Like most of you after seeing the new esper commander I want to make a deck built around him. So i took my BW deck and added a third color. This is my first Esper deck and I like idea of gaining life, drawing cards, and a bit of pillow fort. There are still a few cards I'd like to add to the deck and after reading a few other threads about this deck I've got an idea on some good cards to add.
Right Now this deck is a mini fort with creatures. I have two heavy creature EDH decks and I want this to move away from creatures being the main win con. As I play this deck more it will definitely morph into a light creature/heavy enchantment deck.
IN toxic deluge cheap board wipe. Grand Abolisher protects you on the turn you want to combo out or just do something crazy. debt to the deathless - another win con, will be better once ai get a power artifact idyllic tutor - more tutor to get the pieces I need replenish - self explanatory hallowed burial - replace the command because I don't want to hit my noncreature stuff. People don't see tucking coming that often Coalition Relic - mana rock.
11/8
OUT oblivion stone - hurts me a lot. I know its a great card but we will see how it is without it
Decklists aren't allowed in the main forum, you should probably post this in the Multiplayer subforum instead. You can probably get a moderator to move it there for you.
Thank you for your post in my page (updated it tonight), here are some of my thoughts:
- World Queller: do not really like this guy as he has potential to hurt you just to have 1 person remove a problem.
- kor cartographer: 4 mana for a 2/2 and 1 land? Why not Land Tax or Tithe instead.
No Exquisite Blood? I understand some do not like combos, but each on their own are great.
Thank you for your post in my page (updated it tonight), here are some of my thoughts:
- World Queller: do not really like this guy as he has potential to hurt you just to have 1 person remove a problem.
- kor cartographer: 4 mana for a 2/2 and 1 land? Why not Land Tax or Tithe instead.
No Exquisite Blood? I understand some do not like combos, but each on their own are great.
World queller is one that has been on the chopping block. I like that it makes everyone sacrifice so it gets around certain things and I go up against a lot of planeswalkers and because I'm only running one at the moment if my Jace is not out then it basically kills all planeswalkers.
kor cartographer technically accelerates your mana because it puts the land into play. Land tax and Tithe put the land into your hand. It might be replaced with Tithe in the future I used to abuse the cartographer when this deck had a heavy reanimater theme to it. I don't run a lot of basics so land tax isn't that good in my deck but definitely a great card.
Exquisite Blood This is a card that I feel like will be put into the deck I don't want a lot of auto win cards, I know alone it's not, but once you drop that most people know what your trying to do and you get a bigger target on your head.
Path of Exile i'd rather give them a basic land then life.
beacon of immortality yea it's a win more card but It's perfect with the guildmage and at the moment it's really the only win more card in the deck.
Phyrexian Arena over Necropotence? They are both in there for sure, I hope the deck list is showing the whole deck.
Kor Haven I have one and it will probably go in now that I'm going to focus on the fort build.
Pristine Talisman I put that in my wishlist section, just need to go buy one. after reading other threads on this deck, that card is to good to pass up.
^^ thanks for commenting. Sorry of the cards were in the list, it was >1 am .
One thing I noticed is that you have a good amount of global removal (board wipes, etc). But not a whole lot of targeted removal. I feel Oblation is one of the best removals in white.
^^ thanks for commenting. Sorry of the cards were in the list, it was >1 am .
One thing I noticed is that you have a good amount of global removal (board wipes, etc). But not a whole lot of targeted removal. I feel Oblation is one of the best removals in white.
I'm starting to think I need to run Enlightened Tutor in my build. It just seems so good with all the enchantments and artifacts most of us are running in our Oloro builds.
it seems really good for a non heavy creature deck. What do you guys think?
Its a perfect card for the games where you end up burning all your other win cons without success (they get countered, removed etc...). In my build I'd only ever play it super late game to try to pump out creatures to win if all my other options are gone.
In a creature heavy build its redundant in my opinion. I'd probably just run the Serra Avatar that is going to be in the pre-con over it.
it seems really good for a non heavy creature deck. What do you guys think?
meh.... I have seen it in Tronstani decks... more times than not it is removed after you use life and before you can use it. It is used more in a token based deck.
I totally would put 25 into the Processor at 75. Seems like a good number.
HaHa true.
During that game I got paradox haze turn three and no one was bothered by it the whole game even when I had Oloro out. I was nice gaining 4 life, paying 2, drawing 2 cards, draining each opponent 2life then going to my draw step.
Pretty hefty updates on the deck list. Added some more fort cards and removal.
After getting the commander decks one card stood out illusionist's gambit seems like a great combat trick for when you get attacked while building your fort or your unprotected form a board wipe.
Hey guys. I'm trying to fit in island sanctuary, no mercy, and sphere of safety in to my deck. The deck list in linked in my signature any suggestions of what to take out would be much appreciated.:thumbsup:
Island: such a niche card. Most decks around here are legendary.dec or life lose decks. Can be replaced with better.
No Mercy, so good. Stop wheel decks and creatures that like the ping. Most players will HAVE to remove that before other enchantments.
SoS, it is great. but keep in mind, it is 5 CMC and needs to be supported by other enchantments that are not going to get blown away.
Hey guys. I'm trying to fit in island sanctuary, no mercy, and sphere of safety in to my deck. The deck list in linked in my signature any suggestions of what to take out would be much appreciated.:thumbsup:
Your deck is filled with really great cards so it is hard to find obvious cuts... this is what I would take out:
Psychosis Crawler - Slowly bleeds your opponents and could be a big beater. I don't see a way to draw infinite cards in your deck so for 5 I think you can do better.
Detention Sphere - Universal answer to any non land permanent and murders token armies. It is a temporary answer though (except for tokens) and I don't see away to abuse the stack triggers in your deck.
Coalition Relic - It is a great mana rock & fixer but you are running Mana Crypt, Sol Ring, and Chromatic Lantern already. Is another 3 mana rock needed?
Also how would you feel about Terminus over Final Judgment? Final Judgment gets rid of regular creatures forever but Terminus tucks generals and can possibly be cast for W.
Your deck is filled with really great cards so it is hard to find obvious cuts... this is what I would take out:
Psychosis Crawler - Slowly bleeds your opponents and could be a big beater. I don't see a way to draw infinite cards in your deck so for 5 I think you can do better.
Detention Sphere - Universal answer to any non land permanent and murders token armies. It is a temporary answer though (except for tokens) and I don't see away to abuse the stack triggers in your deck.
Coalition Relic - It is a great mana rock & fixer but you are running Mana Crypt, Sol Ring, and Chromatic Lantern already. Is another 3 mana rock needed?
Also how would you feel about Terminus over Final Judgment? Final Judgment gets rid of regular creatures forever but Terminus tucks generals and can possibly be cast for W.
Thanks for the input. Crawler and sphere were two cards I was thinking about cutting.
Terminus over Final Judgment - The big reason is that I like having Oloro on the field so I'm usually drawing multiple cards a turn so the miracle trigger is harder to get.
Thanks for the advice. It seems like No Mercy is the only auto included from the list. I might play around with Island I have a creature heavy meta.
Quick follow up, island sanctuary cant be a great card if you are losing tempo by not drawing during your end draw step. It can really deter early attacks as I can't think of any problematic creatures with flying that even if they hit you early will do some work. However, later in the game, it is iffy as it is not a catch all.
Like most of you after seeing the new esper commander I want to make a deck built around him. So i took my BW deck and added a third color. This is my first Esper deck and I like idea of gaining life, drawing cards, and a bit of pillow fort. There are still a few cards I'd like to add to the deck and after reading a few other threads about this deck I've got an idea on some good cards to add.
Right Now this deck is a mini fort with creatures. I have two heavy creature EDH decks and I want this to move away from creatures being the main win con. As I play this deck more it will definitely morph into a light creature/heavy enchantment deck.
1 Oloro, Ageless Ascetic
CREATURES [cmc order][15]
1 serra ascendant
1 snapcaster mage
1 vizkopa guildmage
1 grand abolisher
1 trinket mage
1 academy rector
1 graveborn muse
1 psychosis crawler
1 consecrated sphinx
1 kokusho, the evening star
1 sun titan
1 felidar sovereign
1 drogskol reaver
1 rune-scarred demon
1 ashen rider
ENCHANTMENTS [14]
1 bitterblossom
1 rhystic study
1 paradox haze
1 Propaganda
1 ghostly prison
1 karmic justice
1 detention sphere
1 necropotence
1 phyrexian arena
1 collective restraint
1 test of endurance
1 leyline of anticipation
1 Sanguine Bond
1 exquisite blood
ARTIFACTS [8]
1 mana crypt
1 sol ring
1 sensei's divining top
1 pristine talisman
1 coalition relic
1 chromatic lantern
1 well of lost dreams
1 gilded lotus
1 vampiric tutor
1 Enlightened tutor
1 path to exile
1 mana drain
1 counterspell
1 cyclonic rift
1 Unexpectedly absent
1 hero's downfall
1 Spell Crumple
1 cryptic command
1 return to dust
1 sphinx's revelation
SORCERYS [12]
1 demonic tutor
1 exsanguinate
1 idyllic tutor
1 toxic deluge
1 vindicate
1 replenish
1 damnation
1 hallowed burial
1 debt to the deathless
1 Final Judgment
1 merciless eviction
1 decree of pain
LAND [38]
1 command tower
1 reflecting pool
1 arcane sanctum
1 tundra
1 hallowed fountain
1 glacial fortress
1 mystic gate
1 azorius chancery
1 scrubland
1 godless shrine
1 isolated chapel
1 fetid heath
1 orzhov basilica
1 watery grave
1 drowned catacomb
1 sunken ruins
1 dimir aqueduct
4 island
4 plains
2 swamp
1 urborg, tomb of yawgmoth
1 bojuka bog
1 reliquary tower
1 strip mine
1 Kor Haven
1 temple of the false god
1 thespian's stage
1 vesuva
1 flooded strand
1 marsh flats
1 bloodstained mire
DECK STATS HERE
EDH
UWB Oloro, Ageless Ascetic
URG Animar, Soul of Elements
GGG Azusa, Lost but Seeking
GUB [Retired Primer] The Mimeoplasm BUG
Modern: UR Storm RU
Cube: WUBRG Pauper Cube GRBUW
Credit for the banner goes to DarkNightCavalier at Heroes of the Plane Studios
EDH
UWB Oloro, Ageless Ascetic
URG Animar, Soul of Elements
GGG Azusa, Lost but Seeking
EDH
UWB Oloro, Ageless Ascetic
URG Animar, Soul of Elements
GGG Azusa, Lost but Seeking
- World Queller: do not really like this guy as he has potential to hurt you just to have 1 person remove a problem.
- kor cartographer: 4 mana for a 2/2 and 1 land? Why not Land Tax or Tithe instead.
No Exquisite Blood? I understand some do not like combos, but each on their own are great.
Path of Exile over Swords to Plowshares?
I first thought of using beacon of immortality, but I had to understand it is a win more card.
Phyrexian Arena over Necropotence?
Kor Haven - decent land deterrent.
With the amount of mana you can produce: Vizkopa Guildmage might be worth a consideration.
OH I almost forgot: Why are you missing Pristine Talisman?
I buy HP and Damaged cards!
Only EDH:
Sigarda, Host of Herons: Enchantress' Enchantments
Jenara, Asura of War: ETB Value Town
Purphoros, God of the Forge: Global Punishment
Xenagos, God of Revels: Ramp, Sneak, & Heavy Hitters
Ghave, Guru of Spores: Dies_to_Doom_Blade's stax list
Edric, Spymaster of Trest: Donald's list
Thanks for the reply.
World queller is one that has been on the chopping block. I like that it makes everyone sacrifice so it gets around certain things and I go up against a lot of planeswalkers and because I'm only running one at the moment if my Jace is not out then it basically kills all planeswalkers.
kor cartographer technically accelerates your mana because it puts the land into play. Land tax and Tithe put the land into your hand. It might be replaced with Tithe in the future I used to abuse the cartographer when this deck had a heavy reanimater theme to it. I don't run a lot of basics so land tax isn't that good in my deck but definitely a great card.
Exquisite Blood This is a card that I feel like will be put into the deck I don't want a lot of auto win cards, I know alone it's not, but once you drop that most people know what your trying to do and you get a bigger target on your head.
Path of Exile i'd rather give them a basic land then life.
beacon of immortality yea it's a win more card but It's perfect with the guildmage and at the moment it's really the only win more card in the deck.
Phyrexian Arena over Necropotence? They are both in there for sure, I hope the deck list is showing the whole deck.
Kor Haven I have one and it will probably go in now that I'm going to focus on the fort build.
Vizkopa Guildmage he's in there to :] to good not to have.
Pristine Talisman I put that in my wishlist section, just need to go buy one. after reading other threads on this deck, that card is to good to pass up.
EDH
UWB Oloro, Ageless Ascetic
URG Animar, Soul of Elements
GGG Azusa, Lost but Seeking
One thing I noticed is that you have a good amount of global removal (board wipes, etc). But not a whole lot of targeted removal. I feel Oblation is one of the best removals in white.
Same goes for tutors, only see 2. Enlightened tutor?
Karmic Guide would fit nicely with the amount of creatures you have.
I buy HP and Damaged cards!
Only EDH:
Sigarda, Host of Herons: Enchantress' Enchantments
Jenara, Asura of War: ETB Value Town
Purphoros, God of the Forge: Global Punishment
Xenagos, God of Revels: Ramp, Sneak, & Heavy Hitters
Ghave, Guru of Spores: Dies_to_Doom_Blade's stax list
Edric, Spymaster of Trest: Donald's list
No worries.
Good point on the target removal I think adding a couple more will help. Some goes for tutors.
I had Karmic guide in and I replaced if for unburial rites because I can get a second use out of it.
EDH
UWB Oloro, Ageless Ascetic
URG Animar, Soul of Elements
GGG Azusa, Lost but Seeking
EDH Decks:
WUBOloro, Combo ControlWUB
UBOona Reanimator ComboUB
BRGProssh, Eater of the Blue MageBRG
UBRGrixis StormUBR
Rebuilding Jenara (stealyourstuff.dec)
Pauper Deck:
UBInspired SirenUB
EDH
UWB Oloro, Ageless Ascetic
URG Animar, Soul of Elements
GGG Azusa, Lost but Seeking
it seems really good for a non heavy creature deck. What do you guys think?
EDH
UWB Oloro, Ageless Ascetic
URG Animar, Soul of Elements
GGG Azusa, Lost but Seeking
Its a perfect card for the games where you end up burning all your other win cons without success (they get countered, removed etc...). In my build I'd only ever play it super late game to try to pump out creatures to win if all my other options are gone.
In a creature heavy build its redundant in my opinion. I'd probably just run the Serra Avatar that is going to be in the pre-con over it.
EDH Decks:
WUBOloro, Combo ControlWUB
UBOona Reanimator ComboUB
BRGProssh, Eater of the Blue MageBRG
UBRGrixis StormUBR
Rebuilding Jenara (stealyourstuff.dec)
Pauper Deck:
UBInspired SirenUB
meh.... I have seen it in Tronstani decks... more times than not it is removed after you use life and before you can use it. It is used more in a token based deck.
I buy HP and Damaged cards!
Only EDH:
Sigarda, Host of Herons: Enchantress' Enchantments
Jenara, Asura of War: ETB Value Town
Purphoros, God of the Forge: Global Punishment
Xenagos, God of Revels: Ramp, Sneak, & Heavy Hitters
Ghave, Guru of Spores: Dies_to_Doom_Blade's stax list
Edric, Spymaster of Trest: Donald's list
This weekend I will be updating the deck.
EDH
UWB Oloro, Ageless Ascetic
URG Animar, Soul of Elements
GGG Azusa, Lost but Seeking
I totally would put 25 into the Processor at 75. Seems like a good number.
EDH Decks:
WUBOloro, Combo ControlWUB
UBOona Reanimator ComboUB
BRGProssh, Eater of the Blue MageBRG
UBRGrixis StormUBR
Rebuilding Jenara (stealyourstuff.dec)
Pauper Deck:
UBInspired SirenUB
HaHa true.
During that game I got paradox haze turn three and no one was bothered by it the whole game even when I had Oloro out. I was nice gaining 4 life, paying 2, drawing 2 cards, draining each opponent 2life then going to my draw step.
EDH
UWB Oloro, Ageless Ascetic
URG Animar, Soul of Elements
GGG Azusa, Lost but Seeking
After getting the commander decks one card stood out illusionist's gambit seems like a great combat trick for when you get attacked while building your fort or your unprotected form a board wipe.
now that there are a good amount of enchantments in the deck I was also looking at Serra's Sanctum, Replenish, and Auramancer
EDH
UWB Oloro, Ageless Ascetic
URG Animar, Soul of Elements
GGG Azusa, Lost but Seeking
EDH
UWB Oloro, Ageless Ascetic
URG Animar, Soul of Elements
GGG Azusa, Lost but Seeking
Island: such a niche card. Most decks around here are legendary.dec or life lose decks. Can be replaced with better.
No Mercy, so good. Stop wheel decks and creatures that like the ping. Most players will HAVE to remove that before other enchantments.
SoS, it is great. but keep in mind, it is 5 CMC and needs to be supported by other enchantments that are not going to get blown away.
I buy HP and Damaged cards!
Only EDH:
Sigarda, Host of Herons: Enchantress' Enchantments
Jenara, Asura of War: ETB Value Town
Purphoros, God of the Forge: Global Punishment
Xenagos, God of Revels: Ramp, Sneak, & Heavy Hitters
Ghave, Guru of Spores: Dies_to_Doom_Blade's stax list
Edric, Spymaster of Trest: Donald's list
Your deck is filled with really great cards so it is hard to find obvious cuts... this is what I would take out:
Psychosis Crawler - Slowly bleeds your opponents and could be a big beater. I don't see a way to draw infinite cards in your deck so for 5 I think you can do better.
Detention Sphere - Universal answer to any non land permanent and murders token armies. It is a temporary answer though (except for tokens) and I don't see away to abuse the stack triggers in your deck.
Coalition Relic - It is a great mana rock & fixer but you are running Mana Crypt, Sol Ring, and Chromatic Lantern already. Is another 3 mana rock needed?
Also how would you feel about Terminus over Final Judgment? Final Judgment gets rid of regular creatures forever but Terminus tucks generals and can possibly be cast for W.
Retired Lists: Ghave - Hanna - Thrun - Zur
Pauper: Crypt Rats
Thanks for the input. Crawler and sphere were two cards I was thinking about cutting.
Terminus over Final Judgment - The big reason is that I like having Oloro on the field so I'm usually drawing multiple cards a turn so the miracle trigger is harder to get.
EDH
UWB Oloro, Ageless Ascetic
URG Animar, Soul of Elements
GGG Azusa, Lost but Seeking
Thanks for the advice. It seems like No Mercy is the only auto included from the list. I might play around with Island I have a creature heavy meta.
EDH
UWB Oloro, Ageless Ascetic
URG Animar, Soul of Elements
GGG Azusa, Lost but Seeking
Quick follow up, island sanctuary cant be a great card if you are losing tempo by not drawing during your end draw step. It can really deter early attacks as I can't think of any problematic creatures with flying that even if they hit you early will do some work. However, later in the game, it is iffy as it is not a catch all.
I buy HP and Damaged cards!
Only EDH:
Sigarda, Host of Herons: Enchantress' Enchantments
Jenara, Asura of War: ETB Value Town
Purphoros, God of the Forge: Global Punishment
Xenagos, God of Revels: Ramp, Sneak, & Heavy Hitters
Ghave, Guru of Spores: Dies_to_Doom_Blade's stax list
Edric, Spymaster of Trest: Donald's list