard or Draft because it attracts more people, but there are also the eternal players who don't play Standard or Limited and this may attract them to Modern and FNM in general as they already own most of the Staples through Legacy, Vintage, etc

For the short term it means snag staples before the price hike! For the long term we'll see hopefully it doesn't just blow over like Extended did
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Old 11-15-2012, 03:41 PM   #17
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A bigger Modern push from WotC (once they confirm this, which I expect they will Extended is currently a sanctioned FNM format so adding in Modern makes sense), secondary market prices are going to rise, but what impact will this have, some stores just prefer to run Standard or Draft because it attracts more people, but there are also the eternal players who don't play Standard or Limited and this may attract them to Modern and FNM in general as they already own most of the Staples through Legacy, Vintage, etc

For the short term it means snag staples before the price hike! For the long term we'll see hopefully it doesn't just blow over like Extended did
Modern is played at GP's and PT's. People will see the decks and be like 'I want to play that!' and now they can at FNM. Also, drafting Modern Masters will ensure an extra revival halfway next year. They really did their planning well on this one. Initially it will probably have decent amount of people, then it will drop slowly, and then bam, Modern Masters and increase again.

I'm pretty sure it will stay at FNM and be played.
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Old 11-15-2012, 03:43 PM   #18
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Only a matter of time before SCG Modern Opens, then. This will be the year Modern breaks out.
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Old 11-15-2012, 03:53 PM   #19
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Modern is played at GP's and PT's. People will see the decks and be like 'I want to play that!' and now they can at FNM. Also, drafting Modern Masters will ensure an extra revival halfway next year. They really did their planning well on this one. Initially it will probably have decent amount of people, then it will drop slowly, and then bam, Modern Masters and increase again.

I'm pretty sure it will stay at FNM and be played.
I agree for the most part, but Extended was pushed like Modern is now and well look what happened to it, I don't think Modern Masters will have the same impact everyone is hoping for Modern

I never said it won't stick at FNM I just said stores may opt not to run it as it may not attract as many people as Standard or Limited do, overall I think it is a great idea and may have me playing constructed at FNM again since I can play a good combo deck again (once I finally get the last few cards I am missing) or Affinity/Dredge at FNM
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Old 11-15-2012, 04:25 PM   #20
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At this point I doubt my store could get together 8 people for a modern FNM...


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Old 11-15-2012, 04:27 PM   #21
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I'd expect many stores to start doing a "1st Friday of Month Modern" or something like that. My LGS has both draft and Standard on FNM with mid 30s for each. There are probably 30 modern players out of that whole group.
Enough to have some tourney's but those people won't go through near as many boosters as the standard or drafters.
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Old 11-15-2012, 04:29 PM   #22
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I'm 100% certain my regular LGS won't- they don't do anything other than Draft.

There's another place nearby that's been filling up both Standard and Draft at FNM;
I could see it getting big there.

I just wish this happened around the same time as MM releases,
as there will be an awkward gap between them during which prices go crazy.

And if they underprint MM, prices will *stay* crazy
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Unless Wizards seriously address the issues of card prices then Modern FNM will be a joke for a long time at first since it will be pay to win.

With Standard people trade a lot and pay a comparatively small amount of money, so the majority can have all the cards they need. That is simply not the case with modern.

Wizards should not bow down before collectors, they should serve those who actually play the damn game. They should flood the market with Modern Masters. Tarmogoyf and pals should be $15, not $100
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Old 11-15-2012, 04:32 PM   #24
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My store guy said the last friday of every month will be Modern. YES.
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Unless Wizards seriously address the issues of card prices then Modern FNM will be a joke for a long time at first since it will be pay to win.

With Standard people trade a lot and pay a comparatively small amount of money, so the majority can have all the cards they need. That is simply not the case with modern.

Wizards should not bow down before collectors, they should serve those who actually play the damn game. They should flood the market with Modern Masters. Tarmogoyf and pals should be $15, not $100
Agree with this. If a modern deck is going to cost me $1000 then I simply won't play the format. My standard deck already runs some staggering dollar amount, but if I want to switch to another one I can pretty easily (because I keep full sets of lands and staples on hand). This is simply not possible in modern without a whole lot of monetary investment through the secondary market.
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Old 11-15-2012, 04:46 PM   #26
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No change from what we've been doing since Modern was sanctionable. FNM Draft, Saturday Modern.
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Modern is still a format in which you don't need to have a 500$+ deck to win a SMALL, LOCAL tournament. You can easily win an FNM with Storm, Infect, Eggs, Mono White Martyr, RDW or Rakdos, or several other decks that are based almost entirely on commons and uncommons, and have relatively easy mana bases to either build or budget-substitute. You don't need a GP deck to win an FNM and if you metagame correctly you can beat the GP decks with cheap decks if you know what you're up against.
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Unless Wizards seriously address the issues of card prices then Modern FNM will be a joke for a long time at first since it will be pay to win.

With Standard people trade a lot and pay a comparatively small amount of money, so the majority can have all the cards they need. That is simply not the case with modern.

Wizards should not bow down before collectors, they should serve those who actually play the damn game. They should flood the market with Modern Masters. Tarmogoyf and pals should be $15, not $100
well this is false. do you know how much people spend per standard season to get singles? and those are the people that actually try hard to win. a fair amount of people who play standard sink tons of money into packs and boxes as their main means to get cards. for the price of a box, you can buy a good chunk of a modern deck. and, you can also trade for modern staples. go figure.
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Unless Wizards seriously address the issues of card prices then Modern FNM will be a joke for a long time at first since it will be pay to win.

With Standard people trade a lot and pay a comparatively small amount of money, so the majority can have all the cards they need. That is simply not the case with modern.

Wizards should not bow down before collectors, they should serve those who actually play the damn game. They should flood the market with Modern Masters. Tarmogoyf and pals should be $15, not $100
Why people keep going on about how expensive Tarmogoyf is, when you dont have to play Tarmogoyf? There are plenty of Modern decks that are cheaper if you want to netdeck, and if you want to be innovative then be innovative. There are new modern decks coming out all the time.

Flooding the market...yeah, great idea. Good thing youre not in charge of Wizards.
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Old 11-15-2012, 05:23 PM   #30
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The thing I love about Modern is the fact it has many different deck archtypes, whereas standard is viable with really no more than 3 or 4 at a time.

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EIGHT WORDS you should know before you open your mouth. Tarm is viable in only a few decks.

It is not viable in my combo elf deck. Turn 3 or 4 my elves will get infinitely huge and laugh at tarmogoyf while hardcasting emrakul. Need I say more? Fine, I will..

There's a few different white decks that don't use tarmogoyf,

mono black is highly viable in modern.

rdw will use figure of destiny before it smirks at the tarmogoyf.

Oh, and there's Abrupt Decay and Dreadbore for Tarmogoyf and friends. Not only that there's pithing needles, path to exiles, and so many other things...

Tarmogoyf at his best is marginally better than a craw wurm and requires a lot of support to get even there. Where a combo elf deck that costs less than a tarmy can be about 5-10 times stronger. So yeah, Tarm is tough, but he's not the be all or end all and not even required to play.

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