[MTGO] – MOCS 2013 Season 1 Promo is Force of Will

[everydayishinesoclean]

well damn :/. I never play magic online anymore, now i might have to force myself if these are really gonna be worth something.

[Fluxje]

Originally Posted by mishima_kazuya

I almost spat my coffee all over my computer screen.

Thank you Wizards for the free money.

Though I absolutely agree it is a fantasic promo, it isnt as free as people make it out to be.
First of all you need 15 qp's, which is by no means an easy feat.

For example you get 1 qp from 3-0' ing a draft. Lets say the better and more experience players under us can do this 2/3rd of the time (which is an incredible feat by itself). This means they have to play 21 drafts in a month and keep up such an amazing win ratio.
Considering a draft will take up about 3.5-4 hours of your time, this will mean you will have to spend 84 hours drafting alone to get that many QP's.
Now if you are not one of those prodigies, and you 3-0 50% of the time this equates to 120 hours.

Which equates to the same amount of time you would spend in 15 work days.

You can always take the 'shortcut' and win multiple events, or top 8 them, but again this is not an easy feat.

From this point on you can attain multiple copies of the promo card:

All players who qualify for the Season Preliminaries or Season Finals will automatically receive a copy of that season's promo card awarded to their qualifying account during the scheduled maintenance period prior to the Season Preliminaries. If for any reason there is no scheduled maintenance on that date, the promo card will be awarded during the next scheduled maintenance period.

2013 MAGIC ONLINE CHAMPIONSHIP SERIES SEASON PRELIMINARIES DETAILS
START TIME: Scheduled start times listed as posted on the MOCS schedule above.
LOCATION: Scheduled Events room.
ENTRY REQUIREMENT: 15 Qualifier Points for the appropriate season.
PRODUCT: Players will need to supply an appropriate format legal deck for constructed format events. Magic Online will supply the correct Phantom product for limited format events (such as booster draft or sealed deck).
SIZE: 33 players minimum, 1024 players maximum.
DURATION: Six 50-minute, Swiss pairings rounds.
PRIZES: Prizes are based on the total Match Points at the end of the tournament. Each match win awards 3 points and each match loss awards 0 points.

Match
Points Prize
18 35 Qualifier Points and 1 premium foil copy of that season's promo card

15 35 Qualifier Points and 1 standard non-foil copy of that season's promo card

12 1 standard non-foil copy of that season's promo card

Place Prize
1st 2013 MTGO Championship Invitation,
1 complete premium foil set,
and 54 booster packs
2nd 1 complete standard non-foil set and 54 Booster Packs
3rd-4th 54 Booster Packs
5th-8th 36 Booster Packs
9th-16th 24 Booster Packs
17th-32nd 12 Booster Packs
33rd-64th 6 Booster Packs
65th-128th 3 Booster Packs
129th-256th 1 Booster Pack

ADDITIONAL PRIZES: Top 64 finishers will also receive a foil copy of the announced promo card.

You can however join multiple prelim qualifers when you attain 15 qp's, and there will be 4 prelims each season.

So in theory if you are god amongst men you can earn up to 6 copies of FoW, and a max of 5 foil copies.

Edited: found the missing links

[mishima_kazuya]

Originally Posted by Fluxje

Though I absolutely agree it is a fantasic promo, it isnt as free as people make it out to be.
First of all you need 15 qp's, which is by no means an easy feat.

For example you get 1 qp from 3-0' ing a draft. Lets say the better and more experience players under us can do this 2/3rd of the time (which is an incredible feat by itself). This means they have to play 21 drafts in a month and keep up such an amazing win ratio.
Considering a draft will take up about 3.5-4 hours of your time, this will mean you will have to spend 84 hours drafting alone to get that many QP's.
Now if you are not one of those prodigies, and you 3-0 50% of the time this equates to 120 hours.

Which equates to the same amount of time you would spend in 15 work days.

Its really easy grinding constructed to get 15 QP's in 2 weeks, assuming you work a part time job and don't play MTGO everyday of the week.

[fnord]

Originally Posted by Fluxje

You can however join multiple prelim qualifers when you attain 15 qp's, and there will be 4 prelims each season.

As I read it, each prelim you enter costs you 15 QP. So to enter 2, you'll need to either have 30 points or 15 points and do 5-1 or better in your first one.

[Fluxje]

Originally Posted by fnord

As I read it, each prelim you enter costs you 15 QP. So to enter 2, you'll need to either have 30 points or 15 points and do 5-1 or better in your first one.

nah I thought this too at first, but it is just worded awkwardly here.
Somewhere else in the article states that you can enter multiple prelims once you attain the 15 QP's.

It is a requirement, not an entry fee.

[-A-]

According to Lee Sharpe on Twitter (@Lee_Sharpe) you can earn a maximum of 3 Force of Will per account:

"Yes, if you get 15 QP, X-2 or better a prelim, and top 64 the finals, then you'll get one promo card for each (three total)."

[TrevaFTW]

How many of you think this is a sign that they will eventually reprint it in real life?

[fnord]

Originally Posted by Fluxje

nah I thought this too at first, but it is just worded awkwardly here.
Somewhere else in the article states that you can enter multiple prelims once you attain the 15 QP's.

It is a requirement, not an entry fee.

Do you mean this?

Second, we are eliminating byes as they currently exist. Instead, players who earn 35 QPs can just join the Season Finals directly, bypassing the need to play in the Season Preliminaries. Players who earn enough QPs are free to join multiple Season Preliminaries tournaments to try and make it to the Season Finals.

I read that to mean that if you have 30QP you can use them to enter 2 Prelims.

[Fluxje]

Originally Posted by fnord

Do you mean this?



I read that to mean that if you have 30QP you can use them to enter 2 Prelims.

I agree it is still a very ambiguous description, the only way to verify it is to get an official statement I guess

[abraxas]

Originally Posted by TrevaFTW

How many of you think this is a sign that they will eventually reprint it in real life?

Mark Rosewater already stated in his blog that R&D were testing Force of Will extensively in Standard and they just couldn't work it out, so they've now come to the conclusion it'll see a reprint in a product that won't be legal in Standard.

I'm not sure the best way to distribute them as promos or as a reprint, though. Commander, for example, would be a terrible way to reprint FoW. Eternal players would eat up the product, causing it rise tremmendously in price before it was even released. FTV is simply not an effective way to do so, either, given that one usually wants a FoW playset, not a singleton, so it'd be hard to find a copy of FTV for it's normal 35-100$ if FoW was included. They really can't print it as a playset in a product, either, because collectors and speculators would just hoard that product immediately.

That's the problem with reprinting eternal staples.

[jturphy]

Originally Posted by Fluxje

I agree it is still a very ambiguous description, the only way to verify it is to get an official statement I guess

On Twitter they said it "eats" the QPs when you enter. So when you enter a preliminary, you lose 15 QPs.

EDIT (Source):

https://twitter.com/Lee_Sharpe/statu...12404257333250

[urzishra]

It's pretty easy to grind Pauper if you have Infect/Storm (those decks have the most "oops I win" moments) going to try to see if I can't run the gauntlet with pauper decks. Most QPs I've ever received was 5 in a season (albeit I wasn't grinding for a FOW). I'll will attempt to get to 15 QPs this season, I think I have to at least try.

I'll probably flesh out my Modern Robots deck and try to do well in Modern/Pauper.

I don't think I'll be able to grind to 30 QP and then do well enough to get additional FoWs. But getting 1 or 2 would be a start (15 points, then well enough in the qualifier)

Originally Posted by abraxas

Mark Rosewater already stated in his blog that R&D were testing Force of Will extensively in Standard and they just couldn't work it out, so they've now come to the conclusion it'll see a reprint in a product that won't be legal in Standard.

I'm not sure the best way to distribute them as promos or as a reprint, though. Commander, for example, would be a terrible way to reprint FoW. Eternal players would eat up the product, causing it rise tremmendously in price before it was even released. FTV is simply not an effective way to do so, either, given that one usually wants a FoW playset, not a singleton, so it'd be hard to find a copy of FTV for it's normal 35-100$ if FoW was included. They really can't print it as a playset in a product, either, because collectors and speculators would just hoard that product immediately.

That's the problem with reprinting eternal staples.

I think it should start at the GP level, I think if it was a GP foil first that would get the ball rolling. Next, I think including it as a 2x or 3x in a dual deck is the way to go first. Gets a lot out there initially. You can't worry about hoarders/speculators because they are going to be there regardless on how it is released.

[Fluxje]

Am I the only one who is seeing the irony in people who declare its 'easy' to get 15 qp's, and describe situations where you have to 'grind'.

True enough, if you have a T1 deck, you can reliably x-1 or better in events.

However it is by no definition easy.

Just pulling a random number out of my hat, but I am pretty certain not even 0.1% of the modo community will reach 15 qp's.

[CorwinB]

Originally Posted by abraxas

Mark Rosewater already stated in his blog that R&D were testing Force of Will extensively in Standard and they just couldn't work it out, so they've now come to the conclusion it'll see a reprint in a product that won't be legal in Standard.

I'm not sure the best way to distribute them as promos or as a reprint, though. Commander, for example, would be a terrible way to reprint FoW. Eternal players would eat up the product, causing it rise tremmendously in price before it was even released. FTV is simply not an effective way to do so, either, given that one usually wants a FoW playset, not a singleton, so it'd be hard to find a copy of FTV for it's normal 35-100$ if FoW was included. They really can't print it as a playset in a product, either, because collectors and speculators would just hoard that product immediately.

That's the problem with reprinting eternal staples.

They could perfectly include it with the new art in a Duel Deck, coupled with a Foil release in a special product (FTV for example). Duel Decks are produced in huge amounts, so price gouging would be next to impossible on them.

Of course, that would crash the market, but there is no Reserve List for FoW, Wasteland... and several other Legacy staples that they could perfectly reprint, but choose not to.

[Soulflame]

I think WotC is testing the market with the MTGO release. If the pricedrop is within bounds but still reasonable, they might do a reprint in paper too.

As for the difficulty and time spent to get 15 QP, keep in mind that the first week is a week a lot of people will have a week off and can grind as much as they want.
So it's not unreasonable to spend 8 hours a day or more in the first week. And also keep in mind that people can multibox. 2 Drafts at the same time is very doable for a lot of people.

Still, 15 QP is a solid investment.
I do hope this sparks the Legacy MTGO scene up again. I love Legacy! (except the rediculous prices)