This Mafia game is the restart of Warcraft 3 Mafia, which was aborted at the request of the players.
The United Nations - a place where the civilised nations of the world could meet up and adjucate international disputes in an organised, civilised manner. And yet underneath the surface lies tension, with each nation eyeing its neighbour suspiciously. Who can you trust, really? An ally one year could be an invader the next, or better yet, the invaded...
The game is divided into two distinct periods: the time spent away from UN meetings, and the talks conducted at the annual UN gathering.
Ex-Players
6. kingcobweb - USA
15. Crippled_Fist - Netherlands
18. armlx - UK
4. Axelrod - Egypt
8. carrion pigeons - Brazil
10. Prizm - India
13. billking - Canada
2. Mosschop - France
20. aurorasparrow - Japan
7. LJustus - Timor Leste
12. fadeblue - Malaysia
11. help im a bug - Nepal
14.HAWKEYE7 - South Africa
21. mathninjas - New Zealand
3. Azrael - Australia
19.titus - Poland
Voting System:
The necessary number of votes to lynch a player is not based on a simple majority. Instead, a player who receives the most votes after everyone has voted will be lynched. In the event of a tie, multiple players will be lynched.
Example:
There are 18 players left in the game. A and B have each received 6 votes, while C has received 5. When the final player casts his vote, either A or B will be lynched if they are voted for, since they will have the most votes. If the final player votes for C however, ALL three will be lynched.
In the event where not all players have voted but a single player has received so many votes that it is no longer relevant, that player will be lynched.
Example:
Again, there are 18 players. Player A has received 8 votes, player B has received 5, and player C has received 3. Two players have yet to vote, but there is no way that B or C could receive more votes than A, so A is immediately lynched.
Due to the nature of this voting process, PLAYERS ARE NOT ALLOWED TO UNVOTE. You are instead encouraged to use FOSs (Fingers of Suspicion) if you are unsure as to who your vote is going to, but wish to indicate suspicion of another player. A FOS tally will be kept along with the regular voting tally. Votes should be in bold red, FOSs should be in bold.
Disclaimer: There may or may not be several politically incorrect stereotypes about different countries being propagated in this game. If you are unable to see the humour in this, and will instead be taking this seriously, I suggest you skip this game.
The year has gone by, and it is once again time for the nations to gather. Sadly, there will be at least 2 nations this year who will not be participating.
In April this year, kingcobweb was wiped clean off the map in a number of coordinated saturation bombing attacks. The hydrogen bombs didn't help much either.
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kingcobweb, you are the USA, land of freedom and the American way. Since the US is the best at everything it does, you have a wide range of abilites to choose from while away from the UN Meeting.
Send Foreign Aid: Protect another nation from attack.
Conduct Investigation: Determine another nation's identity.
Order Nuclear Attack: Destroy another nation.
Impose Sanctions: Prevent another nation from participating at the next UN meeting.
Victory Condition: Eliminate all AGAINST US nations.
This September, the world was further shocked by the announcement that the formal government of Crippled_Fist was disbanding and would no longer be participating in international affairs.
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Crippled_Fist, you are the Netherlands, a land of tulips and windmills. NOT. There is so much more to your nation than those STUPID flowers, but do the other nations care? No. You have a rich history of political intrigue, but is anyone interested? No. Your legalisation of marijuana plus the rampant display of boobies on primetime TV have corrupted you.
Victory Condition: Have the number of AGAINST US nations equal or exceed the number of FOR US nations.
The first annual meeting of the United Nations commences now.
Last night turned out rather good for us. On the one hand, we lost a cop. That sucks, for sure. However, we also killed a Mafia member, which is good enough that it makes up for it. Now there's 2.6 townies per unit scum, up from 2.33 when the game started (assuming one SK and five Mafia, just like in WC3). As long as we keep this ratio above the initial state, it can be generally stated that we townies are winning. And right now, we're winning from that standard. Even if you consider the loss of a cop, I think as long as we maintain a numerical advantage we should be fine.
I'm hoping we have a second cop. At first I didn't think this game was as chock-loaded with abilities as WC3Mafia, but after reading the description of the US's role I wonder. Is there another out there? Oh well... I don't think there's any way that any of us could determine the answer to that question. Which is a damn shame, because it would be easier to figure out what our overall strategy would be if we had that information. However, this isn't information that we can risk having fall into enemy hands; keeping a second cop alive would be paramount at this stage in the game. I guess we'll have to take a middle path, accomodating both the possibility that another cop exists and the possibility that we are now relatively alone. Regardless of the answer here, our numerical advantage gives us a good start. Even copless I wouldn't despair, at least not yet.
Don't have much else to say. Just through I'd say something to get the ball rolling before I sleep (even now I'm quite sleep-deprived). I'll probably be back in about 8-9 hours. Until then....
lurkerFOS Azrael, just because I want to hear what you have to say. I'm hoping that after being scum last game you're back to your usual townie self.
Spock is not portrayed correctly. If Vulcans are above petty emotions, what motivates him to join the most elite starship crew in the galaxy? I, on the other hand, have transcended the weakness of emotion and achieved a blissful lack of caring. Apathy is my strength, our strength, which prevents us from being all-to-human. In this spirit, may Meh be with you, always.
Wow. Very interesting. I do believe we have a SK to thank for Crippled Fist (or a stupid/lucky vigilante--not very likely). KCW was like, the uber-nation. If I were to hazard a guess, however, I would guess that all his abilities are duplicated in other nations. So hopefully we still have at least one Doc/Cop/Vig. left.
Minor Pinkie of Concern (POC) on Azrael for still being alive and apparantly untargeted by SK or Mafia last night. (I mean, after last game, come on )
Looking forward to a good game.
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Ambush Krotiq makes me laugh so much. I keep rereading the card and it keeps not having Flash. In what sense is this an ambush again? I just have visions of this huge Krotiq poorly concealed in some bushes, feeling slightly sad that his carefully planned ambushes never seem to work.
One and one on night one is not that bad. Nice shot however that was.
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RELAPSED MAFIA JUNKIE
W – 33, L – 19, Broke Games - 9
Calvin & Hobbs Mafia, Mafia MVP
X-Men Mafia Town MVP
Simpson's Mafia - best use of character
Mtgnews Mafia Mafia - Town Madman
Mythos Mafia: the Dunwich Massacre Town MVP
English Literature Mafia Town MVP
Best Role-Playing Sin City Mafia
Werewolf Mafia - Mafia MVP
Doctor Mafia - Mafia MVP
Mafia: Escape from the Cylons - Town MVP
Lost Mafia - Co SK Winner with Kops
Random Mafia 3 - Town MVP
Wow. Very interesting. I do believe we have a SK to thank for Crippled Fist (or a stupid/lucky vigilante--not very likely). KCW was like, the uber-nation. If I were to hazard a guess, however, I would guess that all his abilities are duplicated in other nations. So hopefully we still have at least one Doc/Cop/Vig. left.
Minor Pinkie of Concern (POC) on Azrael for still being alive and apparantly untargeted by SK or Mafia last night. (I mean, after last game, come on )
Looking forward to a good game.
*shrugs* I think asking for the doc may have scared them off.
I probably won't last much longer, but you never know what could happen, or what role I might have.
Losing the USA was pretty unfortunate. We lost a doc, a cop, a roleblocker, AND a vigilante, all rolled into one. We hit a scum too, which is good, but losing our most powerful townie role on the first night isn't exactly cause for celebration.
*sighs* So much for the missile defense system, eh?
I'm guessing that North Korea or some other rogue nation such as that is probably going to be our SK. It'll also be interesting to see how other asian nations, like China, Russia, and those in the Middle East, pan out.
I bet it's pretty likely that Az was neutered this game thanks to the last one. We can't really afford to skew the game over and over by giving important roles to the same players, especially when they start becoming favorite targets. Why does it always seem like a cop dies on the first night? And this time, not only a cop but a vig and a doc too. That was pretty insane. But it's pretty obvious that we have to at least have another doc and a cop, or else there would be no way for us to have the cop be protected, which would totally be unbalanced.
What?! Look at the initial post; he is dead. Deceased. Kaputt. Indefinitely horizontal. In mafia games, you see, people are occasionally "killed off," and when that sad event occurs, he or she is no longer allowed to post, on account of rigor mortis and what-have-you.
'Welcome to Mafia Salvation', it said, 'Population: 3,660.' And someone, they never figured out who, had painted on the sign in red letters: '1,831 to lynch.'
Some how i dont think that a role call will do any good in this game, even if someone comes out and says "North Korea", because if Netherlands is mafia, anyone can be mafia.
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What?! Look at the initial post; he is dead. Deceased. Kaputt. Indefinitely horizontal. In mafia games, you see, people are occasionally "killed off," and when that sad event occurs, he or she is no longer allowed to post, on account of rigor mortis and what-have-you.
'Welcome to Mafia Salvation', it said, 'Population: 3,660.' And someone, they never figured out who, had painted on the sign in red letters: '1,831 to lynch.'
I'm guessing that North Korea or some other rogue nation such as that is probably going to be our SK. It'll also be interesting to see how other asian nations, like China, Russia, and those in the Middle East, pan out.
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Some how i dont think that a role call will do any good in this game, even if someone comes out and says "North Korea", because if Netherlands is mafia, anyone can be mafia.
My very first thought, when hearing the set up, was like Azrael's. Maybe the Mafia could be the "evil" nations--Iran, Iraq, North Korea., etc. Hvir. could have done this (despite the debacle of last game) because there are enough Nations to go around to allow the Mafia to falseclaim and hide. But now I probably agree with Pibbly. Netherlands isn't a Mafiaesque Nation whatever way you look at it.
If someone comes out and says they are North Korea, however, I'd probably look twice at them anyway.
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Ambush Krotiq makes me laugh so much. I keep rereading the card and it keeps not having Flash. In what sense is this an ambush again? I just have visions of this huge Krotiq poorly concealed in some bushes, feeling slightly sad that his carefully planned ambushes never seem to work.
The other option we have to consider is two Mafia groups. Theres also a chance of a Mafia cop that found KCW. Just throwing out some random theories, but if I was scum I would try to kill Axelrod, not KCW. This suggests they either
1. Knew KCW was the USA
2. Weren't thinking
3. Axelrod is mafia
Just random conspiracy theory, but I'ld keep an eye open for Axelrod. It's not FOS worthy, but..
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Albus Dumbledore, Harry Potter and the Sorceror's Stone
To the well organized mind, death is but the next great adventure.
ummm... wow that is really out there Armlx, Have you heard of a lucky guess? Wild speculation is best left to scum, so we can root them out. I think we should use logic.....
FOS armlx
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The other option we have to consider is two Mafia groups. Theres also a chance of a Mafia cop that found KCW. Just throwing out some random theories, but if I was scum I would try to kill Axelrod, not KCW. This suggests they either
1. Knew KCW was the USA
2. Weren't thinking
3. Axelrod is mafia
Just random conspiracy theory, but I'ld keep an eye open for Axelrod. It's not FOS worthy, but..
Huh? Am I supposed to be flattered by that, Armix? If you were scum you'd try to kill me? Gee thanks, I guess....(this is what I said about Azrael, except I was kind of joking, you know)
I'd FOS you, but for now I'm going to take it as a joke also. :tongue2:
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Ambush Krotiq makes me laugh so much. I keep rereading the card and it keeps not having Flash. In what sense is this an ambush again? I just have visions of this huge Krotiq poorly concealed in some bushes, feeling slightly sad that his carefully planned ambushes never seem to work.
I bet it's pretty likely that Az was neutered this game thanks to the last one. We can't really afford to skew the game over and over by giving important roles to the same players, especially when they start becoming favorite targets.
Heh. I think Hvir must have had a huge smile on his face when he gave me this role. It's pretty much a custom fit for me. If there comes a point later on where it's advisable to do so, I can share the information on it.
C'mon people. Still got a lot of lurkers out there yet who need to chime in. I'd love to send out some lurker votes on you, but that's probably not a great idea considering the setup ;). In the meantime I'll probably just FOS anyone who hasn't contributed anything meaningful by the end of the day.
The other option we have to consider is two Mafia groups. Theres also a chance of a Mafia cop that found KCW. Just throwing out some random theories, but if I was scum I would try to kill Axelrod, not KCW. This suggests they either
1. Knew KCW was the USA
2. Weren't thinking
3. Axelrod is mafia
Just random conspiracy theory, but I'ld keep an eye open for Axelrod. It's not FOS worthy, but..
It seems unlikely that in a game this size there would be two mafia groups.
Is it just me or do several of you players know each other from prior mafia games other then just Warcraft3?
I'm unfamiliar with many of you yet there seems to be a good deal of familiarity between many of the players.
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RELAPSED MAFIA JUNKIE
W – 33, L – 19, Broke Games - 9
Calvin & Hobbs Mafia, Mafia MVP
X-Men Mafia Town MVP
Simpson's Mafia - best use of character
Mtgnews Mafia Mafia - Town Madman
Mythos Mafia: the Dunwich Massacre Town MVP
English Literature Mafia Town MVP
Best Role-Playing Sin City Mafia
Werewolf Mafia - Mafia MVP
Doctor Mafia - Mafia MVP
Mafia: Escape from the Cylons - Town MVP
Lost Mafia - Co SK Winner with Kops
Random Mafia 3 - Town MVP
It seems unlikely that in a game this size there would be two mafia groups.
Is it just me or do several of you players know each other from prior mafia games other then just Warcraft3?
I'm unfamiliar with many of you yet there seems to be a good deal of familiarity between many of the players.
Yeah, a good number of us were together in Mafia Mafia, and I know a few players from games over on MT.
I don't have much meaningful to add. I didn't use my ability last night.
Like others, I think Netherlands is a clear indication that we can't expect the Mafia countries to be "typically evil" ones, nor does it seem like we can get much information about abilities simply based on country name.
armlx's logic also confuses me. Why would it be better to choose Axelrod over KCW? If anything, I would assume that Azrael would be the prime target of the Mafia.
I doubt anyone can question the choice of Axelrod over Azrael after Azrael publicly requested protection before the game even started. I don't doubt he got it, too. I admit, the choice to kill KCW seems odd, but he did contribute a lot last game, so it's hard to see why he wouldn't be chosen. And nobody can argue with success; there's little doubt that they got who they wanted to get, ability-wise. This certainly doesn't leave Axelrod above suspicion; after all, this will be his 4th game in a row being a good guy (if he is a good guy), which, while perfectly possible, is something that we might want to take into account. That may sound like playing the odds, but really it's just good sense to keep an eye on things that would be fairly unlikely if they were true. The fact that he is not dead after performing so well in previous games could indicate that he is mafia, or it could indicate that the mafia had some inside information, or that the mafia is made up of primarily newer members who haven't seen Axel's performance from the beginning. Or it could just be random chance. Who knows?
What?! Look at the initial post; he is dead. Deceased. Kaputt. Indefinitely horizontal. In mafia games, you see, people are occasionally "killed off," and when that sad event occurs, he or she is no longer allowed to post, on account of rigor mortis and what-have-you.
'Welcome to Mafia Salvation', it said, 'Population: 3,660.' And someone, they never figured out who, had painted on the sign in red letters: '1,831 to lynch.'
The fact that they took out our single most powerful role, even though it was attached to a novice player, seems to suggest that they have an investigative role. Otherwise, it's an incredible coincidence.
How do you suppose that would work, though? I mean, it seems like it would be hard to have to use two abilities during the night when one of them depends on the other. In any case, it hardly seems fair for the mafia to be able to scope a player out before they decide to whack him.
What?! Look at the initial post; he is dead. Deceased. Kaputt. Indefinitely horizontal. In mafia games, you see, people are occasionally "killed off," and when that sad event occurs, he or she is no longer allowed to post, on account of rigor mortis and what-have-you.
'Welcome to Mafia Salvation', it said, 'Population: 3,660.' And someone, they never figured out who, had painted on the sign in red letters: '1,831 to lynch.'
How do you suppose that would work, though? I mean, it seems like it would be hard to have to use two abilities during the night when one of them depends on the other. In any case, it hardly seems fair for the mafia to be able to scope a player out before they decide to whack him.
I've seen games where's it worked that way before.
Unless the mod decides to withold the results of their investigation until the end of the night, why not?
Steve, have you read the thread, i have posted, a couple times....
Anyway, no one has really given any thing away right now. And it seems that nobody with an information role has hit any good information, or is not willing to post. Not much we can do until every starts to post.... which should be soon. hopefully
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I have to squeeze in time online while I am at work so there will be periods that I have to leave my browser on a particular sight. Sometimes these are lengthy periods. The alternative is that I log off and that takes up too much time. I want to stay as up to date as much as possible since I have very limited internet access at night for the next week.
In a nutshell I'm not lurking, I'm away from my desk.
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RELAPSED MAFIA JUNKIE
W – 33, L – 19, Broke Games - 9
Calvin & Hobbs Mafia, Mafia MVP
X-Men Mafia Town MVP
Simpson's Mafia - best use of character
Mtgnews Mafia Mafia - Town Madman
Mythos Mafia: the Dunwich Massacre Town MVP
English Literature Mafia Town MVP
Best Role-Playing Sin City Mafia
Werewolf Mafia - Mafia MVP
Doctor Mafia - Mafia MVP
Mafia: Escape from the Cylons - Town MVP
Lost Mafia - Co SK Winner with Kops
Random Mafia 3 - Town MVP
The fact that they took out our single most powerful role, even though it was attached to a novice player, seems to suggest that they have an investigative role. Otherwise, it's an incredible coincidence.
The thing is, even if the Mafia do have an inspector (which is possible) and they have the power to inspect, find out the results, and then kill, they still would have had to decide to pick KCW to target for their inspection, which seems just as unlikely as their just picking him to kill in the first place. Unless they have some other way of identifying powerful roles. I'm not sure what that could be. That seems a bit unbalanced, however. Possibly, the Town is loaded with good roles this game to counter it.
I do have one alternative explanation. But I think I'm going to be keeping it to myself for the moment (I have no specific information, just a theory).
Slight FOS Mosschop (edit while previewing: and maybe Hawkeye.) People who say they have "limited access" and will be unable to post for a while make me suspicious. Didn't billking use that tactic just last game?
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Ambush Krotiq makes me laugh so much. I keep rereading the card and it keeps not having Flash. In what sense is this an ambush again? I just have visions of this huge Krotiq poorly concealed in some bushes, feeling slightly sad that his carefully planned ambushes never seem to work.
Yeah, I want to see a scan of the invitation and a photograph of you and her together (with a copy of the current days newspaper, of course). :biggrin3:
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Ambush Krotiq makes me laugh so much. I keep rereading the card and it keeps not having Flash. In what sense is this an ambush again? I just have visions of this huge Krotiq poorly concealed in some bushes, feeling slightly sad that his carefully planned ambushes never seem to work.
I think we have some pretty wild allegations going around right now, and I'm trying to make sense of them.
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The other option we have to consider is two Mafia groups. Theres also a chance of a Mafia cop that found KCW. Just throwing out some random theories, but if I was scum I would try to kill Axelrod, not KCW. This suggests they either
1. Knew KCW was the USA
2. Weren't thinking
3. Axelrod is mafia
Just random conspiracy theory, but I'ld keep an eye open for Axelrod. It's not FOS worthy, but..
There are more possibilities than that, I hope you know. I think the Mafia cop suggestion makes the most sense because I think kingcobweb may not have been the best player but he was definitely solid, so it would make sense for the mafia to investigate him before assigning their kill to the second best player (avoiding the first best because of doctors, etc.) On the other hand, it could have been a metagame ploy. This is how it works: the obvious move on the part of mafia is to kill the most important character, and so the most obvious move on the part of the doc is to protect the most important character. But what if the Mafia are aware of this situation? They might try to kill the second best character. And then, what if the doc is aware of that? So perhaps the Mafia killed kingcobweb because they knew he was a solid player who was unlikely to receive doctor protection.
However, I think your main point, carefully conceiled, was that Axelrod may be mafia. And against that particular point I believe you may have something.
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This certainly doesn't leave Axelrod above suspicion; after all, this will be his 4th game in a row being a good guy (if he is a good guy), which, while perfectly possible, is something that we might want to take into account.
This is faulty logic. Just because a coin flips heads three times in a row doesn't make tails any less probable on the fourth flip. I don't think you meant anything wrong here, so I'm not going to FOS you or anything, but I just want you to know that that isn't actually a sufficient reason to accuse someone.
What I see here are essentially two players making up crap and FOS'ing Axelrod. This leaves to me three possibilities:
1) they're both Mafia
2) they're both stupid enough to believe what they posted
3) at least one knows more than they're letting on
For some reason, my hunch is number 3. However, before I get to into it, I'm really curious as to what other people think. Anyone have an opinion?
Until then, FOS Axelrod. You're in the hot seat now, so best start talking.
Spock is not portrayed correctly. If Vulcans are above petty emotions, what motivates him to join the most elite starship crew in the galaxy? I, on the other hand, have transcended the weakness of emotion and achieved a blissful lack of caring. Apathy is my strength, our strength, which prevents us from being all-to-human. In this spirit, may Meh be with you, always.
Wow. An actual vote. Seems so foreboding in this game when you know they can't be retracted.
I guess I understand where you are coming from Bug. StevieT92's posting has been kind of lame. But, you might want to, you know, explain a bit more. (without revealing that you are, in fact, a cop or something )
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Ambush Krotiq makes me laugh so much. I keep rereading the card and it keeps not having Flash. In what sense is this an ambush again? I just have visions of this huge Krotiq poorly concealed in some bushes, feeling slightly sad that his carefully planned ambushes never seem to work.
Spock is not portrayed correctly. If Vulcans are above petty emotions, what motivates him to join the most elite starship crew in the galaxy? I, on the other hand, have transcended the weakness of emotion and achieved a blissful lack of caring. Apathy is my strength, our strength, which prevents us from being all-to-human. In this spirit, may Meh be with you, always.
StevieT: Your first post was a random vote for someone you don't like. You then demanded that 2 "lurkers" post (Hawkeye, Pibbly) both of whom had posted before you did, and were, in fact, not lurking. You then said Mosschop could be making up his sister's party (which, technically, is true, but not exactly likely). So = lame. Notice I didn't vote for you, I just said I saw where he was coming from.
billking: exactly why am I on the hotseat? Because you say so? One person says if he were Mafia he would have killed me, and another says, hey this would be 4 whole games in a row Axelrod hasn't been Mafia. And you consider this suspicious on my part.
I guess this calls for an OMGUS FOS: billking. That is just dumb.
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Ambush Krotiq makes me laugh so much. I keep rereading the card and it keeps not having Flash. In what sense is this an ambush again? I just have visions of this huge Krotiq poorly concealed in some bushes, feeling slightly sad that his carefully planned ambushes never seem to work.
Maybe bug's under some kind of gag order and can only speak in votes?
Maybe bug can post multiple votes and is trying to play with our minds?
Maybe bug really is just being a dumbass?
I suppose I'd have to wait until Hivemaster updates before I can judge just what's going on here.
Ambush Krotiq makes me laugh so much. I keep rereading the card and it keeps not having Flash. In what sense is this an ambush again? I just have visions of this huge Krotiq poorly concealed in some bushes, feeling slightly sad that his carefully planned ambushes never seem to work.
Anyway, Billking, I didn't say that Axelrod was more likely to be mafia because of his record in past games. What I am saying is that it is improbable for a coin to land heads up 4 times in a row. I'm not saying anything about the probability of his being mafia being based on the fact that he was not mafia 3 times in a row before, but rather that the probability of being a goodie 4 times in a row is quite a lot less than the probability of being a goodie 3 times in a row. I said before that I wasn't playing the odds, but just keeping my eyes open to the probabilities. I'd make the effort to find a website or something that deals with the topic of subjective probabilities, but I don't really care that much. Suffice it to say that I accused Axelrod of nothing, but merely observed that IF he WERE good, then he's beaten the odds.
What?! Look at the initial post; he is dead. Deceased. Kaputt. Indefinitely horizontal. In mafia games, you see, people are occasionally "killed off," and when that sad event occurs, he or she is no longer allowed to post, on account of rigor mortis and what-have-you.
'Welcome to Mafia Salvation', it said, 'Population: 3,660.' And someone, they never figured out who, had painted on the sign in red letters: '1,831 to lynch.'
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The United Nations - a place where the civilised nations of the world could meet up and adjucate international disputes in an organised, civilised manner. And yet underneath the surface lies tension, with each nation eyeing its neighbour suspiciously. Who can you trust, really? An ally one year could be an invader the next, or better yet, the invaded...
The game is divided into two distinct periods: the time spent away from UN meetings, and the talks conducted at the annual UN gathering.
Remaining Players
1. musashi
5. Puzzle
9. Pibbly
16. Evil_Homestereo
17. StevieT92
Ex-Players
6. kingcobweb - USA
15. Crippled_Fist - Netherlands
18. armlx - UK
4. Axelrod - Egypt
8. carrion pigeons - Brazil
10. Prizm - India
13. billking - Canada
2. Mosschop - France
20. aurorasparrow - Japan
7. LJustus - Timor Leste
12. fadeblue - Malaysia
11. help im a bug - Nepal
14.HAWKEYE7 - South Africa
21. mathninjas - New Zealand
3. Azrael - Australia
19.titus - Poland
Voting System:
The necessary number of votes to lynch a player is not based on a simple majority. Instead, a player who receives the most votes after everyone has voted will be lynched. In the event of a tie, multiple players will be lynched.
Example:
There are 18 players left in the game. A and B have each received 6 votes, while C has received 5. When the final player casts his vote, either A or B will be lynched if they are voted for, since they will have the most votes. If the final player votes for C however, ALL three will be lynched.
In the event where not all players have voted but a single player has received so many votes that it is no longer relevant, that player will be lynched.
Example:
Again, there are 18 players. Player A has received 8 votes, player B has received 5, and player C has received 3. Two players have yet to vote, but there is no way that B or C could receive more votes than A, so A is immediately lynched.
Due to the nature of this voting process, PLAYERS ARE NOT ALLOWED TO UNVOTE. You are instead encouraged to use FOSs (Fingers of Suspicion) if you are unsure as to who your vote is going to, but wish to indicate suspicion of another player. A FOS tally will be kept along with the regular voting tally. Votes should be in bold red, FOSs should be in bold.
Disclaimer: There may or may not be several politically incorrect stereotypes about different countries being propagated in this game. If you are unable to see the humour in this, and will instead be taking this seriously, I suggest you skip this game.
To clear up future confusion:
night = away from UN meetings
day = UN meeting
nation = player
FOR US = townie
AGAINST US = Mafia
The US in FOR US and AGAINST US does NOT stand for 'United States'. Rather, it is the capitalisation of the pronoun 'us'.
In April this year, kingcobweb was wiped clean off the map in a number of coordinated saturation bombing attacks. The hydrogen bombs didn't help much either.
This September, the world was further shocked by the announcement that the formal government of Crippled_Fist was disbanding and would no longer be participating in international affairs.
The first annual meeting of the United Nations commences now.
I'm hoping we have a second cop. At first I didn't think this game was as chock-loaded with abilities as WC3Mafia, but after reading the description of the US's role I wonder. Is there another out there? Oh well... I don't think there's any way that any of us could determine the answer to that question. Which is a damn shame, because it would be easier to figure out what our overall strategy would be if we had that information. However, this isn't information that we can risk having fall into enemy hands; keeping a second cop alive would be paramount at this stage in the game. I guess we'll have to take a middle path, accomodating both the possibility that another cop exists and the possibility that we are now relatively alone. Regardless of the answer here, our numerical advantage gives us a good start. Even copless I wouldn't despair, at least not yet.
Don't have much else to say. Just through I'd say something to get the ball rolling before I sleep (even now I'm quite sleep-deprived). I'll probably be back in about 8-9 hours. Until then....
lurkerFOS Azrael, just because I want to hear what you have to say. I'm hoping that after being scum last game you're back to your usual townie self.
Spock is not portrayed correctly. If Vulcans are above petty emotions, what motivates him to join the most elite starship crew in the galaxy? I, on the other hand, have transcended the weakness of emotion and achieved a blissful lack of caring. Apathy is my strength, our strength, which prevents us from being all-to-human. In this spirit, may Meh be with you, always.
Azrael - 1 (billking)
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Minor Pinkie of Concern (POC) on Azrael for still being alive and apparantly untargeted by SK or Mafia last night. (I mean, after last game, come on )
Looking forward to a good game.
One and one on night one is not that bad. Nice shot however that was.
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*shrugs* I think asking for the doc may have scared them off.
I probably won't last much longer, but you never know what could happen, or what role I might have.
Losing the USA was pretty unfortunate. We lost a doc, a cop, a roleblocker, AND a vigilante, all rolled into one. We hit a scum too, which is good, but losing our most powerful townie role on the first night isn't exactly cause for celebration.
*sighs* So much for the missile defense system, eh?
I'm guessing that North Korea or some other rogue nation such as that is probably going to be our SK. It'll also be interesting to see how other asian nations, like China, Russia, and those in the Middle East, pan out.
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My very first thought, when hearing the set up, was like Azrael's. Maybe the Mafia could be the "evil" nations--Iran, Iraq, North Korea., etc. Hvir. could have done this (despite the debacle of last game) because there are enough Nations to go around to allow the Mafia to falseclaim and hide. But now I probably agree with Pibbly. Netherlands isn't a Mafiaesque Nation whatever way you look at it.
If someone comes out and says they are North Korea, however, I'd probably look twice at them anyway.
The other option we have to consider is two Mafia groups. Theres also a chance of a Mafia cop that found KCW. Just throwing out some random theories, but if I was scum I would try to kill Axelrod, not KCW. This suggests they either
1. Knew KCW was the USA
2. Weren't thinking
3. Axelrod is mafia
Just random conspiracy theory, but I'ld keep an eye open for Axelrod. It's not FOS worthy, but..
FOS armlx
Huh? Am I supposed to be flattered by that, Armix? If you were scum you'd try to kill me? Gee thanks, I guess....(this is what I said about Azrael, except I was kind of joking, you know)
I'd FOS you, but for now I'm going to take it as a joke also. :tongue2:
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armlx - 1 (Pibbly)
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Heh. I think Hvir must have had a huge smile on his face when he gave me this role. It's pretty much a custom fit for me. If there comes a point later on where it's advisable to do so, I can share the information on it.
It seems unlikely that in a game this size there would be two mafia groups.
Is it just me or do several of you players know each other from prior mafia games other then just Warcraft3?
I'm unfamiliar with many of you yet there seems to be a good deal of familiarity between many of the players.
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Yeah, a good number of us were together in Mafia Mafia, and I know a few players from games over on MT.
Like others, I think Netherlands is a clear indication that we can't expect the Mafia countries to be "typically evil" ones, nor does it seem like we can get much information about abilities simply based on country name.
armlx's logic also confuses me. Why would it be better to choose Axelrod over KCW? If anything, I would assume that Azrael would be the prime target of the Mafia.
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I've seen games where's it worked that way before.
Unless the mod decides to withold the results of their investigation until the end of the night, why not?
just checking in, and random FOS: Titus because i dont like him
HAWKEYE7 and Pibbly, cmon post
Great reason.
Anyway, no one has really given any thing away right now. And it seems that nobody with an information role has hit any good information, or is not willing to post. Not much we can do until every starts to post.... which should be soon. hopefully
I have to squeeze in time online while I am at work so there will be periods that I have to leave my browser on a particular sight. Sometimes these are lengthy periods. The alternative is that I log off and that takes up too much time. I want to stay as up to date as much as possible since I have very limited internet access at night for the next week.
In a nutshell I'm not lurking, I'm away from my desk.
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The thing is, even if the Mafia do have an inspector (which is possible) and they have the power to inspect, find out the results, and then kill, they still would have had to decide to pick KCW to target for their inspection, which seems just as unlikely as their just picking him to kill in the first place. Unless they have some other way of identifying powerful roles. I'm not sure what that could be. That seems a bit unbalanced, however. Possibly, the Town is loaded with good roles this game to counter it.
I do have one alternative explanation. But I think I'm going to be keeping it to myself for the moment (I have no specific information, just a theory).
Slight FOS Mosschop (edit while previewing: and maybe Hawkeye.) People who say they have "limited access" and will be unable to post for a while make me suspicious. Didn't billking use that tactic just last game?
However, I think your main point, carefully conceiled, was that Axelrod may be mafia. And against that particular point I believe you may have something.
This is faulty logic. Just because a coin flips heads three times in a row doesn't make tails any less probable on the fourth flip. I don't think you meant anything wrong here, so I'm not going to FOS you or anything, but I just want you to know that that isn't actually a sufficient reason to accuse someone.
What I see here are essentially two players making up crap and FOS'ing Axelrod. This leaves to me three possibilities:
1) they're both Mafia
2) they're both stupid enough to believe what they posted
3) at least one knows more than they're letting on
For some reason, my hunch is number 3. However, before I get to into it, I'm really curious as to what other people think. Anyone have an opinion?
Until then, FOS Axelrod. You're in the hot seat now, so best start talking.
Spock is not portrayed correctly. If Vulcans are above petty emotions, what motivates him to join the most elite starship crew in the galaxy? I, on the other hand, have transcended the weakness of emotion and achieved a blissful lack of caring. Apathy is my strength, our strength, which prevents us from being all-to-human. In this spirit, may Meh be with you, always.
just cause that was really suspicious FOS: Help Im A Bug
I guess I understand where you are coming from Bug. StevieT92's posting has been kind of lame. But, you might want to, you know, explain a bit more. (without revealing that you are, in fact, a cop or something )
Damn inability to edit.
Spock is not portrayed correctly. If Vulcans are above petty emotions, what motivates him to join the most elite starship crew in the galaxy? I, on the other hand, have transcended the weakness of emotion and achieved a blissful lack of caring. Apathy is my strength, our strength, which prevents us from being all-to-human. In this spirit, may Meh be with you, always.
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do u even know how to play this game??
billking: exactly why am I on the hotseat? Because you say so? One person says if he were Mafia he would have killed me, and another says, hey this would be 4 whole games in a row Axelrod hasn't been Mafia. And you consider this suspicious on my part.
I guess this calls for an OMGUS FOS: billking. That is just dumb.
Maybe bug's under some kind of gag order and can only speak in votes?
Maybe bug can post multiple votes and is trying to play with our minds?
Maybe bug really is just being a dumbass?
I suppose I'd have to wait until Hivemaster updates before I can judge just what's going on here.
Anyway, Billking, I didn't say that Axelrod was more likely to be mafia because of his record in past games. What I am saying is that it is improbable for a coin to land heads up 4 times in a row. I'm not saying anything about the probability of his being mafia being based on the fact that he was not mafia 3 times in a row before, but rather that the probability of being a goodie 4 times in a row is quite a lot less than the probability of being a goodie 3 times in a row. I said before that I wasn't playing the odds, but just keeping my eyes open to the probabilities. I'd make the effort to find a website or something that deals with the topic of subjective probabilities, but I don't really care that much. Suffice it to say that I accused Axelrod of nothing, but merely observed that IF he WERE good, then he's beaten the odds.
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