[GTC] - Fathom Mage - Page 3

urzishra · 12-23-2012, 11:31 PM

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Originally Posted by empathogen

That's how I read it- it doesn't say "for each counter" or anything like that.

(How I read it, I'm not a judge or anything) whenever a +1/+1 counter is placed on it draw a card. So if you have something that puts 5, +1/+1 counters it will trigger 5 times (even though the card says "put x counters on it") once those are put on the card the card will trigger the draw 5 times.

It's an interesting card, seems way over priced. (4 mana for 1/1 is really weak, even though effect cool/good also has no evasion/protection).

Obsidian Dice · 12-23-2012, 11:32 PM

You draw a card for each counter placed on it.

"Whenever a +1/+1 counter is placed" vs "whenever +1/+1 counters are placed." It's just like an ability that says "whenever you draw a card" will trigger four times off Tidings.

penguinofhonor · 12-23-2012, 11:33 PM

This is a great trigger for Evolve since it works so well with Graft.

It's also probably part of yet another infinite Experiment Kraj combo.

gmax666 · 12-23-2012, 11:36 PM

What I want to know is why someone hasn't said Corpsejack Menace with this.

LnGrrrR · 12-23-2012, 11:37 PM

Increasing Savagery... Draw five cards ?

AtheistGod · 12-23-2012, 11:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Obsidian Dice

You draw a card for each counter placed on it.

"Whenever a +1/+1 counter is placed" vs "whenever +1/+1 counters are placed." It's just like an ability that says "whenever you draw a card" will trigger four times off Tidings.

That was my initial thinking but there is a key difference between them.

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120.2. Cards may only be drawn one at a time. If a player is instructed to draw multiple cards, that player performs that many individual card draws.

I think it still works the way you said, but card draw triggers have this additional rule to help them.

BMillz1341 · 12-23-2012, 11:39 PM

The card is merely average. At 4 mana he just acts like a slower, less reliable version of Phyrexian Arena. You aren't going to want to attack with him often because you don't want to risk throwing away his drawing ability.

It is potentially a bomb in sealed, just average in draft, and unplayable in constructed. If Bloodgift Demon isn't getting played in standard, this isn't either.

MagicPeaces · 12-23-2012, 11:40 PM

So, a morbid-triggered Hunger of the Howlpack becomes Ancestral Recall?

Never underestimate the power of card draw.

Da_Man · 12-23-2012, 11:43 PM

Oh man. I din't know what it is, but this card just works for me. The beautiful art, Evolve, draws cards, it's Simic, the 1/1 body is fragile for sure though. Somehow this week just got a lot better.

ty blitzer · 12-23-2012, 11:47 PM

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Originally Posted by jimmyrussles77

Increasing savagery = lol

Well that just made this card worth packing. Also use this with Simic Fluxmage and you start a system of sorts.

raventime22 · 12-23-2012, 11:47 PM

I guess each spoil this week will include the guild mechanic.

I guess I'm going to have to build that Experimental Kraj deck I've been putting off.

pablocrenshaw · 12-23-2012, 11:52 PM

Ok, so this confirms that Simic if clearly the best guild in Ravnica.

I don't think it's going to break any formats, but a bant deck could make it fun, Common Bond, Travel Preparations.

A solid card.

MrMunchlax · 12-23-2012, 11:55 PM

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Originally Posted by ty blitzer

use this with Simic Fluxmage

An interesting thought, but where will you get all of that mana? Unless you're in limited, a deck probably has better things to do.

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Originally Posted by sarutobi45

what do you call mothership ?

Mothership

urzishra · 12-24-2012, 12:06 AM

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Originally Posted by pablocrenshaw

Ok, so this confirms that Simic if clearly the best guild in Ravnica.

I don't think it's going to break any formats, but a bant deck could make it fun, Common Bond, Travel Preparations.

A solid card.

Rakdos/Selesnya decks will have you dead before you ever get this guy out.

I think the card is cool and interesting, but I don't think it is going to break a format in half yet. Besides, we have yet to see what any of the other guilds do yet. Not sold on a mechanic that requires me to have other things in order for it to work. Seems really bad to me.

pablocrenshaw · 12-24-2012, 12:11 AM

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Originally Posted by urzishra

Rakdos/Selesnya decks will have you dead before you ever get this guy out.

I think the card is cool and interesting, but I don't think it is going to break a format in half yet. Besides, we have yet to see what any of the other guilds do yet. Not sold on a mechanic that requires me to have other things in order for it to work. Seems really bad to me.

I'm getting killed by turn 3? Wow standard is broken...

12-23-2012, 11:32 PM	#32
Obsidian Dice Wizard Mentor Commander Rules Committee Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: Olympia, WA Posts: 555	You draw a card for each counter placed on it. "Whenever a +1/+1 counter is placed" vs "whenever +1/+1 counters are placed." It's just like an ability that says "whenever you draw a card" will trigger four times off Tidings. __________________ Recent/Popular Commander Articles: Cardboard Spotlight: Sun Titan A Dual History: Commander and Me Law Incarnate 1000 Commander Decks
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12-23-2012, 11:33 PM	#33
penguinofhonor Archmage Overlord Join Date: Mar 2010 Posts: 1,544	This is a great trigger for Evolve since it works so well with Graft. It's also probably part of yet another infinite Experiment Kraj combo. __________________ I hate angels. Commander: Anowon, the Ruin Sage Bosh, Iron Golem Experiment Kraj Karador, Ghost Chieftain Riku of Two Reflections
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12-23-2012, 11:36 PM	#34
gmax666 Ascended Mage Join Date: Jan 2011 Location: Muncie, IN Posts: 480	What I want to know is why someone hasn't said Corpsejack Menace with this. __________________ TheGolgariSwarm See you all in hell.
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12-23-2012, 11:37 PM	#35
LnGrrrR Archmage Overlord Join Date: Jul 2011 Location: Scott AFB Posts: 1,805	Increasing Savagery... Draw five cards ? __________________ IIW: Teenagers, mutants, ninjas, turtles or some combo thereof Last edited by LnGrrrR; 12-23-2012 at 11:42 PM.
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12-23-2012, 11:40 PM	#38
MagicPeaces Ascended Mage Join Date: Jun 2010 Location: California Posts: 342	So, a morbid-triggered Hunger of the Howlpack becomes Ancestral Recall? Never underestimate the power of card draw. __________________ Standard Humans Commander (EDH) Kaalia of the Vast Mayael the Anima
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12-23-2012, 11:39 PM	#37
BMillz1341 Archmage Join Date: Apr 2006 Posts: 938	The card is merely average. At 4 mana he just acts like a slower, less reliable version of Phyrexian Arena. You aren't going to want to attack with him often because you don't want to risk throwing away his drawing ability. It is potentially a bomb in sealed, just average in draft, and unplayable in constructed. If Bloodgift Demon isn't getting played in standard, this isn't either.
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12-23-2012, 11:47 PM	#41
raventime22 Archmage Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Toronto, Canada Posts: 914	I guess each spoil this week will include the guild mechanic. I guess I'm going to have to build that Experimental Kraj deck I've been putting off. __________________ MTGS: You guys do not speak for the wider Magic community despite what you guys think.
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12-23-2012, 11:52 PM	#42
pablocrenshaw Experienced Mage Join Date: Nov 2012 Location: Edinburgh Posts: 148	Ok, so this confirms that Simic if clearly the best guild in Ravnica. I don't think it's going to break any formats, but a bant deck could make it fun, Common Bond, Travel Preparations. A solid card.
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