Another day at Sally, there's just nothing quite like a good dose of the old healing Salve. Check your PMs, read over the active threads, stop by the mod lounge for a cup of tea and a glance at the. . . hello, what's this? Another mod has left the site?
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MtG:Salvation is always changing, and there are always little dramas that punctuate the time between Spoiler Seasons, a constant flux of names, friendships, rivalries . . but it always hits hardest when it's the staff who have been leaving the forums.
To stem the tide there was a round of promotions, but the latest batch of new hires didn't even last out a month, and most of them left without any word to why, simply dropping out like lost packets over a bad network connection. It seems pretty clear to you that something sinister is going on here - every day in recent memory you've logged on to find out that another mod has gone. Now there are only thirteen of you left, and signs are starting to point towards responsibility for this exodus lying somewhere amongst the remaining staff, and you all agree - it's time to take some drastic measures and regain control of MtG:S, before it's too late. . .
Welcome to CLAN CONTEST MAFIA
Rules and Etiquette:
1. Players may communicate privately within their own clan at any time.
2. This game is starting in Day. During the Day, each player may discuss and Vote to Lynch another player. The number required to Lynch will be announced at the beginning of the Day and with each Vote Count.
3. Votes must be in bold and of the format VOTE:sneakyhomunculus. If you revote, an unvote for your previous Vote is understood - you do not have to unvote unless you wish to refrain from Voting at that time. Votes in quotes will not be counted.
4. After a week has passed IRL, the number required to Lynch will subsequently decrease by 1 every 48 hours. If any players are tied to Lynch at that time, the player who has had the required Votes to Lynch longer will be Lynch. Please keep this in mind!
5. Once a simple majority is reached, that person gets Lynched. Twilight will be announced, and you may continue to discuss until the Lynch Scene is posted, at which time it will be Night. DO NOT POST in the game thread at Night.
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7. A Deadline will be set for Night Actions to be submitted, typically 72 hours barring extenuating circumstances. In the "morning" the events of the Night will announced. In any instance of death, I will reveal the character name, role, and alignment of the dead player.
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When everyone has confirmed, Day 1 will be announced; at that time you may begin posting.
You casually saunter in to the mod lounge, a quick check at the bottom of the page showing that you are yet again fashionably late - everyone else is here, waiting to begin. Before the last meeting descended into petty arguments, you all agreed that there was sufficient evidence to prove that these recent problems are coming from inside, from somewhere amongst the remaining 13 staff members; at least one of you is purposefully and willingly disrupting other staff accounts. . . and everyone also agreed that, starting today, the remaining staff would have to hash out who's loyal to the board and who isn't the old fashioned way: Majority Rules lynch mob style.
Time to get to it.
the Living (3/13)
Avatar of Kokusho HKKIDCyan KrashbotArchy
the Dead
Soul_Grind, Nai, Inspired Townie, modkilled Day 1.
Stormblind, fadeblue, Mafia Godfather, lynched Day 1.
kingcobweb, kingcobweb, Guttermod, implodedNight 1. XyreDiggy, urzassedatives, Vanilla Townie, lynched Day 2. Shadowlordurza-gc13, Feyd_Ruin, Townie Cop, banned Night 2.
Hunted Charlie, rancored_elf, Townie Miller, lynched Day 3. Mirariferro_man, Dr. Tom, Townie Doctor, modkilled Day 4. AjaxUDPodCubus, Woapallane, Mafia Roleblocker, hellbanned Day 4.
H'Roth-Gar, Lesurgo, Townie 1-Shot Dayvig, lynched Day 4.
wamyc, Hydrokinesis, Vanilla Townie, banned Night 4. loran16SorryGuy, Xyre, Mafia Lynch Enforcer, lynched Day 5.
Well, we've got some problems. Let's not tear each other apart, but let's get this solved.
Who bumped nan? I think we should agree that though we really have no way to know, we should make the most of today and try to get some ground covered even in the absence of any evidence. How do we do this? Well, we can't rush into a stupid lynch, so that only leaves:
Right now we have 313 views and 8 posts. Right now that unusual ratio can be explained pretty reasonably by the long time we had to wait to get this game started.
I think we can expect lurkers in the future, though, as that seems to be a characteristic ailment of mafia games on this site. We can check user participation and openness here. I'm just trying to make page one a useful page to view to get general info. Remember that no matter how long this game goes, we always have the option to view page 1 in our Subscribed Threads Page.
I wish I could edit my previous post to include the requitise brackets around [Vogue]. My apologies.
Also, there seems to be no stopping Stormblind in his mad rampage.
Oh and for all you newbs, this is the random joke vote stage....soooooooooooooooo
VOTE DRAGONLADY/AVATAROFKOKUSHO....You can't trust females. Especially mothers, as they're evil and manipulative. God knows Fayul was dangerous enough!
KILL THE WOMAN! :-P
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Vote Stormblind for being a woman hater and a follower of McCarthyism.
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Vote: loran16 for several reasons..one of which is that he suggested to vote for me, another is that he had no idea what a Phyrexian Negator was until I told him, and that he never talks to me on IRC anymore.:D
And yes, no incantatrix for you. Or anyone. That class makes puppies cry. Mostly because they are the former Big Bads who have been Baleful Polymorphed into said puppies. By you. Because you're an incantatrix.
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This is Deraxas we're talking about.
Remember, the girl that just killed an aspect of herself before literally consuming her?
Yeah, I don't see her handling a pissing match in any way other than a duel.
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Yes mistress...
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There are only so many epic, psuedonatural barbarian/blackguard half-dragon akutenshai vampire balor paragons they can throw at you, right?
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I suppose it's true. Though the logistics implied in a human/Great Wyrm Prismatic Dragon pairing makes me shudder.
...Something tells me that even should all arcane casters in the world unite, that the Grease spell would NOT be sufficient.
Stormblind, would you mind changing the color of your posting font so that it's a little higher contrast in the dark skin? Brownish-red is tough to read.
Vote: loran16 for several reasons..one of which is that he suggested to vote for me, another is that he had no idea what a Phyrexian Negator was until I told him, and that he never talks to me on IRC anymore.:D
Ive more or less disappeared from IRC lol. And, hey I deny all details of the Negator story. Never happened.
Second, you just OMGUS*ed me. How very womanly of you. Also, How very scummy of you.
Confirm Vote Jen.
*OMGUS=Oh my god U Suck- a vote cast on someone because that person voted or cast suspicion on you, an insanely scummy tactic that is generally associated with mafia and other scum peoples.
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I love Joboman, Poggy, Niv, and Vezok, because, while they may not be the best players, they still try to win. Having fun is the most important thing to a game, but I've learned that if you don't try to win, then you're ruining everyone else's fun.
UNVOTE loran16, revote Shadowlord...keeping women in check, eh? I don't THINK so! You'll need three strong men, a straitjacket, and a Hannibal Lecter- style muzzle..
And yes, no incantatrix for you. Or anyone. That class makes puppies cry. Mostly because they are the former Big Bads who have been Baleful Polymorphed into said puppies. By you. Because you're an incantatrix.
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This is Deraxas we're talking about.
Remember, the girl that just killed an aspect of herself before literally consuming her?
Yeah, I don't see her handling a pissing match in any way other than a duel.
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Yes mistress...
Quote from About epic-level D&D »
There are only so many epic, psuedonatural barbarian/blackguard half-dragon akutenshai vampire balor paragons they can throw at you, right?
Quote from Concerning breeding habits of humans in fantasy games »
I suppose it's true. Though the logistics implied in a human/Great Wyrm Prismatic Dragon pairing makes me shudder.
...Something tells me that even should all arcane casters in the world unite, that the Grease spell would NOT be sufficient.
And yes, no incantatrix for you. Or anyone. That class makes puppies cry. Mostly because they are the former Big Bads who have been Baleful Polymorphed into said puppies. By you. Because you're an incantatrix.
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This is Deraxas we're talking about.
Remember, the girl that just killed an aspect of herself before literally consuming her?
Yeah, I don't see her handling a pissing match in any way other than a duel.
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Yes mistress...
Quote from About epic-level D&D »
There are only so many epic, psuedonatural barbarian/blackguard half-dragon akutenshai vampire balor paragons they can throw at you, right?
Quote from Concerning breeding habits of humans in fantasy games »
I suppose it's true. Though the logistics implied in a human/Great Wyrm Prismatic Dragon pairing makes me shudder.
...Something tells me that even should all arcane casters in the world unite, that the Grease spell would NOT be sufficient.
What do you mean you haven't heard from me? What do I have to do?
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What do you mean you haven't heard from me? What do I have to do?
Imperfect observation on my part. Sorry about that. I copied over the list of the players and then crossed them off. I didn't notice your name in the "who has posted" list I was using.
I was just trying to flush lurkers, which it's clearly too early for there to be any real lurkers. And I suppose I should respect your lack of involvement if all we're going to do is throw around accusations.
But it would be nice to
A - bring the numbers of the mob up to a full compliment
B - and then give it some direction.
C - without killing too hastily.
Not only is your voice and posting style seriously annoying (it conveys a false sense of superiority), but you seem to be trying to lead the town so far. And while you haven't tried leading the town on a bandwagon, you have tried to call attention to lurkers only ONE day into the thread.
Obviously, I'm not sure if this will go anywhere, but you're current behavior seems rather newb scummy, and in an irritating way. Thus the vote.
@Jen, not letting you off the hook.....:-P
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I love Joboman, Poggy, Niv, and Vezok, because, while they may not be the best players, they still try to win. Having fun is the most important thing to a game, but I've learned that if you don't try to win, then you're ruining everyone else's fun.
I don't know if anybody here has played on MafiaScum, but I'm Glork on MS. See my wiki for, um... credentials/details.
FOS Glork. After Jathan, i have a natural dislike for mafiascummers.
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I love Joboman, Poggy, Niv, and Vezok, because, while they may not be the best players, they still try to win. Having fun is the most important thing to a game, but I've learned that if you don't try to win, then you're ruining everyone else's fun.
@loran: I'm just getting impatient. Random votes are meaningless to me and I want something to happen.
Sorry for coming across as bossy.
FoS: Everyone who hasn't posted yet.
Then Tip: Cut the impatience. This is MAFIA. Day 1s start slowly, and random votes are hardly meaningless. Neither are Mass FOSes incidentally. Those normally indicate (with exceptions on occasion) scummyness, as you attempt to spread suspicion on multiple others. Now im assuming you're not being serious here, but just a bit of advice, assuming you're on my team.
Course, I'll still keep my vote on you while you act this way.
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I love Joboman, Poggy, Niv, and Vezok, because, while they may not be the best players, they still try to win. Having fun is the most important thing to a game, but I've learned that if you don't try to win, then you're ruining everyone else's fun.
Oh and for all you newbs, this is the random joke vote stage....
And how long can I expect this stage to last? I've played the game in real life before, but never online. Obviously my normal strategy of getting everyone drunk then reading body language isn't going to be so hot here :p.
Vote Avatar of Kokusho: Anyone who hates islands, and likes pernicious deed more than psychatog is clearly a scumbag.
I was told today that this kid on my team called 911 twice this morning and hung up both times. They called back and his dad answered. The reason the kid called 911? He got an erection and didn't know what to do. I wish I was making this up.
FOS Glork. After Jathan, i have a natural dislike for mafiascummers.
I am not Jathan. Ask any other Scummers here on MTGS and they'll tell you that he's the bastard child that MS wishes it never had.
Awfully stupid reason to FoS somebody though. Forum association with a poster who isn't in this game? Sounds like you're reaching pretty darned far for a reason to throw suspicion around.
Stormblind's post just got me thinking. It seems a bit early to be trying to build a case against someone, but here, let's take a look at Loran16.
Exibit A:
... Second, you just OMGUS*ed me. How very womanly of you. Also, How very scummy of you. ...
*OMGUS=Oh my god U Suck- a vote cast on someone because that person voted or cast suspicion on you, an insanely scummy tactic that is generally associated with mafia and other scum peoples
Aside # 1
I have to start by saying that defining mafia slang IS very helpfull, and I appriciate that. The last thing I want is to misunderstand someone's post just because I thought the slang meant something other than what it actually does (and I don't know any mafia slang at all).
Aside # 2
I disagree with the assesment that OMGUS is generally scummy. To me it seems like a very natural reaction. Certainly an innocent person who is falsely accused is likely to take a negative view of the person picking on them. Obviously a more productive reaction would be to defend yourself, but I can see why a townie (espescially a newbie) would react with an OMGUS.
The Important part
In the quoted post, Loran says or imply that Avatar is scum... twice (highlited in blue in the quote). Unless he was serious with his first vote, he's just OMGUSED her back twice in the same friggin post where he said that sort of behavior is a scumtell!!
I don't think OMGUS is a good scumtell. I DO think someone saying "bad guys act this way" while he's acting that way is good sign he's a badguy. Overall I thought it was minor, but after a closer look I'm not so sure anymore.
Exibit 2
Unvote, Semiserious vote Wamyc.
Not only is your voice and posting style seriously annoying (it conveys a false sense of superiority), but you seem to be trying to lead the town so far. And while you haven't tried leading the town on a bandwagon, you have tried to call attention to lurkers only ONE day into the thread.
Obviously, I'm not sure if this will go anywhere, but you're current behavior seems rather newb scummy, and in an irritating way. Thus the vote.
Loran, you're casting a "semi serious vote" (whatever the hell that is),
You're casting a "semi-serious" vote (whatever the hell that is), just because wamyc is annoying you and trying to get the town out of the random stage? Possibly there's a strategic advantage to sitting on our asses and being idiots for a week, but if there is, I can't figure it out. Getting the town out of the random stage seems like a useful thing to me. Evidentally thats "noob scummy" rather than productive. Shows what I know.
Your next post you \FOS (Full of Suspicion? Face of Skepticisim? Full of sh*t???) Ajax UD. I don't know what FOS means... but from the context and your posting thus far, I'm gonna bet you're saying that you think he's probably skumm too. This time though, it's just for being him, and not even for anything he's actually done/not done.
This makes three posts in a row where you attempt to cast suspicion on someone else (three different people no less). Then look, your very next post you say:
Exibit 3
Then Tip: Cut the impatience. This is MAFIA. Day 1s start slowly, and random votes are hardly meaningless. Neither are Mass FOSes incidentally. Those normally indicate (with exceptions on occasion) scummyness, as you attempt to spread suspicion on multiple others. Now im assuming you're not being serious here, but just a bit of advice, assuming you're on my team.
Course, I'll still keep my vote on you while you act this way.
This makes TWO DIFFERENT TIMES in the first PAGE where Loran has described scummy behavior... then gone ahead and done the very action he was describing.
Ladies and gentlemen of the town, I think we've found us a legitimate target.
Unvote AoK, Vote Loran16.
Un an unrelated issue Townie points go to StormBlind for telling Loran and Ajax to cut it out. Completely pointless bickering that isn't related to in game behavior is definitely counterproductive. It clutters up the thread, and distracts from the task of identifying scum.
* HKKID has a sudden flash on insight while typing the above paragraph.
It was loran that started the bickering in the first place. I don't know if that qualifies as a scummy behavior or not... I do know it definitely qualifies as someone who is not being helpful though. Might as well add that to my anti-loran list.
I was told today that this kid on my team called 911 twice this morning and hung up both times. They called back and his dad answered. The reason the kid called 911? He got an erection and didn't know what to do. I wish I was making this up.
And how long can I expect this stage to last? I've played the game in real life before, but never online. Obviously my normal strategy of getting everyone drunk then reading body language isn't going to be so hot here :p.
I've also only played IRL, and the game seems signifigantly different. There seem to be a lot more accusations (especially because the way we play, you have to nominate someone before you can vote to kill them, so votes don't go flying off in every direction.) Also, there could be any number of crazy roles in the mix. (A lot of the online roles wouldn't work IRL.)
Also, I think you asked what FoS means. It stands for "Finger of Suspicion," and it's a way to cast doubt on a person without going so far as to vote for them.
And speaking of FoS, you've made quite a case, HKKID FoS: loran
I don't think that there's anything conclusive about the case, but it's a good start. I think I can explain what he meant by "semi-serious vote." I took it as a sort of probing vote to find out why I was acting like I was when some others were content to be all like "vote: so and so because they smell bad."
I answered that I wanted to get the show on the road and start figuring things out. But what about the inconsistencies in what you said was scummy and what you were doing? (Directed at loran, based on HKKID's post above.)
Stormblind's post just got me thinking. It seems a bit early to be trying to build a case against someone, but here, let's take a look at Loran16.
Exibit A:
Aside # 1
I have to start by saying that defining mafia slang IS very helpfull, and I appriciate that. The last thing I want is to misunderstand someone's post just because I thought the slang meant something other than what it actually does (and I don't know any mafia slang at all).
Aside # 2
I disagree with the assesment that OMGUS is generally scummy. To me it seems like a very natural reaction. Certainly an innocent person who is falsely accused is likely to take a negative view of the person picking on them. Obviously a more productive reaction would be to defend yourself, but I can see why a townie (espescially a newbie) would react with an OMGUS.
You can disagree all you want, but OMGUS is generally considered nontown in mafia games, especially in newb games (cuz experienced players avoid them).
The Important part
In the quoted post, Loran says or imply that Avatar is scum... twice (highlited in blue in the quote). Unless he was serious with his first vote, he's just OMGUSED her back twice in the same friggin post where he said that sort of behavior is a scumtell!!
I don't think OMGUS is a good scumtell. I DO think someone saying "bad guys act this way" while he's acting that way is good sign he's a badguy. Overall I thought it was minor, but after a closer look I'm not so sure anymore.
Also, confirming a random vote (still a joke vote btw) is not scummy. I didn't retaliate on her for her vote, my vote was A. already there, and b. a joke vote and still was. Im pretty sure most people figured i was joking.
Exibit 2
Loran, you're casting a "semi serious vote" (whatever the hell that is),
You're casting a "semi-serious" vote (whatever the hell that is), just because wamyc is annoying you and trying to get the town out of the random stage? Possibly there's a strategic advantage to sitting on our asses and being idiots for a week, but if there is, I can't figure it out. Getting the town out of the random stage seems like a useful thing to me. Evidentally thats "noob scummy" rather than productive. Shows what I know.
I cast a vote on wamyc because it looked like he was trying to LEAD THE TOWN. If you've ever played mafia, you'd know that a person leading the town, especially this early when we have no information can be extremely dangerous, as if the town isnt smart enough, theyll be led right into a mafia win (see the end game of court mafia incidentally....ugh)
Your next post you \FOS (Full of Suspicion? Face of Skepticisim? Full of sh*t???) Ajax UD. I don't know what FOS means... but from the context and your posting thus far, I'm gonna bet you're saying that you think he's probably skumm too. This time though, it's just for being him, and not even for anything he's actually done/not done.
FOS=Finger of Suspicion. Im joking again here with Ajax....mafiascum is another mafia site where a lot of players have questionable play (I'm in one game there...ugh). One player in particular, "jathan", tried to play over here....and got day 1 lynched for being a moron (once again: court mafia day 1)
So you're bet is quite wrong. I used the FOS here instead of the vote, because i didnt care to remove my vote from wamyc at this time (and still don't.)
This makes three posts in a row where you attempt to cast suspicion on someone else (three different people no less). Then look, your very next post you say:
Exibit 3
This makes TWO DIFFERENT TIMES in the first PAGE where Loran has described scummy behavior... then gone ahead and done the very action he was describing.
Ladies and gentlemen of the town, I think we've found us a legitimate target.
Unvote AoK, Vote Loran16.
CAN YOU READ WHAT I SAID! I said MASS FOSes are scummy, not a single 1!
Lets review my actions:
1. Voted jokingly Jen, and joked with her for like 2-3 posts.
2. Voted Wamyc (not jokingly), for what appeared to be an attempt to lead the town, especially in this stage.
3. FOSed Glork/Ajax jokingly because he said he was from mafiascum.
I FAIL TO SEE THE FREAKIGN CORRELATION.
Un an unrelated issue Townie points go to StormBlind for telling Loran and Ajax to cut it out. Completely pointless bickering that isn't related to in game behavior is definitely counterproductive. It clutters up the thread, and distracts from the task of identifying scum.
* HKKID has a sudden flash on insight while typing the above paragraph.
It was loran that started the bickering in the first place. I don't know if that qualifies as a scummy behavior or not... I do know it definitely qualifies as someone who is not being helpful though. Might as well add that to my anti-loran list.
So well....there is no case on me.....just a bull**** case made early into the random vote stage. It makes me want to Unvote and vote you for improper analysis ya know? I mean completely misinterpretting me and trying to put a case on me with false evidence?
But I'll be nice, and assume you had good intentions....for now.
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EBWODP: That unvote shouldnt be bolded, (sorry habit), i'm still voting wamyc.
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@Loran / Glork: Quit the bickering or it wont be good for town.
Unvote, Vote Loran16, Vote AjaxUD
I wasn't bickering for its own sake. I was pointing out that Loran seemed to be reaching for any reason to fling suspicion around. It seems as though at least one person (HKKID) agrees with me.
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In my experience, OMGUS isn't a tell either way, especially in the early/random stages of a game. In fact, I've played with several players for whom OMGUS is a pro-town tell; they naturally get offended or put-off when somebody accuses them of being scum, and they genuinely tend to think that their voters are more likely to be scumbags. At least in the MafiaScum meta, OMGUS is generally used simply as an early excuse for a joke/random vote, or a null tell, as it could indicate just about anything.
For those who have only played IRL: Forum mafia generally involves a sizeable amount of sifting through posts looking for behavioral patterns, tells, and so on. People can obviously be a lot more careful with their words. Assume that, since we can go through and edit/proof-read, think about what we say, that every single thing we say is deliberate and significant. That's the attitude with which I play, and it's usually a good one to hold.
Preview Edit: Actually, since editing/double-posting are taboo and we are encouraged to preview our posts, the "everything somebody says is deliberate" notion should hold doubly-true here.
Xyre: Have you played on MS? What is/was your username? I have a disturbingly accurate memory for people I've played with, so I'd probably recognize if we have played together.
(Forgive the repeated MafiaScum references this early on, but I like having some frame of reference from which to work. If it makes me even a little bit more comfortable in the early-goings of the game, I know that I'll be far more effective as a scumhunter.)
There are two reasons that I didn't like Loran's FoS of me.
1) He had already laid down a "semi-serious" vote. Usually when players start to move from joking/random to serious, they don't revert back to joking around. There are, however, exceptions to this rule (and, in fact, I tend to be one of those exceptions)
2) The wording of his post was ambiguous with regards to whether he was joking or not. If Loran had made it more obvious that he was joking, I seriously doubt that I would have reacted the way I did. But he didn't make his intentions clear, and I assumed that he meant something serious by it.
I think that HKKID's case against Loran is overstated, but I don't particularly like Loran's play, and his defense is difficult to evaluate. I find it interesting that he uses "joking" as his defense/excuse for having FoS'd me despite the fact that he asserts that early-game random actions are "hardly meaningless." Loran: What exactly did you hope to accomplish by FoSing me?
I'd also like everybody to weigh in on this early HKKID-Loran debate. It interests me, and I want to see what kind of fallout it brings.
By the way, quick sidenote: I answer to either Glork or Ajax; I suspect people who have seen me on MS or elsewhere will refer to me as Glork, and those of you who don't know me will just call me Ajax. I don't care either way... Ajax is probably easier just because it's uniform and should avoid any confusion.
Why is it that this game has to start during the first two days in quite some time that I don't have time to log on? [/grumble]
On the HKKID/loran thing, I'm inclined to agree with Ajax that the case is rather weak. Most of the case is built of flimsy evidence from the random-vote stage, which, especially at this point in the game, makes the evidence even more flimsy. While some of loran's posts do have an air of "my analysis is right, listen to me because I'm more experience than you," I don't feel that his actions warrant a vote just yet.
Also, Vote: Hunted Charlie for being even more late than me.
(^^ MUCH more joke than serious, but I would like to see him at least check in.)
I think that HKKID's case against Loran is overstated, but I don't particularly like Loran's play, and his defense is difficult to evaluate. I find it interesting that he uses "joking" as his defense/excuse for having FoS'd me despite the fact that he asserts that early-game random actions are "hardly meaningless." Loran: What exactly did you hope to accomplish by FoSing me?
Uggg, this quote reminds me of mafia 56 on scum, sigh. Anyhow, nothing, it was a joke. You really think i was FOSing someone with the following explanation:
After Jathan, i have a natural dislike for mafiascummers.
And that this wasn't a joke? I thought it was kind of clear.
That said, let me explain myself with regards to that quote. In a game full of people who arent experienced, and even those with experienced players (though not as much), random vote stages can show patterns in which the votes WERENT random. There was a newb game here where after random voting i suspected 2 players of being scum due to their random votes showing a tendency to bandwagon and an association between the two, and i turned out to be perfectly correct (sadly, i was young and inexperienced and got sidetracked by stormblind/rahl....DAMN YOU! J/K)....
In other words, they shouldnt be ignored, as they often are, and can lead to decent first wagons. But unless they involve piling on a bandwagon, if they can be reasonably considered as a joke, then they should be taken with a grain of salt.
@Krashbot. I am more experienced than you, so believe everything i say. I'm just that good. (Kidding.....duh). Sidenote: Some mafia players do maintain those attitudes successfully (see azrael), which pisses me off to no end.
Incidentally, GLork is the most experienced person here, so i can't even use that attitude really. Not that i would. Or would i? (J/K). Though if i use mafia terms then explain them, i'm not trying to patronize. I'll let mafiascum.com educate you all from now on (Yeah i hate the site, but the wiki is great.)
Anyhow, I should be voting wamyc there, but w/e.
Unvote . He hasnt posted in a bit, and ive got more to think about.
HC! Show up and be your aggressive usual self please!!! We love you! (Yep, he plays mafia a bit )
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I love Joboman, Poggy, Niv, and Vezok, because, while they may not be the best players, they still try to win. Having fun is the most important thing to a game, but I've learned that if you don't try to win, then you're ruining everyone else's fun.
Unvote . He hasnt posted in a bit, and ive got more to think about.
When I saw this post where you unvoted me I had already decided to say something. It would be stupid to not say something just because you unvoted me.
This is chiefly a conflict of personalities. I don't like loran's attitude towards how I'm playing, and he clearly doesn't like how I'm playing. I don't think that translates into scumminess. My screwing with your "observe the patterns in the random vote stage" mojo with my "let's organize things: here's the itinerary I propose" mojo is just a conflict of two ways to play the game.
I think the town has lost something by us quibbling over this, so I hope we can drop it. I'm not going to change how I'm playing, though this is not a retraction of my assertion to be patient.
@the everyone: Is there something suspicious about not voting for someone? riana's post had all of the people who were not voting bolded. Just trying to find out the convention for the game online. I find voting for someone without a good reason personally distasteful, but I want to know if abstainers are universally accepted as looking wishy-washy or something. (and I'm not asking about last-minute lynchers, who form the final votes of a mob, just whether being reserved about voting is frowned upon.)
Could the lower amount of people required to vote have something to do with the roles of the people playing? Is there a position that cannot vote, or whose vote is completely ineffective? If there is, it can only be one of the people who hasn't voted yet.
Speaking of which, what do you guys think we have in terms of roles? How many mafia, how many cops and/or doctors and what about other roles like roleblockers, masons and so forth? I'm guessing, based on the numbers and the fact that no player died the first night that we have 3 mafia. But I'm not familiar with the online mafia ratio conventions.
Could the lower amount of people required to vote have something to do with the roles of the people playing? Is there a position that cannot vote, or whose vote is completely ineffective? If there is, it can only be one of the people who hasn't voted yet.
Speaking of which, what do you guys think we have in terms of roles? How many mafia, how many cops and/or doctors and what about other roles like roleblockers, masons and so forth? I'm guessing, based on the numbers and the fact that no player died the first night that we have 3 mafia. But I'm not familiar with the online mafia ratio conventions.
Uh, I'm not going to speculate role setup, it always seems to end up being a. a waste of time and b. a thing that ends up biting you in the ass.
We haven't had a first night incidentally (so that doesnt factor), anyhow.
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rian, that was horribly confusing and...:confused2:
My brain hurts.
@loran: I have nothing wrong with you explaining mafia terms. In fact, I think it's a good idea. I remembered when I first started playing some of the abbreviations were really confusing and I was just trying to figure out what they meant, and there are still plenty of mafia slang I still don't know what they stand for.
@wamyc: The lower number needed for lynching could be due to a few reasons, some of which you have suggested. Another one simply being that rian decided we only need 6 to lynch (I have no idea why this would happen, as 6 isn't actually a majority with 13 players).
Also, your whole "lets get things moving" idea at the beginning can easily be taken as somewhat scummy. As loran said, following is generally extremely dangerous for the town, and therefore, trying to lead the town can appear quite scummy. While you may not have been attempting to force the town in a certain direction with your first few posts, you were certainly nudging.
On the HKKID/loran thing, I'm inclined to agree with Ajax that the [c]ase is rather weak.
Hell, I'm inclined to agree it's weak. But, until I can make a stronger case somewhere else I'm going to stick with it.
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Also, confirming a random vote (still a joke vote btw) is not scummy. I didn't retaliate on her for her vote, my vote was A. already there, and b. a joke vote and still was. Im pretty sure most people figured i was joking.
Nawh, I thought you were serious. After all, jokes usually have a punch-line and make people laugh.
To be honest, each of your posts seems totally innocent. Its your pattern of trying to spread as much suspcion around as possible that I don't like. Sure, you could have been just kidding. But you could have also been using humor to mask your true intentions.
I cast a vote on wamyc because it looked like he was trying to LEAD THE TOWN.
Mind showing me where he was leading the town? I re-read his posts here, and I don't see him trying to move the town in any direction.
FOS=Finger of Suspicion. Im joking again here with Ajax....mafiascum is another mafia site where a lot of players have questionable play (I'm in one game there...ugh). One player in particular, "jathan", tried to play over here....and got day 1 lynched for being a moron (once again: court mafia day 1)
So you felt the need to tell the entire town that he's suspicious... just for being from mafiascum? At very least, this is entirely non-productive, and doesn't help the town. At worst, you're scum and are trying to make someone else seem suspicious.
I literally can't see a single good reason for you to make that post. Espescially not since you had a suspect at that time (wamyc). You don't exactly see me cracking jokes with other townies. I'm too busy trying to figure out if you're scummy, or just playing poorly.
CAN YOU READ WHAT I SAID! I said MASS FOSes are scummy, not a single 1!
Evidentally you can't read what you said. You said that mass FOSes are scummy because "you attempt to spread suspicion on multiple others. FOSing him was stupid and pointless, but not scummy. What was scummy is trying to cast suspicion on three different people, in three consecutive posts!
You said that spreading suspicion around is a scumtell, and I'm inclined to agree. Then you spread as much suspicion around as possible. See why I'm concerned?
Lets review my actions:
1. Voted jokingly Jen, and joked with her for like 2-3 posts.
2. Voted Wamyc (not jokingly), for what appeared to be an attempt to lead the town, especially in this stage.
3. FOSed Glork/Ajax jokingly because he said he was from mafiascum.
I FAIL TO SEE THE FREAKIGN CORRELATION.
Lets review your actions the way I saw them.
1: You joke voted Avatar of Kokusho, then went out of your way to try and make her seem scummy, for completely inane reasons.
2: You voted Wamyc, and told us you're being serious now, because he's legitimately scummy. Again your reasons seem tenuous at best, and I'd have thought you were just kidding if you didn't say that you were not joking.
3: You FOSed Ajax, and again your reason for doing so was more or less pointless.
4: You post this:
So well....there is no case on me.....just a bull**** case made early into the random vote stage. It makes me want to Unvote and vote you for improper analysis ya know? I mean completely misinterpretting me and trying to put a case on me with false evidence?[/tab]
Now you're trying to make me seem scummy. The reason you think I'm scum is because I'm pointing out your anti-town behavior. If memory serves that's an OMGUS statement.
THE FREAKING CORRELATION IS THAT YOU KEEP TRYING TO MAKE EVERYONE LOOK LIKE SCUM, AND YOU DON'T HAVE A GOOD PRO-TOWN REASON FOR ACTING THAT WAY.
@ Stormblind: Do you mind explaining this post. You voted twice, but only one of them showed up on the vote count by Ritalin. Were you just expressing displeasure with Ajax + Loran, or are you a legitimate double-voter?
I was told today that this kid on my team called 911 twice this morning and hung up both times. They called back and his dad answered. The reason the kid called 911? He got an erection and didn't know what to do. I wish I was making this up.
Well, i don't have two votes if thats what you're asking.
I was expressing discontentment with those two, as each of my votes have been since this point of the game, there is no method to the madness.
I simply enjoy voting, and until there is a POINT to the votes, im not too concerned about where my votes go, and i shall simply show dissatisfaction through this method.
Unvote, Vote Rian
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MtG:Salvation is always changing, and there are always little dramas that punctuate the time between Spoiler Seasons, a constant flux of names, friendships, rivalries . . but it always hits hardest when it's the staff who have been leaving the forums.
To stem the tide there was a round of promotions, but the latest batch of new hires didn't even last out a month, and most of them left without any word to why, simply dropping out like lost packets over a bad network connection. It seems pretty clear to you that something sinister is going on here - every day in recent memory you've logged on to find out that another mod has gone. Now there are only thirteen of you left, and signs are starting to point towards responsibility for this exodus lying somewhere amongst the remaining staff, and you all agree - it's time to take some drastic measures and regain control of MtG:S, before it's too late. . .
CLAN CONTEST MAFIA
Rules and Etiquette:
1. Players may communicate privately within their own clan at any time.
2. This game is starting in Day. During the Day, each player may discuss and Vote to Lynch another player. The number required to Lynch will be announced at the beginning of the Day and with each Vote Count.
3. Votes must be in bold and of the format VOTE:sneakyhomunculus. If you revote, an unvote for your previous Vote is understood - you do not have to unvote unless you wish to refrain from Voting at that time. Votes in quotes will not be counted.
4. After a week has passed IRL, the number required to Lynch will subsequently decrease by 1 every 48 hours. If any players are tied to Lynch at that time, the player who has had the required Votes to Lynch longer will be Lynch. Please keep this in mind!
5. Once a simple majority is reached, that person gets Lynched. Twilight will be announced, and you may continue to discuss until the Lynch Scene is posted, at which time it will be Night. DO NOT POST in the game thread at Night.
6. You may Vote to not lynch anyone. A majority of VOTE:No Lynch will end the day without a Lynch.
7. A Deadline will be set for Night Actions to be submitted, typically 72 hours barring extenuating circumstances. In the "morning" the events of the Night will announced. In any instance of death, I will reveal the character name, role, and alignment of the dead player.
8. Except for the first line of your Role PM for the purpose of Claiming, under no other circumstance are you allowed to quote from a PM sent to you by a game mod. Paraphrasing is king.
9. Do not edit or delete your posts. Not even to fix BB Code. Not even lightning editing! As double posting is frowned upon, do your best to abuse the Post Preview function.
10. Do not post invisi-text. Although white is not invisitext, it may as well be.
11. Please do not discuss this game except privately within your clan.
12. If you are dead, it doesn't mean the game is over for you. Please do not post any information afterwards. Bah!
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Role PMs
will behave been sent out - please reply to confirm reciept of your role pm!When everyone has confirmed, Day 1 will be announced; at that time you may begin posting.
Clans Participating/Game Representative/Confirmed
1. ARD - Avatar of Kokusho - confirmed
2. the Called - HKKID - confirmed
3. [499] - Hunted Charlie - confirmed
4. Ghost Mafia - Krashbot - confirmed
5. [God] - Stormblind - confirmed
6. Greek Alliance - Shadowlord - confirmed
7. the Izzet - wamyc - confirmed
8. Natural[20] - H'Roth-Gar - confirmed
9. Project Mayhem - Xyre - confirmed
10. RBS - loran16 - confirmed
11. Simic - Mirari - confirmed
12. Vogue - Soul_Grind - confirmed
13. !vote nolynch - AjaxUD - confirmed
All roles confirmed, I'll be opening Day 1 when I get home from the Chocolate Factory. . .
Time to get to it.
the Living (3/13)
Avatar of Kokusho
HKKIDCyanKrashbotArchythe Dead
Soul_Grind, Nai, Inspired Townie, modkilled Day 1.
Stormblind, fadeblue, Mafia Godfather, lynched Day 1.
kingcobweb, kingcobweb, Guttermod, imploded Night 1.
XyreDiggy, urzassedatives, Vanilla Townie, lynched Day 2.Shadowlordurza-gc13, Feyd_Ruin, Townie Cop, banned Night 2.Hunted Charlie, rancored_elf, Townie Miller, lynched Day 3.
Mirariferro_man, Dr. Tom, Townie Doctor, modkilled Day 4.AjaxUDPodCubus, Woapallane, Mafia Roleblocker, hellbanned Day 4.H'Roth-Gar, Lesurgo, Townie 1-Shot Dayvig, lynched Day 4.
wamyc, Hydrokinesis, Vanilla Townie, banned Night 4.
loran16SorryGuy, Xyre, Mafia Lynch Enforcer, lynched Day 5.Game Over
Town Wins!
Day 5 Lynch Scene
Vote Count 5.0
Day 5 Opening
Day 4 Lynch Scene
Hellban!
Vote Count 4.0
Day 4 Opening
Day 3 Lynch Scene
Vote Count 3.1
Vote Count 3.0
Day 3 Opening
Day 2 Lynch Scene
Vote Count 2.7
Vote Count 2.6
Vote Count 2.5
Vote Count 2.4
Vote Count 2.3
Vote Count 2.2
Vote Count 2.1
Vote Count 2.0
Day 2 Opening
Day 1 Lynch Scene
Vote Count 1.6
Vote Count 1.5
Vote Count 1.4
Vote Count 1.3
Vote Count 1.2
Vote Count 1.1
Vote Count 1.0
Who bumped nan? I think we should agree that though we really have no way to know, we should make the most of today and try to get some ground covered even in the absence of any evidence. How do we do this? Well, we can't rush into a stupid lynch, so that only leaves:
Discussion.
So what do you guys have to say?
Yep. I agree that's the best way to kickstart things.
vote:H'Roth-Gar
Whats the second part mean
HKKID - [The Called]
Hunted Charlie - [499]
Krashbot - [Ghost Mafia]
Stormblind - [GoD]
Shadowlord - [Greek Alliance]
wamyc - [Izzet]
H'Roth-Gar - Natural[20]
Xyre - [Project Mayhem]
loran16 - [RBS]
Mirari - [Simic Combine]
Soul_Grind - Vogue
AjaxUD - [!vote nolynch]
This should be helpful for anyone who wants to stalk other users to figure out the character of other users.
I'm going to guess it's a general desire to get things going after a long wait to get confirmations from every user.
I think we can expect lurkers in the future, though, as that seems to be a characteristic ailment of mafia games on this site. We can check user participation and openness here. I'm just trying to make page one a useful page to view to get general info. Remember that no matter how long this game goes, we always have the option to view page 1 in our Subscribed Threads Page.
I wish I could edit my previous post to include the requitise brackets around [Vogue]. My apologies.
Also, there seems to be no stopping Stormblind in his mad rampage.
Oh and for all you newbs, this is the random joke vote stage....soooooooooooooooo
VOTE DRAGONLADY/AVATAROFKOKUSHO....You can't trust females. Especially mothers, as they're evil and manipulative. God knows Fayul was dangerous enough!
KILL THE WOMAN! :-P
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The only way to stop their tempestuous hormones and emotions is to kill them
unvote, Vote Shadowlord
Only a dirty communist would protect a woman >:I
Unvote, Vote Mirari
Anyway... how's the weather?
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Ive more or less disappeared from IRC lol. And, hey I deny all details of the Negator story. Never happened.
Second, you just OMGUS*ed me. How very womanly of you. Also, How very scummy of you.
Confirm Vote Jen.
*OMGUS=Oh my god U Suck- a vote cast on someone because that person voted or cast suspicion on you, an insanely scummy tactic that is generally associated with mafia and other scum peoples.
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UNVOTE loran16, revote Shadowlord...keeping women in check, eh? I don't THINK so! You'll need three strong men, a straitjacket, and a Hannibal Lecter- style muzzle..
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Still waiting to hear from
HKKID
Hunted Charlie
Krashbot
H'Roth-Gar
Soul_Grind
AjaxUD
Especially H'roth-Gar. I'm still fake voting for you. I mean it's a real vote, but there's nothing to back it up.
AoK, what's your favorite two color comination, and what's your favorite gold card?
My second favorite is BW. I guess the gold card I like best from that color combination is Vindicate, for much the same reason as for Deed.
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Imperfect observation on my part. Sorry about that. I copied over the list of the players and then crossed them off. I didn't notice your name in the "who has posted" list I was using.
I was just trying to flush lurkers, which it's clearly too early for there to be any real lurkers. And I suppose I should respect your lack of involvement if all we're going to do is throw around accusations.
But it would be nice to
A - bring the numbers of the mob up to a full compliment
B - and then give it some direction.
C - without killing too hastily.
But this is all obvious space-filling stuff.
Not only is your voice and posting style seriously annoying (it conveys a false sense of superiority), but you seem to be trying to lead the town so far. And while you haven't tried leading the town on a bandwagon, you have tried to call attention to lurkers only ONE day into the thread.
Obviously, I'm not sure if this will go anywhere, but you're current behavior seems rather newb scummy, and in an irritating way. Thus the vote.
@Jen, not letting you off the hook.....:-P
Logical Reasoning is dead; Long Live Stupidity
Die scum die.
I don't know if anybody here has played on MafiaScum, but I'm Glork on MS. See my wiki for, um... credentials/details.
:pumpkin:
FOS Glork. After Jathan, i have a natural dislike for mafiascummers.
Logical Reasoning is dead; Long Live Stupidity
Sorry for coming across as bossy.
FoS: Everyone who hasn't posted yet.
Then Tip: Cut the impatience. This is MAFIA. Day 1s start slowly, and random votes are hardly meaningless. Neither are Mass FOSes incidentally. Those normally indicate (with exceptions on occasion) scummyness, as you attempt to spread suspicion on multiple others. Now im assuming you're not being serious here, but just a bit of advice, assuming you're on my team.
Course, I'll still keep my vote on you while you act this way.
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BGUWet Rock
GWTapping Token Beats
Extended:
GWREternal Slide
GRUBeasts (homebrew)
RGoblins!
Legacy:
GUBWROath of Barbarians (homebrew)
And how long can I expect this stage to last? I've played the game in real life before, but never online. Obviously my normal strategy of getting everyone drunk then reading body language isn't going to be so hot here :p.
Vote Avatar of Kokusho: Anyone who hates islands, and likes pernicious deed more than psychatog is clearly a scumbag.
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Awfully stupid reason to FoS somebody though. Forum association with a poster who isn't in this game? Sounds like you're reaching pretty darned far for a reason to throw suspicion around.
:pumpkin:
Unvote, Vote Loran16, Vote AjaxUD
Exibit A:
Aside # 1
I have to start by saying that defining mafia slang IS very helpfull, and I appriciate that. The last thing I want is to misunderstand someone's post just because I thought the slang meant something other than what it actually does (and I don't know any mafia slang at all).
Aside # 2
I disagree with the assesment that OMGUS is generally scummy. To me it seems like a very natural reaction. Certainly an innocent person who is falsely accused is likely to take a negative view of the person picking on them. Obviously a more productive reaction would be to defend yourself, but I can see why a townie (espescially a newbie) would react with an OMGUS.
The Important part
In the quoted post, Loran says or imply that Avatar is scum... twice (highlited in blue in the quote). Unless he was serious with his first vote, he's just OMGUSED her back twice in the same friggin post where he said that sort of behavior is a scumtell!!
I don't think OMGUS is a good scumtell. I DO think someone saying "bad guys act this way" while he's acting that way is good sign he's a badguy. Overall I thought it was minor, but after a closer look I'm not so sure anymore.
Exibit 2
Loran, you're casting a "semi serious vote" (whatever the hell that is),
You're casting a "semi-serious" vote (whatever the hell that is), just because wamyc is annoying you and trying to get the town out of the random stage? Possibly there's a strategic advantage to sitting on our asses and being idiots for a week, but if there is, I can't figure it out. Getting the town out of the random stage seems like a useful thing to me. Evidentally thats "noob scummy" rather than productive. Shows what I know.
Your next post you \FOS (Full of Suspicion? Face of Skepticisim? Full of sh*t???) Ajax UD. I don't know what FOS means... but from the context and your posting thus far, I'm gonna bet you're saying that you think he's probably skumm too. This time though, it's just for being him, and not even for anything he's actually done/not done.
This makes three posts in a row where you attempt to cast suspicion on someone else (three different people no less). Then look, your very next post you say:
Exibit 3
This makes TWO DIFFERENT TIMES in the first PAGE where Loran has described scummy behavior... then gone ahead and done the very action he was describing.
Ladies and gentlemen of the town, I think we've found us a legitimate target.
Unvote AoK, Vote Loran16.
Un an unrelated issue Townie points go to StormBlind for telling Loran and Ajax to cut it out. Completely pointless bickering that isn't related to in game behavior is definitely counterproductive. It clutters up the thread, and distracts from the task of identifying scum.
* HKKID has a sudden flash on insight while typing the above paragraph.
It was loran that started the bickering in the first place. I don't know if that qualifies as a scummy behavior or not... I do know it definitely qualifies as someone who is not being helpful though. Might as well add that to my anti-loran list.
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Well, the only reason I was voting for you was because you were someone who hadn't posted yet, so
Unvote:H'Roth-Gar
I've also only played IRL, and the game seems signifigantly different. There seem to be a lot more accusations (especially because the way we play, you have to nominate someone before you can vote to kill them, so votes don't go flying off in every direction.) Also, there could be any number of crazy roles in the mix. (A lot of the online roles wouldn't work IRL.)
Also, I think you asked what FoS means. It stands for "Finger of Suspicion," and it's a way to cast doubt on a person without going so far as to vote for them.
And speaking of FoS, you've made quite a case, HKKID
FoS: loran
I don't think that there's anything conclusive about the case, but it's a good start. I think I can explain what he meant by "semi-serious vote." I took it as a sort of probing vote to find out why I was acting like I was when some others were content to be all like "vote: so and so because they smell bad."
I answered that I wanted to get the show on the road and start figuring things out. But what about the inconsistencies in what you said was scummy and what you were doing? (Directed at loran, based on HKKID's post above.)
Hmm. Have I ever played a game with you? I can't remember.
Also, HKKID's analysis of Loran doesn't convince me very much that Loran's scum. While he's a bit contradictory, he doesn't look scummy to me.
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Old Games (bad): The Greenwood Affair | Blood Moon Mafia
You can disagree all you want, but OMGUS is generally considered nontown in mafia games, especially in newb games (cuz experienced players avoid them).
Also, confirming a random vote (still a joke vote btw) is not scummy. I didn't retaliate on her for her vote, my vote was A. already there, and b. a joke vote and still was. Im pretty sure most people figured i was joking.
I cast a vote on wamyc because it looked like he was trying to LEAD THE TOWN. If you've ever played mafia, you'd know that a person leading the town, especially this early when we have no information can be extremely dangerous, as if the town isnt smart enough, theyll be led right into a mafia win (see the end game of court mafia incidentally....ugh)
FOS=Finger of Suspicion. Im joking again here with Ajax....mafiascum is another mafia site where a lot of players have questionable play (I'm in one game there...ugh). One player in particular, "jathan", tried to play over here....and got day 1 lynched for being a moron (once again: court mafia day 1)
So you're bet is quite wrong. I used the FOS here instead of the vote, because i didnt care to remove my vote from wamyc at this time (and still don't.)
CAN YOU READ WHAT I SAID! I said MASS FOSes are scummy, not a single 1!
Lets review my actions:
1. Voted jokingly Jen, and joked with her for like 2-3 posts.
2. Voted Wamyc (not jokingly), for what appeared to be an attempt to lead the town, especially in this stage.
3. FOSed Glork/Ajax jokingly because he said he was from mafiascum.
I FAIL TO SEE THE FREAKIGN CORRELATION.
So well....there is no case on me.....just a bull**** case made early into the random vote stage. It makes me want to Unvote and vote you for improper analysis ya know? I mean completely misinterpretting me and trying to put a case on me with false evidence?
But I'll be nice, and assume you had good intentions....for now.
Logical Reasoning is dead; Long Live Stupidity
Logical Reasoning is dead; Long Live Stupidity
Stormblind (2): Mirari, Soul Grind
Shadowlord (1): Avatar of Kokusho
Xyre (1): AjaxUD
loran16 (2): HKKID, H'Roth-Gar
Soul Grind (1): Shadowlord
AjaxUD (1): Stormblind
Jesus (1): Xyre
Not Voting (4): Hunted Charlie, Krashbot, wamyc, loran16
With 13 players alive, it is
7. . . 6 to lynch.It is currently 3:40pm GMT Saturday, April 14.
The 1 Week Deadline is 8am GMT Thursday, April 19.
Assorted Thoughts:
In my experience, OMGUS isn't a tell either way, especially in the early/random stages of a game. In fact, I've played with several players for whom OMGUS is a pro-town tell; they naturally get offended or put-off when somebody accuses them of being scum, and they genuinely tend to think that their voters are more likely to be scumbags. At least in the MafiaScum meta, OMGUS is generally used simply as an early excuse for a joke/random vote, or a null tell, as it could indicate just about anything.
For those who have only played IRL: Forum mafia generally involves a sizeable amount of sifting through posts looking for behavioral patterns, tells, and so on. People can obviously be a lot more careful with their words. Assume that, since we can go through and edit/proof-read, think about what we say, that every single thing we say is deliberate and significant. That's the attitude with which I play, and it's usually a good one to hold.
Preview Edit: Actually, since editing/double-posting are taboo and we are encouraged to preview our posts, the "everything somebody says is deliberate" notion should hold doubly-true here.
Xyre: Have you played on MS? What is/was your username? I have a disturbingly accurate memory for people I've played with, so I'd probably recognize if we have played together.
(Forgive the repeated MafiaScum references this early on, but I like having some frame of reference from which to work. If it makes me even a little bit more comfortable in the early-goings of the game, I know that I'll be far more effective as a scumhunter.)
There are two reasons that I didn't like Loran's FoS of me.
1) He had already laid down a "semi-serious" vote. Usually when players start to move from joking/random to serious, they don't revert back to joking around. There are, however, exceptions to this rule (and, in fact, I tend to be one of those exceptions)
2) The wording of his post was ambiguous with regards to whether he was joking or not. If Loran had made it more obvious that he was joking, I seriously doubt that I would have reacted the way I did. But he didn't make his intentions clear, and I assumed that he meant something serious by it.
I think that HKKID's case against Loran is overstated, but I don't particularly like Loran's play, and his defense is difficult to evaluate. I find it interesting that he uses "joking" as his defense/excuse for having FoS'd me despite the fact that he asserts that early-game random actions are "hardly meaningless."
Loran: What exactly did you hope to accomplish by FoSing me?
I'd also like everybody to weigh in on this early HKKID-Loran debate. It interests me, and I want to see what kind of fallout it brings.
By the way, quick sidenote: I answer to either Glork or Ajax; I suspect people who have seen me on MS or elsewhere will refer to me as Glork, and those of you who don't know me will just call me Ajax. I don't care either way... Ajax is probably easier just because it's uniform and should avoid any confusion.
:pumpkin:
Why is it that this game has to start during the first two days in quite some time that I don't have time to log on? [/grumble]
On the HKKID/loran thing, I'm inclined to agree with Ajax that the case is rather weak. Most of the case is built of flimsy evidence from the random-vote stage, which, especially at this point in the game, makes the evidence even more flimsy. While some of loran's posts do have an air of "my analysis is right, listen to me because I'm more experience than you," I don't feel that his actions warrant a vote just yet.
Also, Vote: Hunted Charlie for being even more late than me.
(^^ MUCH more joke than serious, but I would like to see him at least check in.)
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I don't care if I was framed for murder if I only got a warning I would let it go.
Rian: Why is it six-not-seven to lynch?
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Old Games (bad): The Greenwood Affair | Blood Moon Mafia
Uggg, this quote reminds me of mafia 56 on scum, sigh. Anyhow, nothing, it was a joke. You really think i was FOSing someone with the following explanation:
And that this wasn't a joke? I thought it was kind of clear.
That said, let me explain myself with regards to that quote. In a game full of people who arent experienced, and even those with experienced players (though not as much), random vote stages can show patterns in which the votes WERENT random. There was a newb game here where after random voting i suspected 2 players of being scum due to their random votes showing a tendency to bandwagon and an association between the two, and i turned out to be perfectly correct (sadly, i was young and inexperienced and got sidetracked by stormblind/rahl....DAMN YOU! J/K)....
In other words, they shouldnt be ignored, as they often are, and can lead to decent first wagons. But unless they involve piling on a bandwagon, if they can be reasonably considered as a joke, then they should be taken with a grain of salt.
@Krashbot. I am more experienced than you, so believe everything i say. I'm just that good. (Kidding.....duh).
Sidenote: Some mafia players do maintain those attitudes successfully (see azrael), which pisses me off to no end.
Incidentally, GLork is the most experienced person here, so i can't even use that attitude really. Not that i would. Or would i? (J/K). Though if i use mafia terms then explain them, i'm not trying to patronize. I'll let mafiascum.com educate you all from now on (Yeah i hate the site, but the wiki is great.)
Anyhow, I should be voting wamyc there, but w/e.
Unvote . He hasnt posted in a bit, and ive got more to think about.
HC! Show up and be your aggressive usual self please!!! We love you! (Yep, he plays mafia a bit )
Logical Reasoning is dead; Long Live Stupidity
When I saw this post where you unvoted me I had already decided to say something. It would be stupid to not say something just because you unvoted me.
This is chiefly a conflict of personalities. I don't like loran's attitude towards how I'm playing, and he clearly doesn't like how I'm playing. I don't think that translates into scumminess. My screwing with your "observe the patterns in the random vote stage" mojo with my "let's organize things: here's the itinerary I propose" mojo is just a conflict of two ways to play the game.
I think the town has lost something by us quibbling over this, so I hope we can drop it. I'm not going to change how I'm playing, though this is not a retraction of my assertion to be patient.
@the everyone: Is there something suspicious about not voting for someone? riana's post had all of the people who were not voting bolded. Just trying to find out the convention for the game online. I find voting for someone without a good reason personally distasteful, but I want to know if abstainers are universally accepted as looking wishy-washy or something. (and I'm not asking about last-minute lynchers, who form the final votes of a mob, just whether being reserved about voting is frowned upon.)
Speaking of which, what do you guys think we have in terms of roles? How many mafia, how many cops and/or doctors and what about other roles like roleblockers, masons and so forth? I'm guessing, based on the numbers and the fact that no player died the first night that we have 3 mafia. But I'm not familiar with the online mafia ratio conventions.
Uh, I'm not going to speculate role setup, it always seems to end up being a. a waste of time and b. a thing that ends up biting you in the ass.
We haven't had a first night incidentally (so that doesnt factor), anyhow.
Logical Reasoning is dead; Long Live Stupidity
My brain hurts.
@loran: I have nothing wrong with you explaining mafia terms. In fact, I think it's a good idea. I remembered when I first started playing some of the abbreviations were really confusing and I was just trying to figure out what they meant, and there are still plenty of mafia slang I still don't know what they stand for.
@wamyc: The lower number needed for lynching could be due to a few reasons, some of which you have suggested. Another one simply being that rian decided we only need 6 to lynch (I have no idea why this would happen, as 6 isn't actually a majority with 13 players).
Also, your whole "lets get things moving" idea at the beginning can easily be taken as somewhat scummy. As loran said, following is generally extremely dangerous for the town, and therefore, trying to lead the town can appear quite scummy. While you may not have been attempting to force the town in a certain direction with your first few posts, you were certainly nudging.
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I don't care if I was framed for murder if I only got a warning I would let it go.
Hell, I'm inclined to agree it's weak. But, until I can make a stronger case somewhere else I'm going to stick with it.
Nawh, I thought you were serious. After all, jokes usually have a punch-line and make people laugh.
To be honest, each of your posts seems totally innocent. Its your pattern of trying to spread as much suspcion around as possible that I don't like. Sure, you could have been just kidding. But you could have also been using humor to mask your true intentions.
Mind showing me where he was leading the town? I re-read his posts here, and I don't see him trying to move the town in any direction.
So you felt the need to tell the entire town that he's suspicious... just for being from mafiascum? At very least, this is entirely non-productive, and doesn't help the town. At worst, you're scum and are trying to make someone else seem suspicious.
I literally can't see a single good reason for you to make that post. Espescially not since you had a suspect at that time (wamyc). You don't exactly see me cracking jokes with other townies. I'm too busy trying to figure out if you're scummy, or just playing poorly.
Evidentally you can't read what you said. You said that mass FOSes are scummy because "you attempt to spread suspicion on multiple others. FOSing him was stupid and pointless, but not scummy. What was scummy is trying to cast suspicion on three different people, in three consecutive posts!
You said that spreading suspicion around is a scumtell, and I'm inclined to agree. Then you spread as much suspicion around as possible. See why I'm concerned?
Lets review your actions the way I saw them.
1: You joke voted Avatar of Kokusho, then went out of your way to try and make her seem scummy, for completely inane reasons.
2: You voted Wamyc, and told us you're being serious now, because he's legitimately scummy. Again your reasons seem tenuous at best, and I'd have thought you were just kidding if you didn't say that you were not joking.
3: You FOSed Ajax, and again your reason for doing so was more or less pointless.
4: You post this:
So well....there is no case on me.....just a bull**** case made early into the random vote stage. It makes me want to Unvote and vote you for improper analysis ya know? I mean completely misinterpretting me and trying to put a case on me with false evidence?[/tab]
Now you're trying to make me seem scummy. The reason you think I'm scum is because I'm pointing out your anti-town behavior. If memory serves that's an OMGUS statement.
THE FREAKING CORRELATION IS THAT YOU KEEP TRYING TO MAKE EVERYONE LOOK LIKE SCUM, AND YOU DON'T HAVE A GOOD PRO-TOWN REASON FOR ACTING THAT WAY.
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@ Stormblind: Do you mind explaining this post. You voted twice, but only one of them showed up on the vote count by Ritalin. Were you just expressing displeasure with Ajax + Loran, or are you a legitimate double-voter?
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I was expressing discontentment with those two, as each of my votes have been since this point of the game, there is no method to the madness.
I simply enjoy voting, and until there is a POINT to the votes, im not too concerned about where my votes go, and i shall simply show dissatisfaction through this method.
Unvote, Vote Rian
there's something fishy going on.