It was decided that only by setting aside differences and forming an alliance could the humans, night elves, orcs and their allies possibly defeat the threat of the Scourge. As such, a meeting was organised to discuss plans to formalise this pact between the races on a remote isle in neutral territory, and each race sent forth their champions to act as representatives
The Undead Scourge however, has caught wind of this meeting, and has sent their own heroes in an attempt to sabotage the meeting and assassinate the participants. So the game begins...
Each night, the Undead will choose to eliminate a player. Each day, all the players will gather to discuss the previous night's occurences and decide to lynch a player.
Cooldown System:
The cooldown system works as follows - unless it has been explicitly stated otherwise in your role description, the use of your abilities is limited by cooldown. Once you have used your ablity, you cannot use it again until the cooldown period has elapsed. Cooldown does not occur in a specific number of days, but instead takes place on specific days that have already been pre-determined (eg. Day 2, Day 4 etc.). Uses of your abilities do not accrue, which means that if you neglect to use your abilities and a cooldown period elapses, you are still limited to a single use.
Voting System:
The necessary number of votes to lynch a player is not based on a simple majority. Instead, a player who receives the most votes after everyone has voted will be lynched. In the event of a tie, multiple players will be lynched.
Example:
There are 18 players left in the game. A and B have each received 6 votes, while C has received 5. When the final player casts his vote, either A or B will be lynched if they are voted for, since they will have the most votes. If the final player votes for C however, ALL three will be lynched.
In the event where not all players have voted but a single player has received so many votes that it is no longer relevant, that player will be lynched.
Example:
Again, there are 18 players. Player A has received 8 votes, player B has received 5, and player C has received 3. Two players have yet to vote, but there is no way that B or C could receive more votes than A, so A is immediately lynched.
Due to the nature of this voting process, PLAYERS ARE NOT ALLOWED TO UNVOTE. You are instead encouraged to use FOSs (Fingers of Suspicion) if you are unsure as to who your vote is going to, but wish to indicate suspicion of another player. A FOS tally will be kept along with the regular voting tally. Votes should be in bold red, FOSs should be in bold.
Again, PLAYERS ARE NOT ALLOWED TO UNVOTE. Have a good game everyone, and play fair. The game begins at Night.
Players, send in your night choices. Even if you choose NOT to do anything at night, please send me a PM saying so. Unless otherwise stated in your role description, abilities are to be used at NIGHT.
Also, just a reminder that PLAYERS ARE NOT ALLOWED TO UNVOTE.
Player List (Alive): 1. musashi 2. Mosschop 3. Azrael 4. Axelrod 5. Puzzle 6. kingcobweb 7. LJustus 8. carrion pigeons 9. Pibbly 10. Prizm 11. help im a bug 13. billking 14. HAWKEYE7 15. Crippled _Fist 16. Evil_Homestereo 17. StevieT92 18. armlx 20. aurorasparrow
Dead 12. fadeblue, the Far Seer, spirited away on the first night. 19. titus, the Blood Mage, impaled on the first night.
Dawn breaks, and the representatives gather to discuss further plans for the Alliance. Not all of you are present, however.
titus has been found dead in his quarters. He appears to have been impaled on an implement of some sort.
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titus, you are the Blood Mage, a Blood Elf hero who has embraced the darker side of magic.
Ability: Banish
You banish your target from the physical realm, rendering them unable to post or vote on the next night. As a side effect, your selected target will also be made immune to death on the night you choose to target them, due to their ethereal nature.
Victory Condition: Eliminate the Undead
fadeblue is nowhere to be found, but you all notice that he has left all his personal possessions behind, which probably means that he did not leave of his own volition.
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fadeblue, you are the Far Seer, a powerful Orcish shaman adept at predicting the future.
Ability: Far Sight
Choose a target. I will then send you a reply PM, informing you as to whether the target is Undead or Living. Far Sight is not subject to cooldown; you can use it once per night.
Victory Condition: Eliminate the Undead
You all notice a giant block of ice on one side of the camp area. Upon closer inspection, one of you identifies musashi and the lot of you struggle to free him. He is deathly weak, but still alive. As such, he will be unable to attend the council and vote until he has recovered, which will be when cooldown next occurs.
Finally, Azrael seems to be in a deathly slumber that he cannot be woken up from. As a result, he is unable to either post or vote today.
Summation: titus - Dead. fadeblue - Dead. musashi - Unable to vote until the next cooldown. Azrael - Unable to post or vote today.
Well, that's not a great start for we Living creatures, is it?
Interesting that Titus doesn't seem to have used his ability last night (perhaps it had a long cool-down period?
And the Far Seer's a nasty one to get rid of, geez. Are there any others among us able to tell stuff about people every night? I hope our intelligence, as it were, hasn't been crippled on the first night... that would suck.
Great, just great. We lose a Cop the first night. Random lucky guess by the undead?
Two deaths last night means one evil group + a serial killer (most likely), two evil groups (less likely), or one evil group + a stupid vigilante (least likely?).
I must say the twist on voting is going to make this interesting. No random voting (or, at least there shouldn't be randon voting). Everyone had best keep their votes very close to their chests until they have a very good reason.
My first speculation was that Titus must have targeted Azrael night one. His banish ability sounds like what happened to Azrael (except we can see Azrael's body and Banish sounds like the person should be gone completely). I'm guessing Musashi was nerfed for not sending in his night choice, can you confirn that Musashi? You can still post right?
More later. Looking forward to a good game.
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Ambush Krotiq makes me laugh so much. I keep rereading the card and it keeps not having Flash. In what sense is this an ambush again? I just have visions of this huge Krotiq poorly concealed in some bushes, feeling slightly sad that his carefully planned ambushes never seem to work.
Just realized something. There were 2 night kills, so the baddies (and maybe stupid vig) sent their choice. So Mushashi probably is either a baddie with an additional night choice that was just stupid or is Pro-Town (and still stupid).
So Mushashi probably is one of these
- Vig
- Undead Vig
- Undead Mafia Framer
- Undead Cop
- Cop or Cop like Role
- Role Blocker
- Doc
- Chef (?)
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I've been thinking about this game a lot more than is healthy for any human being.
Here's the story. We have 20 players, probably 5 mafia. There are 6 undead heros in wc3, including neutrals. If we all role-claim, it will be very, very easy to confirm townies, as living heros = good, undead heros = bad. If 2 people claim the same hero, one of them is lying, we lynch one, 50/50 shot, etc. etc.
As to the serial killer, it is either...
A) The 6th undead hero
B) One of the neutrals (firelord?)
C) Some random hero (unlikely)
If we all role-claim, then all I can say to the scum is "run for your life!"
Man, I hope we have more than one information ability among us. It would really suck if our FS was the only cop around. Anyway, I hope this game goes well for everyone, see you around!
What?! Look at the initial post; he is dead. Deceased. Kaputt. Indefinitely horizontal. In mafia games, you see, people are occasionally "killed off," and when that sad event occurs, he or she is no longer allowed to post, on account of rigor mortis and what-have-you.
'Welcome to Mafia Salvation', it said, 'Population: 3,660.' And someone, they never figured out who, had painted on the sign in red letters: '1,831 to lynch.'
Titus was, and I quote, "impaled." Crypt Lord, an undead hero, has the spell "impale." Draw your own conclusions.
Fadeblue's death puzzles me. The first thing that came to mind was "banish," but we know what that does and titus seems to have used it on Azrael. (Um, titus, bad move methinks.) The only other things I can think of are the Dark Ranger's charm... "spirited away" seems to be some sort of clue.
Anywho, random FOS: LJustus since I guess random FOS:this game::random voting:other games.
I'm guessing Musashi was nerfed for not sending in his night choice, can you confirm that Musashi? You can still post right?
Since this is outside of the game, I'll step in. musashi DID send in a PM informing me of night activity/inactivity. His current predicament was NOT the result of Mod punishment.
FOS Tally LJustus - 1 (kingcobweb)
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(It would also help if those who actually do wish to vote do so by using bold red text, like this - Vote Somebody.)
Just realized something. There were 2 night kills, so the baddies (and maybe stupid vig) sent their choice. So Mushashi probably is either a baddie with an additional night choice that was just stupid or is Pro-Town (and still stupid).
So Mushashi probably is one of these
- Vig
- Undead Vig
- Undead Mafia Framer
- Undead Cop
- Cop or Cop like Role
- Role Blocker
- Doc
- Chef (?)
I don't understand how you came to this conclusion. I'm guessing everyone had some kind of night choice, or if they didn't, the mod at least pretended they did to not give anything away.
Can we confirm that everyone has a non-vanilla townie role? I know that I do, and I'm not afraid to use it. Chaos boils in my veins.
Kingcobweb: that sounds like a remarkably bad idea. Even if all of the Alliance side role claim truthfully, the scum are going to claim alliance roles too. Before we've sorted the mess out the scum will have eliminated all the important players.
Obviously, they are going to claim. But if we have 3 different roles that 2 people each claim, a cop investigation/lynch the more suspicious one should sort it out pretty fast. It'll also leave us with 1/2 the game as confirmed townies- I fail to see the disadvantage to this.
Random FOS (not really random): Help I'm a Bug-calling out for other information roles to identify themselves is horrible strategy.
Puzzle: I have no idea if the Undead have information roles. I wouldn't be surprised if they did, but even so, that would have been a very lucky guess.
KCW, I think you are definately onto something. I mulled the notion of a mass role-claim myself while waiting for the game to begin. Let me lay my own reasoning right out on the table:
There are 4 races in this game (Human, Night Elf, Orc, and Undead). Each race has four heroes, is that correct? Our two deceased companions were both heroes from Good races, which bolsters that theory. There are 20 players in the game. If there are 4 Undead they could each be one of the undead heroes. Twelve heores from the remaining races = 16 Heroes. The remaining 4 could be Neutral Heroes. If there was an SK he would almost certainly be in this group.
If most of us are Good aligned Heroes, a claim like this would destroy the Undead before they even began. They would have literally, no safe role-claim except to claim a Neutral Hero. Having isolated them to this group, they would be quite easy to pick off.
I still recommend caution, however, you don't want to go spilling your abilities at the same time you role-claim. Then the Undead would know who to target next.
I have a compromise, which might work great. What if everyone indicated, right up front, only whether or not they were one of the 12 Good Aligned heores? Just say, I am one of the Twelve (actually it's ten now since two are dead). If more than 12 people claim to be one of the Twelve, then some are obviously lying. At that point we could reveal the just names (again NOT the abilities) and pinpoint exactly who was lying. If only 12 (or 10) claim, then we can be pretty certain that those 10 are confirmed Good.
I don't mind going this far, even this early, because it seems like it could work, and doesn't create a great deal of risk. I am one of the Twelve.
What do you say guys?
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Ambush Krotiq makes me laugh so much. I keep rereading the card and it keeps not having Flash. In what sense is this an ambush again? I just have visions of this huge Krotiq poorly concealed in some bushes, feeling slightly sad that his carefully planned ambushes never seem to work.
What neutrals are there? If theres one with a Banish-like ability, and the cop (assuming that we have more than 1) finds him, we know who the SK is. I don't know much about Firelord, but it seems like a Firelord SK would burn things to a crisp rather than sorta Banishing them.
KCW: I came to that conclusion by this.
1.Mafia and other kill both sent in choices.
2.Musashi was the last without a choice other than LJustice
3.If he was Mafia w/o ability, his choice would be the kill, and there weren't 2 or more others yet to have a choice (assuming the mafia has at least 3 members).
4.Therefore, mushashi has an ability or the mod is screwing with out minds. Either way, hes not a generic Mafia. He could be an SK too, considering he did get his choice in. In my first post I thought he was mod frozen.
KCW is probably town. He's bluffing Vig, and after last game he should realize Mafia claiming Vig is a really bad play most of the time. Or he's trying to make us think this.. or....
My heads starting to hurt. I'll believe KCW for now, but if anything pops up, I'll be a little more cautious.
Puzzle could be cop asking if he should reveal himself or just asking a question.
FOS Carrion Pidgeons for seeming to want to have the cops come out. His post just looks fishy for some odd reason.
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I like Axelrod's idea. I second that motion and will RC first to prove my innocence is the role claim is approved.
Just one question.
Couldn't a Undead claim a Good hero not being used? Or does someone have a list of characters that are in this game (like titus had last game).
Only if we assume there are Good Heros that are not being used. Like I said, there are only 12 to begin with. I would guess most of them (if not all) are in this game. Even so, the Undead would have a hell of a time trying to claim to be one of the 12 without knowing this information for certain. They risk screwing themselves completely. Claiming a Neutral would be safest. Now since there are not enough Good Heros to go around, some neutrals will be Good aligned, but isolating the Undead to this group can only be a good thing, right?
The list of characters is easily obtained. I could list them all now, but I don't think I will. What I want to hear right now is whether you are one of the 12 or not. Nothing else--not your actual character name, not abilities, just if you are in that group.
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Ambush Krotiq makes me laugh so much. I keep rereading the card and it keeps not having Flash. In what sense is this an ambush again? I just have visions of this huge Krotiq poorly concealed in some bushes, feeling slightly sad that his carefully planned ambushes never seem to work.
OK, sorry, since people are now wanting me to explain myself, I'll have to apologize for the double-post (assuming we're not allowed to edit).
I was hoping that Cops would come forward, because I have a protective ability that, though somewhat limited, could keep cops safe for a while. I realize that saying this is a foolish idea, but at least being targeted by the Mafia is better than being targeted by the Town.
I'm not very experienced at this game, if you couldn't tell.
I think it would be best if we all just came forward with our role NAMES, NOT ABILITIES. The difference between this and most games is that role name means close to nothing relating to the ability. There are multiple "healers" in the game, multiple vigilante-type people (aka every agility hero).
Mosschop: it's not unreasonable at all to think that there are multiple information roles, or some type of backup cop role. I don't see why this is a bad idea, and I'm going to change my FOS to Mosschop because this can only help the town.
Here, I'll start the role-claiming.
I am the Demon Hunter, as I was trying to hint earlier.
For those wanting a basic summary of the heros, here goes.
Undead heros:
Death Knight- used to be a Paladin. Possible don/godfather-type role?
Lich- Mr. Head Meanie
Dreadlord- vampire, basically
Crypt lord- giant beetle
Human heros:
Paladin- support
Archmage- general spellcaster *****
Mountain king- strong dwarf
Blood Mage- dead (titus)
Orc heros:
Blademaster- fast dude
Far Seer- dead (fade)
Tauren Chieftain- HULK SMASH
Shadow Hunter- support
Night Elf
Demon Hunter- me (hi!)
Warden- fast, in-and-out girl
Princess of the Moon- archer on a tiger
Keeper of the Grove- druid caster d00d
Neutral heros
Firelord- he's fire. He burns things.
Tinker- goblin inventor person
Brewmaster- panda bartender
Dark Ranger- UNDEAD archer
Pit Lord- UNDEAD 4-legged mean thing
Goblin Alchemist- doubt he's in the game. Terrible. Goblin riding an ogre.
BTW, with KCW's lay out of the roles, it looks like theres 4 Mafia (the Undead) and an SK. SK is probably neutral, maybe Pit Lord or Dark Ranger, though the Panda would be funny.
Considering KCW saying that impale is an Undead ability, that leaves the SK with making people disapper.
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Not having played Warcraft since the original game appears to be a disadvantage. I'm going to do a little background research just so that I can get a better feel for the game and see if the information being presented is correct.
I'll be back.
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Sorry to double post, but I just read KCW's last post after I posted.
I know being Firelord looks really bad. That's why I wanted to be one of the first to RC so it didn't look like i was trying to find a neutral hero that would be safe to claim. I'll even reveal my abilities so a cop can invetigate me to prove my innocence.
Also FOS HAWKEYE7 for being a lurker. I saw him reading the thread earlier.
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One, he's pointing at me, even after I've claimed an undisputed role and clarified my actions. Also, he's refusing to go along with the role claiming. You'd like a proper analysis before voting? Sorry, we're not going to get one. It's the first day.
No, I don't want anyone to uncover themselves completely.
The purpose of this role-claiming exercise is just to get people's names out there, not their abilities. If you're Town, what's wrong with stating "I'm this particular member of town," especially if we don't know what the different people's abilities are? This doesn't give any real information to the Mafia, and could possibly give some valuable information to the Town.
Now, about the cops, I've already said why. Read my previous posts, please.
Very interesting. Everyone, please. There is NO NEED AT THIS TIME to start spitting out your actual role-name. If you do that, it will be easier for the Undead to find an unclaimed character and just pick that one. You DEFINATELY don't need to be singing about your abilities (BUG!) I really think what I was suggesting before was safest and will eventually lead to the same result, but with less risk.
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Ambush Krotiq makes me laugh so much. I keep rereading the card and it keeps not having Flash. In what sense is this an ambush again? I just have visions of this huge Krotiq poorly concealed in some bushes, feeling slightly sad that his carefully planned ambushes never seem to work.
I think this is a case of inexperience with the game (mafia - not warcraft) on help_im_a_bug's part. I, for one, have NO experience with warcraft, so I couldn't tell you one thing about any of the heroes or undead.
Also, regarding my late reply to my role PM - I spend 12 hours a day during the week on a computer. I spend the weekends with my 2-year-old son, so posting on mafia games (and I play on several websites) is pretty darn low on my priority list. Ask Azrael - if he could talk today.
FOS Help Im A Bug. Doc is such a good Mafia claim, and you also tried to fish out inspection roles.
FOS Puzzle. You started off claiming to be naive, but got good all of the sudden. Hmm... Almost falls under Lynch all Liers. Trying to pull out cops like a newbie so Mafia can kill then sounds fun to me.
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Eventually, all our names are going to come out. What I was (and am) suggesting is that to start off, everyone should simply indicate whether or not their role is one of the Twelve Hero roles. KCW has now posted a list so it's fairly simple: Each race has 4 heros. There are 3 "good" races, so that equals 12 Good heros. Two have already dies, leaving 10 possibles. KCW has claimed one already, as has Bug. That leaves 8 unaccounted for. I will further refine my own role claim to state that I am indeed one of these 8 (which makes the claims of KCW and Bug somewhat more credible).
If everyone who has not said what they are would just say this much, I believe it would put the Undead in a serious spot. Either they claim one of these roles and when we ultimately reveal our names they get identified as lying, or they claim to NOT be one of those good roles, aka. neutral (as I believe you have claimed.)
There will be "Neutral" roles that are anti-undead because the numbers don't work out otherwise, but if all the Undead claim Neutral, we have isolated them and at the same time confirmed a large number or innocents.
Un-FOS: Help I'm a Bug
FOS: Hawkeye7
Hawkeye, your post smells like a delaying tactic to me. Are you saying you did no research into the game at all? Even after Medivh posted that helpful link in the Sign-up thread? Or do you just not know what to claim now (because you are the evil Undead).
Puzzle: You still haven't said if you are in that group. Suspicion rising.
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Ambush Krotiq makes me laugh so much. I keep rereading the card and it keeps not having Flash. In what sense is this an ambush again? I just have visions of this huge Krotiq poorly concealed in some bushes, feeling slightly sad that his carefully planned ambushes never seem to work.
*sigh* I guess there's just no winning in my situation, hmm?
I'm sorry I said the thing about cops earlier; I was hoping that we could get some real information to start things off with, plus, as I said earlier, I was willing to offer what little power I had to protect them (I'm nowhere near as powerful as a doc, but I was also hoping that, you know, a more powerful doc would see the cop role claim and protect them).
The problem is, if I get lynched and turn out to be Archmage, that's going to throw a big FOS on Puzzle, who I'm not really sure is scum, just a better player than I am. And I don't want to jeopardize the Town by having the first two lynchings be Town members.
I'm going to keep my FOS on Puzzle for the moment, because I still don't see the logic in not going along with the Role Claim. Also, something I just noticed:
Since we have a list of who could possibly be in this game, a mass roleclaim is probably the best thing right now, just how Acelrod suggested. You also have to remember we have 2 blocked people, which may or may not play into the intrests of the mafia.
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Isn't there a serious danger with this approach? I presume the undead's aim is to kill all/the majority of the goodies. At the moment there are, according to cobwebs list, a number of neutrals who they have no active interest in killing. Identifying ourselves as good makes the undeads job easier - it eliminates the neutrals from their hitlist.
Not really. Look at it this way. There are 18 people left alive in this game, right? There are going to be at least 4 Undead, possibly 5. Plus a likely SK (because there were 2 kills night 1) If you subtract those numbers from the number left alive you see that there are 12-13 Good or Good aligned characters. Saying that you are one of the 12 (or ten now as I keep saying) does not identify you with any particularity. What it does is create a large base of potentially confirmed good players. I say potentially, because we don't yet know what the claiming will reveal. All I am saying it that this has a good chance of helping with comparatively little risk.
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Ambush Krotiq makes me laugh so much. I keep rereading the card and it keeps not having Flash. In what sense is this an ambush again? I just have visions of this huge Krotiq poorly concealed in some bushes, feeling slightly sad that his carefully planned ambushes never seem to work.
We've seen somebody impaled, which sounds quite like what the Lich can do.
You're an idiot. Crypt Lords have an ability named Impale. Titus was obviously killed be a Crypt Lord. Nuff said.
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If we give our names, the undead will easily associate our abilities with them.
This is true. However, the abilities are not quite so obvious if only given the name. For example, how could you know that the Blood Mage's ability was "Banish"? It could easily have been Phoenix (giving him an extra life) or Siphon Mana (target's ability doesn't recharge next cooldown) or even Pillar of Flame (if he was a vigilante). A roleclaim only hints at possible abilities, it doesn't spell them out.
In short, STFU Puzzle.
The problem I have with a mass roleclaim is that we should probably keep the doctor hidden. Even though I just said that the abilities aren't spelled out, I think it's brutally obvious that the Paladin is a doctor, and the Shadow Walker is the only other serious possibility I'm aware of. Right now we have the Undead and probably an SK to deal with... that's a lot of killing, and if we mass roleclaim the Undead/SK will know who are doctors are and we may well find ourselves helpless, especially now that our cop is dead. The doctor(s)'s identity is not information I'm comfortable giving up.
Even if the doctors protect themselves, there's probably some undead ability to get around it. I'm thinking Azrael is already under its effects... Sleep is a Dreadlord ability, amirite? If they use that on the doctors, that could toss a monkey wrench in the whole "docs protect each other" strategy.
Plus, it's not like there aren't neutral heroes in this game. There are. A mass roleclaim would likely cause massive collatoral damage upon them under suspicion of being SK. I don't think it's a fate they deserve.
I'm not saying a mass roleclaim is necessarily a bad idea. It might not be. But it does have risks and consequences, and I'd suggest that we do so carefully... preferably in a way that doesn't blow the cover of our doctors, and doesn't cause a mass genocide of neutrals. We should try to play smart instead of applying hard and fast rules. Think of Yuna from the end of FFX-2, before they fight Vegnagun. Yeah. What she said.
Spock is not portrayed correctly. If Vulcans are above petty emotions, what motivates him to join the most elite starship crew in the galaxy? I, on the other hand, have transcended the weakness of emotion and achieved a blissful lack of caring. Apathy is my strength, our strength, which prevents us from being all-to-human. In this spirit, may Meh be with you, always.
Once again, if ANYONE can provide me with a mathematical model proving that it works, fine. But do so now then !
Look, if you're so interested in a mathematical model, why don't you make one? Simply stating the need for one over and over without actually giving us one is just a stall tactic.
Spock is not portrayed correctly. If Vulcans are above petty emotions, what motivates him to join the most elite starship crew in the galaxy? I, on the other hand, have transcended the weakness of emotion and achieved a blissful lack of caring. Apathy is my strength, our strength, which prevents us from being all-to-human. In this spirit, may Meh be with you, always.
Puzzle, what you are saying makes absolutely no sense! The Undead already know who is not them. Confirming each other doesn't tell them anything they don't know. It might give the SK (assuming he exists) a better idea of who is Undead and who is not--but (1) he is going to be in the same role-claiming boat as the Undead and (2) chances are he will hit a Townie anyway, even without a partial claim because there are more of us than them.
I also think it is probably in the SK's best interest to try to hit an Undead early on anyway, because they can kill him back. Do I have that wrong?
Billking: I sort of agree about the role-naming. There is the potential to give something away, but that is why I'm saying DON'T SAY THE NAME. At least not yet. Just say if you're a good hero. We can work from there once everyone responds to that.
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Ambush Krotiq makes me laugh so much. I keep rereading the card and it keeps not having Flash. In what sense is this an ambush again? I just have visions of this huge Krotiq poorly concealed in some bushes, feeling slightly sad that his carefully planned ambushes never seem to work.
I also think it is probably in the SK's best interest to try to hit an Undead early on anyway, because they can kill him back. Do I have that wrong?
Yes, you do. The SK ideally wants to leave the Mafia alone until the Mafia:Townie ratio is about 2:1. Up until that point they're allies, both focused on killing off the townsfolk.
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Billking: I sort of agree about the role-naming. There is the potential to give something away, but that is why I'm saying DON'T SAY THE NAME. At least not yet. Just say if you're a good hero. We can work from there once everyone responds to that.
I think it's a bad idea to do this before we get a concensus that it's the right thing to do. If we don't get all Twelve (well Ten I guess) signed up by the end of the Day, they'll likely be the target of kills the next night. It's cool that we have a couple who have claimed already, because they'll get doctored and everything will be fine. But before we get more into it, I'd suggest we try to build a concensus.
Thus, I recommend Proposal One: All ten surviving members of the Twelve reveal themselves as members of the Twelve. They needn't give their exact role name. This process will commense once 1/3 of the town (six players) agree(s) to this proposal.
Spock is not portrayed correctly. If Vulcans are above petty emotions, what motivates him to join the most elite starship crew in the galaxy? I, on the other hand, have transcended the weakness of emotion and achieved a blissful lack of caring. Apathy is my strength, our strength, which prevents us from being all-to-human. In this spirit, may Meh be with you, always.
Spock is not portrayed correctly. If Vulcans are above petty emotions, what motivates him to join the most elite starship crew in the galaxy? I, on the other hand, have transcended the weakness of emotion and achieved a blissful lack of caring. Apathy is my strength, our strength, which prevents us from being all-to-human. In this spirit, may Meh be with you, always.
Billking, you FOS me because I refuse to give in my name BUT at the same time, you explain why I don't. Where's the sense in that ?
Because you objected rather politely, I'm going to try to refrain from cursing as I reply to you this time.
The reason I FOS'd you was because you were trying to compel other players not to roleclaim, and you were using "desperation" tactics (aka emotion) rather than logic. And that, my friend, is not the way to play Mafia. At least not to play it well. (I've learned a few lessons from last game.)
Spock is not portrayed correctly. If Vulcans are above petty emotions, what motivates him to join the most elite starship crew in the galaxy? I, on the other hand, have transcended the weakness of emotion and achieved a blissful lack of caring. Apathy is my strength, our strength, which prevents us from being all-to-human. In this spirit, may Meh be with you, always.
1) You don't take into account the fact that the Town has protective abilities. If the Mafia can figure out who the cops and docs are, then, well, so can we, and our own Docs can protect them! Also, we have cops, so if one of them gets lynched/impaled/shot and we can see a clear voting pattern, that will increase our probability of hitting scum the next day.
2) Your argument says nothing about Axelrod's idea. In fact, you haven't addressed it at all. What's to lose if we simply state that we are good heroes?
wow, go to school and there are four pages already, wow.
anyway, i dont think that a name call would be a good idea. How about we Race call. Say if you are orc, human, elf or neutral. As stated before, there are only 4 of each so we could narrow it down more. It would be more safe than Name calling as it would be tough to pick out doc/cop roles.
Anyway, anyone who has knowledge of the game, who has an ability to control other people's minds?
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Yes, you do. The SK ideally wants to leave the Mafia alone until the Mafia:Townie ratio is about 2:1. Up until that point they're allies, both focused on killing off the townsfolk.I think it's a bad idea to do this before we get a concensus that it's the right thing to do. If we don't get all Twelve (well Ten I guess) signed up by the end of the Day, they'll likely be the target of kills the next night. It's cool that we have a couple who have claimed already, because they'll get doctored and everything will be fine. But before we get more into it, I'd suggest we try to build a concensus.
Thus, I recommend Proposal One: All ten surviving members of the Twelve reveal themselves as members of the Twelve. They needn't give their exact role name. This process will commense once 1/3 of the town (six players) agree(s) to this proposal.
I vote for this proposal.
I, apparently, am on of the remaining 10. How's that bill?
I will second the propostition Billking. I really think Puzzle is scum right now after how he's acted, or he's a really bad townie. I'm almost ready to vote him right now, but I'ld rather go through the whole process so I don't end up getting OMGUS'ed or "vote x cuz he voted y"'ed out of the game. No need to lose random townies like what happened to Billking last game.
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Proposal One: All ten surviving members of the Twelve reveal themselves as members of the Twelve. They needn't give their exact role name. This process will commense once 1/3 of the town (six players) agree(s) to this proposal.
I vote for this proposal.
Well, considering that there have been three outright claims so far (KCW, Bug, Armix) plus my own claim to being one of the twelve, with your vote I would say we've got 5 "in favor" of this proposal already.
Pibbly: We are not name-calling (why is this hard for people to understand?) We are just saying if we are a Good Hero per KCW's list of names.
Edit while Previewing: With LJustus that makes 6. (Not that this proposal has any kind of binding authority, or anything) Come on folks. This could work.
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Ambush Krotiq makes me laugh so much. I keep rereading the card and it keeps not having Flash. In what sense is this an ambush again? I just have visions of this huge Krotiq poorly concealed in some bushes, feeling slightly sad that his carefully planned ambushes never seem to work.
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The Undead Scourge however, has caught wind of this meeting, and has sent their own heroes in an attempt to sabotage the meeting and assassinate the participants. So the game begins...
Each night, the Undead will choose to eliminate a player. Each day, all the players will gather to discuss the previous night's occurences and decide to lynch a player.
Cooldown System:
The cooldown system works as follows - unless it has been explicitly stated otherwise in your role description, the use of your abilities is limited by cooldown. Once you have used your ablity, you cannot use it again until the cooldown period has elapsed. Cooldown does not occur in a specific number of days, but instead takes place on specific days that have already been pre-determined (eg. Day 2, Day 4 etc.). Uses of your abilities do not accrue, which means that if you neglect to use your abilities and a cooldown period elapses, you are still limited to a single use.
Voting System:
The necessary number of votes to lynch a player is not based on a simple majority. Instead, a player who receives the most votes after everyone has voted will be lynched. In the event of a tie, multiple players will be lynched.
Example:
There are 18 players left in the game. A and B have each received 6 votes, while C has received 5. When the final player casts his vote, either A or B will be lynched if they are voted for, since they will have the most votes. If the final player votes for C however, ALL three will be lynched.
In the event where not all players have voted but a single player has received so many votes that it is no longer relevant, that player will be lynched.
Example:
Again, there are 18 players. Player A has received 8 votes, player B has received 5, and player C has received 3. Two players have yet to vote, but there is no way that B or C could receive more votes than A, so A is immediately lynched.
Due to the nature of this voting process, PLAYERS ARE NOT ALLOWED TO UNVOTE. You are instead encouraged to use FOSs (Fingers of Suspicion) if you are unsure as to who your vote is going to, but wish to indicate suspicion of another player. A FOS tally will be kept along with the regular voting tally. Votes should be in bold red, FOSs should be in bold.
Again, PLAYERS ARE NOT ALLOWED TO UNVOTE. Have a good game everyone, and play fair. The game begins at Night.
Players, send in your night choices. Even if you choose NOT to do anything at night, please send me a PM saying so. Unless otherwise stated in your role description, abilities are to be used at NIGHT.
Also, just a reminder that PLAYERS ARE NOT ALLOWED TO UNVOTE.
Player List (Alive):
1. musashi
2. Mosschop
3. Azrael
4. Axelrod
5. Puzzle
6. kingcobweb
7. LJustus
8. carrion pigeons
9. Pibbly
10. Prizm
11. help im a bug
13. billking
14. HAWKEYE7
15. Crippled _Fist
16. Evil_Homestereo
17. StevieT92
18. armlx
20. aurorasparrow
Dead
12. fadeblue, the Far Seer, spirited away on the first night.
19. titus, the Blood Mage, impaled on the first night.
titus has been found dead in his quarters. He appears to have been impaled on an implement of some sort.
fadeblue is nowhere to be found, but you all notice that he has left all his personal possessions behind, which probably means that he did not leave of his own volition.
You all notice a giant block of ice on one side of the camp area. Upon closer inspection, one of you identifies musashi and the lot of you struggle to free him. He is deathly weak, but still alive. As such, he will be unable to attend the council and vote until he has recovered, which will be when cooldown next occurs.
Finally, Azrael seems to be in a deathly slumber that he cannot be woken up from. As a result, he is unable to either post or vote today.
Summation:
titus - Dead.
fadeblue - Dead.
musashi - Unable to vote until the next cooldown.
Azrael - Unable to post or vote today.
Day 1 begins now. Discuss.
Interesting that Titus doesn't seem to have used his ability last night (perhaps it had a long cool-down period?
And the Far Seer's a nasty one to get rid of, geez. Are there any others among us able to tell stuff about people every night? I hope our intelligence, as it were, hasn't been crippled on the first night... that would suck.
Looks like titus could have hit Azreal, but it seems Azreals predicament is different than what titus's ability suggests would happen.
Also, Scum wise, prolly (from what I've seen in other games) theres either 3 Mafia and an SK, 2 groups of 3 Mafia, or 3-4 Mafia and a really bad Vig.
Two deaths last night means one evil group + a serial killer (most likely), two evil groups (less likely), or one evil group + a stupid vigilante (least likely?).
I must say the twist on voting is going to make this interesting. No random voting (or, at least there shouldn't be randon voting). Everyone had best keep their votes very close to their chests until they have a very good reason.
My first speculation was that Titus must have targeted Azrael night one. His banish ability sounds like what happened to Azrael (except we can see Azrael's body and Banish sounds like the person should be gone completely). I'm guessing Musashi was nerfed for not sending in his night choice, can you confirn that Musashi? You can still post right?
More later. Looking forward to a good game.
So Mushashi probably is one of these
- Vig
- Undead Vig
- Undead Mafia Framer
- Undead Cop
- Cop or Cop like Role
- Role Blocker
- Doc
- Chef (?)
Here's the story. We have 20 players, probably 5 mafia. There are 6 undead heros in wc3, including neutrals. If we all role-claim, it will be very, very easy to confirm townies, as living heros = good, undead heros = bad. If 2 people claim the same hero, one of them is lying, we lynch one, 50/50 shot, etc. etc.
As to the serial killer, it is either...
A) The 6th undead hero
B) One of the neutrals (firelord?)
C) Some random hero (unlikely)
If we all role-claim, then all I can say to the scum is "run for your life!"
(Unless I'm missing something. Very likely.)
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Titus was, and I quote, "impaled." Crypt Lord, an undead hero, has the spell "impale." Draw your own conclusions.
Fadeblue's death puzzles me. The first thing that came to mind was "banish," but we know what that does and titus seems to have used it on Azrael. (Um, titus, bad move methinks.) The only other things I can think of are the Dark Ranger's charm... "spirited away" seems to be some sort of clue.
Anywho, random FOS: LJustus since I guess random FOS:this game::random voting:other games.
Since this is outside of the game, I'll step in. musashi DID send in a PM informing me of night activity/inactivity. His current predicament was NOT the result of Mod punishment.
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LJustus - 1 (kingcobweb)
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(It would also help if those who actually do wish to vote do so by using bold red text, like this - Vote Somebody.)
I don't understand how you came to this conclusion. I'm guessing everyone had some kind of night choice, or if they didn't, the mod at least pretended they did to not give anything away.
Can we confirm that everyone has a non-vanilla townie role? I know that I do, and I'm not afraid to use it. Chaos boils in my veins.
Puzzle: I have no idea if the Undead have information roles. I wouldn't be surprised if they did, but even so, that would have been a very lucky guess.
KCW, I think you are definately onto something. I mulled the notion of a mass role-claim myself while waiting for the game to begin. Let me lay my own reasoning right out on the table:
There are 4 races in this game (Human, Night Elf, Orc, and Undead). Each race has four heroes, is that correct? Our two deceased companions were both heroes from Good races, which bolsters that theory. There are 20 players in the game. If there are 4 Undead they could each be one of the undead heroes. Twelve heores from the remaining races = 16 Heroes. The remaining 4 could be Neutral Heroes. If there was an SK he would almost certainly be in this group.
If most of us are Good aligned Heroes, a claim like this would destroy the Undead before they even began. They would have literally, no safe role-claim except to claim a Neutral Hero. Having isolated them to this group, they would be quite easy to pick off.
I still recommend caution, however, you don't want to go spilling your abilities at the same time you role-claim. Then the Undead would know who to target next.
I have a compromise, which might work great. What if everyone indicated, right up front, only whether or not they were one of the 12 Good Aligned heores? Just say, I am one of the Twelve (actually it's ten now since two are dead). If more than 12 people claim to be one of the Twelve, then some are obviously lying. At that point we could reveal the just names (again NOT the abilities) and pinpoint exactly who was lying. If only 12 (or 10) claim, then we can be pretty certain that those 10 are confirmed Good.
I don't mind going this far, even this early, because it seems like it could work, and doesn't create a great deal of risk. I am one of the Twelve.
What do you say guys?
KCW: I came to that conclusion by this.
1.Mafia and other kill both sent in choices.
2.Musashi was the last without a choice other than LJustice
3.If he was Mafia w/o ability, his choice would be the kill, and there weren't 2 or more others yet to have a choice (assuming the mafia has at least 3 members).
4.Therefore, mushashi has an ability or the mod is screwing with out minds. Either way, hes not a generic Mafia. He could be an SK too, considering he did get his choice in. In my first post I thought he was mod frozen.
KCW is probably town. He's bluffing Vig, and after last game he should realize Mafia claiming Vig is a really bad play most of the time. Or he's trying to make us think this.. or....
My heads starting to hurt. I'll believe KCW for now, but if anything pops up, I'll be a little more cautious.
Puzzle could be cop asking if he should reveal himself or just asking a question.
FOS Carrion Pidgeons for seeming to want to have the cops come out. His post just looks fishy for some odd reason.
LJustus - 1 (kingcobweb)
help im a bug - 1 (Axelrod)
kingcobweb - 1 (Mosschop)
carrion pigeons - 1 (armlx)
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Just one question.
Couldn't a Undead claim a Good hero not being used? Or does someone have a list of characters that are in this game (like titus had last game).
Only if we assume there are Good Heros that are not being used. Like I said, there are only 12 to begin with. I would guess most of them (if not all) are in this game. Even so, the Undead would have a hell of a time trying to claim to be one of the 12 without knowing this information for certain. They risk screwing themselves completely. Claiming a Neutral would be safest. Now since there are not enough Good Heros to go around, some neutrals will be Good aligned, but isolating the Undead to this group can only be a good thing, right?
The list of characters is easily obtained. I could list them all now, but I don't think I will. What I want to hear right now is whether you are one of the 12 or not. Nothing else--not your actual character name, not abilities, just if you are in that group.
I was hoping that Cops would come forward, because I have a protective ability that, though somewhat limited, could keep cops safe for a while. I realize that saying this is a foolish idea, but at least being targeted by the Mafia is better than being targeted by the Town.
I'm not very experienced at this game, if you couldn't tell.
Mosschop: it's not unreasonable at all to think that there are multiple information roles, or some type of backup cop role. I don't see why this is a bad idea, and I'm going to change my FOS to Mosschop because this can only help the town.
Here, I'll start the role-claiming.
I am the Demon Hunter, as I was trying to hint earlier.
For those wanting a basic summary of the heros, here goes.
Undead heros:
Death Knight- used to be a Paladin. Possible don/godfather-type role?
Lich- Mr. Head Meanie
Dreadlord- vampire, basically
Crypt lord- giant beetle
Human heros:
Paladin- support
Archmage- general spellcaster *****
Mountain king- strong dwarf
Blood Mage- dead (titus)
Orc heros:
Blademaster- fast dude
Far Seer- dead (fade)
Tauren Chieftain- HULK SMASH
Shadow Hunter- support
Night Elf
Demon Hunter- me (hi!)
Warden- fast, in-and-out girl
Princess of the Moon- archer on a tiger
Keeper of the Grove- druid caster d00d
Neutral heros
Firelord- he's fire. He burns things.
Tinker- goblin inventor person
Brewmaster- panda bartender
Dark Ranger- UNDEAD archer
Pit Lord- UNDEAD 4-legged mean thing
Goblin Alchemist- doubt he's in the game. Terrible. Goblin riding an ogre.
Also, UnFOS Carrion Pidgeons. I was overanalysing thing.
help im a bug - 1 (Axelrod)
kingcobweb - 1 (Mosschop)
Mosschop - 1 (kingcobweb)
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Stating what hero you are right now would *really* help your scumminess level.
POS @ armlx for being the FL/claiming neutral hero.
Considering KCW saying that impale is an Undead ability, that leaves the SK with making people disapper.
Greetings all.
Not having played Warcraft since the original game appears to be a disadvantage. I'm going to do a little background research just so that I can get a better feel for the game and see if the information being presented is correct.
I'll be back.
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I know being Firelord looks really bad. That's why I wanted to be one of the first to RC so it didn't look like i was trying to find a neutral hero that would be safe to claim. I'll even reveal my abilities so a cop can invetigate me to prove my innocence.
Also FOS HAWKEYE7 for being a lurker. I saw him reading the thread earlier.
BTW, good to see fellow players from Michigan, Hawkeye.
For obvious reasons.
One, he's pointing at me, even after I've claimed an undisputed role and clarified my actions. Also, he's refusing to go along with the role claiming. You'd like a proper analysis before voting? Sorry, we're not going to get one. It's the first day.
The purpose of this role-claiming exercise is just to get people's names out there, not their abilities. If you're Town, what's wrong with stating "I'm this particular member of town," especially if we don't know what the different people's abilities are? This doesn't give any real information to the Mafia, and could possibly give some valuable information to the Town.
Now, about the cops, I've already said why. Read my previous posts, please.
Also, regarding my late reply to my role PM - I spend 12 hours a day during the week on a computer. I spend the weekends with my 2-year-old son, so posting on mafia games (and I play on several websites) is pretty darn low on my priority list. Ask Azrael - if he could talk today.
FOS Help Im A Bug. Doc is such a good Mafia claim, and you also tried to fish out inspection roles.
FOS Puzzle. You started off claiming to be naive, but got good all of the sudden. Hmm... Almost falls under Lynch all Liers. Trying to pull out cops like a newbie so Mafia can kill then sounds fun to me.
Eventually, all our names are going to come out. What I was (and am) suggesting is that to start off, everyone should simply indicate whether or not their role is one of the Twelve Hero roles. KCW has now posted a list so it's fairly simple: Each race has 4 heros. There are 3 "good" races, so that equals 12 Good heros. Two have already dies, leaving 10 possibles. KCW has claimed one already, as has Bug. That leaves 8 unaccounted for. I will further refine my own role claim to state that I am indeed one of these 8 (which makes the claims of KCW and Bug somewhat more credible).
If everyone who has not said what they are would just say this much, I believe it would put the Undead in a serious spot. Either they claim one of these roles and when we ultimately reveal our names they get identified as lying, or they claim to NOT be one of those good roles, aka. neutral (as I believe you have claimed.)
There will be "Neutral" roles that are anti-undead because the numbers don't work out otherwise, but if all the Undead claim Neutral, we have isolated them and at the same time confirmed a large number or innocents.
Un-FOS: Help I'm a Bug
FOS: Hawkeye7
Hawkeye, your post smells like a delaying tactic to me. Are you saying you did no research into the game at all? Even after Medivh posted that helpful link in the Sign-up thread? Or do you just not know what to claim now (because you are the evil Undead).
Puzzle: You still haven't said if you are in that group. Suspicion rising.
I'm sorry I said the thing about cops earlier; I was hoping that we could get some real information to start things off with, plus, as I said earlier, I was willing to offer what little power I had to protect them (I'm nowhere near as powerful as a doc, but I was also hoping that, you know, a more powerful doc would see the cop role claim and protect them).
The problem is, if I get lynched and turn out to be Archmage, that's going to throw a big FOS on Puzzle, who I'm not really sure is scum, just a better player than I am. And I don't want to jeopardize the Town by having the first two lynchings be Town members.
I'm going to keep my FOS on Puzzle for the moment, because I still don't see the logic in not going along with the Role Claim. Also, something I just noticed:
How are you so sure that we have a serial killer?
Not really. Look at it this way. There are 18 people left alive in this game, right? There are going to be at least 4 Undead, possibly 5. Plus a likely SK (because there were 2 kills night 1) If you subtract those numbers from the number left alive you see that there are 12-13 Good or Good aligned characters. Saying that you are one of the 12 (or ten now as I keep saying) does not identify you with any particularity. What it does is create a large base of potentially confirmed good players. I say potentially, because we don't yet know what the claiming will reveal. All I am saying it that this has a good chance of helping with comparatively little risk.
This is true. However, the abilities are not quite so obvious if only given the name. For example, how could you know that the Blood Mage's ability was "Banish"? It could easily have been Phoenix (giving him an extra life) or Siphon Mana (target's ability doesn't recharge next cooldown) or even Pillar of Flame (if he was a vigilante). A roleclaim only hints at possible abilities, it doesn't spell them out.
In short, STFU Puzzle.
The problem I have with a mass roleclaim is that we should probably keep the doctor hidden. Even though I just said that the abilities aren't spelled out, I think it's brutally obvious that the Paladin is a doctor, and the Shadow Walker is the only other serious possibility I'm aware of. Right now we have the Undead and probably an SK to deal with... that's a lot of killing, and if we mass roleclaim the Undead/SK will know who are doctors are and we may well find ourselves helpless, especially now that our cop is dead. The doctor(s)'s identity is not information I'm comfortable giving up.
Even if the doctors protect themselves, there's probably some undead ability to get around it. I'm thinking Azrael is already under its effects... Sleep is a Dreadlord ability, amirite? If they use that on the doctors, that could toss a monkey wrench in the whole "docs protect each other" strategy.
Plus, it's not like there aren't neutral heroes in this game. There are. A mass roleclaim would likely cause massive collatoral damage upon them under suspicion of being SK. I don't think it's a fate they deserve.
I'm not saying a mass roleclaim is necessarily a bad idea. It might not be. But it does have risks and consequences, and I'd suggest that we do so carefully... preferably in a way that doesn't blow the cover of our doctors, and doesn't cause a mass genocide of neutrals. We should try to play smart instead of applying hard and fast rules. Think of Yuna from the end of FFX-2, before they fight Vegnagun. Yeah. What she said.
Spock is not portrayed correctly. If Vulcans are above petty emotions, what motivates him to join the most elite starship crew in the galaxy? I, on the other hand, have transcended the weakness of emotion and achieved a blissful lack of caring. Apathy is my strength, our strength, which prevents us from being all-to-human. In this spirit, may Meh be with you, always.
Look, if you're so interested in a mathematical model, why don't you make one? Simply stating the need for one over and over without actually giving us one is just a stall tactic.
Spock is not portrayed correctly. If Vulcans are above petty emotions, what motivates him to join the most elite starship crew in the galaxy? I, on the other hand, have transcended the weakness of emotion and achieved a blissful lack of caring. Apathy is my strength, our strength, which prevents us from being all-to-human. In this spirit, may Meh be with you, always.
I also think it is probably in the SK's best interest to try to hit an Undead early on anyway, because they can kill him back. Do I have that wrong?
Billking: I sort of agree about the role-naming. There is the potential to give something away, but that is why I'm saying DON'T SAY THE NAME. At least not yet. Just say if you're a good hero. We can work from there once everyone responds to that.
Thus, I recommend
Proposal One: All ten surviving members of the Twelve reveal themselves as members of the Twelve. They needn't give their exact role name. This process will commense once 1/3 of the town (six players) agree(s) to this proposal.
I vote for this proposal.
Spock is not portrayed correctly. If Vulcans are above petty emotions, what motivates him to join the most elite starship crew in the galaxy? I, on the other hand, have transcended the weakness of emotion and achieved a blissful lack of caring. Apathy is my strength, our strength, which prevents us from being all-to-human. In this spirit, may Meh be with you, always.
Spock is not portrayed correctly. If Vulcans are above petty emotions, what motivates him to join the most elite starship crew in the galaxy? I, on the other hand, have transcended the weakness of emotion and achieved a blissful lack of caring. Apathy is my strength, our strength, which prevents us from being all-to-human. In this spirit, may Meh be with you, always.
Because you objected rather politely, I'm going to try to refrain from cursing as I reply to you this time.
The reason I FOS'd you was because you were trying to compel other players not to roleclaim, and you were using "desperation" tactics (aka emotion) rather than logic. And that, my friend, is not the way to play Mafia. At least not to play it well. (I've learned a few lessons from last game.)
Spock is not portrayed correctly. If Vulcans are above petty emotions, what motivates him to join the most elite starship crew in the galaxy? I, on the other hand, have transcended the weakness of emotion and achieved a blissful lack of caring. Apathy is my strength, our strength, which prevents us from being all-to-human. In this spirit, may Meh be with you, always.
1) You don't take into account the fact that the Town has protective abilities. If the Mafia can figure out who the cops and docs are, then, well, so can we, and our own Docs can protect them! Also, we have cops, so if one of them gets lynched/impaled/shot and we can see a clear voting pattern, that will increase our probability of hitting scum the next day.
2) Your argument says nothing about Axelrod's idea. In fact, you haven't addressed it at all. What's to lose if we simply state that we are good heroes?
anyway, i dont think that a name call would be a good idea. How about we Race call. Say if you are orc, human, elf or neutral. As stated before, there are only 4 of each so we could narrow it down more. It would be more safe than Name calling as it would be tough to pick out doc/cop roles.
Anyway, anyone who has knowledge of the game, who has an ability to control other people's minds?
I, apparently, am on of the remaining 10. How's that bill?
Well, considering that there have been three outright claims so far (KCW, Bug, Armix) plus my own claim to being one of the twelve, with your vote I would say we've got 5 "in favor" of this proposal already.
Pibbly: We are not name-calling (why is this hard for people to understand?) We are just saying if we are a Good Hero per KCW's list of names.
Edit while Previewing: With LJustus that makes 6. (Not that this proposal has any kind of binding authority, or anything) Come on folks. This could work.