Sucking At Legacy: Good Decks You Aren't Playing

[morgan_coke]

This thread is for the discussion of my latest article, Sucking At Legacy: Good Decks You Aren't Playing. We would be grateful if you would let us know what you think, but please keep your comments on topic.

[Belgareth]

Before I comment too much , can I ask how long this article was in development for ?
It just seems quite out of date and I'm wondering if that is because it was put on the backburner.

I always love to see people trying to write about legacy, but please do not go around saying the format is very expensive as it is not.
The cost of playing legacy (even if you ignore the keeping your deck forever) is likely cheaper than playing T2 or even extended.

Example : A T2 zoo deck (use craig jones list from honolulu) cost much more to build than either solidarity or goblins.

T2 cards are always more expensive because they are in demand more, people always scream but legacy has dual lands.
So does T2 and they generally cost more !
So anyone reading this , please Don't be put of the format by it's implied cost as I can promise you that legacy can be a very easy format to enter and is very rewarding.

Apart from that It was nice to see Finns' deck get some airtime.

[Mr. President]

Dude, those decks are awesome.

[Gandork]

Meh, I'm not that on the decks, looks to be a bit slow and clunky.

Although it's not all that bad and i can be convinced if i see it in the top 32 at the either Mana Leak Open tourneys this weekend.

[TB2]

I liked the article, and hey, its about legacy.
It seemed like a good intro to some off the top 3 decks.

I would have liked to see a earlier one on the top 3 but maybe add salvagers?

[Wred_]

Nice article, I like those decks a fair bit. I think I will throw that WW deck together and give it a whirl.

Originally Posted by Belgareth

I always love to see people trying to write about legacy, but please do not go around saying the format is very expensive as it is not.
The cost of playing legacy (even if you ignore the keeping your deck forever) is likely cheaper than playing T2 or even extended.

Okay, I'm going to disagree with this. I play legacy whenever there is a tournament at my local shop, and I do my research accordingly. Now, there are some inexpensive decks out there, for sure. I happen to play a couple of them (Burn, UG Madness). I do however think that the $120 at least worth of Resets in Solidarity puts it firmly out of the budget range. There are definately better examples if you want to expound on the affordability of Legacy.

Also, your example of a standard deck, Jones' Zoo from Honolulu, isn't even from Time Spiral Standard. The 3 best decks right now in standard are Dralnu (2 Watery Grave, Teferi), Mono Green Agro (umm, is there even a $10 card in it?), and Dragonstorm (Steam Vents, Bogarden Hellkite). The format is a LOT cheaper than than Kami/Rav Standard was, simply by evolving away from 3-4 color decks by and large. I will say that the cost of legacy vs. the cost of extended is about even.

Also, I have never seen an original dual for less than half-again the price of its corrasponding shockdual. If I had, I would have gobbled them up in a heartbeat.

[Stormscape Master]

Originally Posted by Wred_

Nice article, I like those decks a fair bit. I think I will throw that WW deck together and give it a whirl.



Okay, I'm going to disagree with this. I play legacy whenever there is a tournament at my local shop, and I do my research accordingly. Now, there are some inexpensive decks out there, for sure. I happen to play a couple of them (Burn, UG Madness). I do however think that the $120 at least worth of Resets in Solidarity puts it firmly out of the budget range. There are definately better examples if you want to expound on the affordability of Legacy.

Also, your example of a standard deck, Jones' Zoo from Honolulu, isn't even from Time Spiral Standard. The 3 best decks right now in standard are Dralnu (2 Watery Grave, Teferi), Mono Green Agro (umm, is there even a $10 card in it?), and Dragonstorm (Steam Vents, Bogarden Hellkite). The format is a LOT cheaper than than Kami/Rav Standard was, simply by evolving away from 3-4 color decks by and large. I will say that the cost of legacy vs. the cost of extended is about even.

Also, I have never seen an original dual for less than half-again the price of its corrasponding shockdual. If I had, I would have gobbled them up in a heartbeat.

Resets are only about 20 each, cheaper if you go the Italian route. A lot of the Duals are around the same price as shocklands, but in my opinion Duals will maintain value/go up, while the shocklands go down when rotated out of standard.

As for the article, the decks did seem a bit out of date. Although I did like how you provided a small gameplan against the top 3 decks. Overall a good article.

[Wred_]

Originally Posted by Stormscape Master

Resets are only about 20 each, cheaper if you go the Italian route.

Okay, maybe you know of a website that sells them for less, but I did a search of 4 different sites and the cheapest I found them, if there were any in stock, was $30 a piece.

[Finn]

Jes wanna say that I would not wait for a Reset to bring Glowrider in vs. Solidarity with Death and Taxes. I would drop him the moment I had the mana or Vial counters.

Nice to see you make another interesting read though. GJ

[Feuerdrache]

Originally Posted by Wred_

Okay, maybe you know of a website that sells them for less, but I did a search of 4 different sites and the cheapest I found them, if there were any in stock, was $30 a piece.

What other card in Solidarity raises the price of the deck by any significant margin?

By contrast, the mana bases in Standard routinely run higher than Solidarity decks, what with the Ravnican duals.

[Belgareth]

Well I bought a playset of resets for 20$ , In uk old duals are still bellow new duals.
Anyone who thinks resets are 120$ is just a really bad shopper
Legacy IS cheaper than T2 and that's a fact.
Jones's deck was just an example but ok take the 5-colour domain zoo from extended , even more expensive !
Anyway I wont argue on morgans thread so if you want to debate it pm me

[Mr. President]

Originally Posted by Belgareth

Well I bought a playset of resets for 20$ , In uk old duals are still bellow new duals.
Anyone who thinks resets are 120$ is just a really bad shopper

Ad hominem much?

Maybe they just don't live in England.

[Effeetsnob]

Hmmm, I really want to try the ww... Looks fine indeed! The Eternal Garden also seems to have some stupid-good spunk.
*Goes to fire up MWS*
Oh and great writting as usual.

[mox]

As stated by other folks I always love to read about legacy, legacy just has a nice appeal to it. It's the a format with a great future ahead of it.

And keep writing more morgan, love you stuff!

EDIT: This article and the previous one you wrote inspired me and a friend to build several casual decks.. So I just wanted to thank you for that!

[Anarky87]

Originally Posted by Wred_

I do however think that the $120 at least worth of Resets in Solidarity puts it firmly out of the budget range.

Originally Posted by Wred_

Okay, maybe you know of a website that sells them for less, but I did a search of 4 different sites and the cheapest I found them, if there were any in stock, was $30 a piece.

Then you're severely overpaying for Resets. Ebay much? I was able to acquire a set for $60-$65 which is about what you should pay.

Maybe they just don't live in England.

And maybe they're just a really bad shopper . Or perhaps they don't live in England AND they're a really bad shopper, I suppose it could go either way.