R&D is a clan for anyone who enjoys Magic design. This thread is a place where members and friends can chat about design, get help on their design ideas from experienced designers, and just enjoy hanging out in general.
Members are also expected to regularly contribute to design and discussion of the clan's current design project, found here. If you are a friend rather than a member, you are welcome to contribute to the project but please leave your comments here rather than in the project thread.
Clan Designers
- Clan Leader, Head of Design for[JUPITER]
Shadowfox
Hellbent4hollywood
ZasZ234
Crimson Avatar
Eliminator
Elemental
Kraj
Pendrell
I <3 Ballistic Fury
Doubtless One
iamnotjohn
Master of Warcraft
Atrius
MmmCesium
AnTwan
DevouringZombie
Lord Moo
zoombinimatt
Katt
Goatchunx
diggimon123
d24478667
Patron of the Nerds
Phyrexian
Athani
RickCorgan
Chimpanzee
Night Terror
faust
Good&Evil
Yukora
Omna15
Photon Eater
Shinobi
Magic Mage
Mamelon
royishere
cooljeanius
kevinliu2333
Casual Chaos Rules!!
Acquiesce
speggy
Faerie Lord
cabalwannabe
spreadingdark
Gardevior
APPLICATION POLICY: To become a member of R&D, do NOT PM any clan member. Just post here, saying that you want to join, and present three cards that you have created. (They do not have to be connected the R&D's current project.) You must have at least 30 posts to join.
Members who make regular and quality contributions to the clan project will become Clan Designers and allowed access to the project design files.
Anyone can be a friend! Just ask, or stop by and chat.
Welcome to the new R&D thread. Time to kick this pig into full gear!
The first order of business is to sort out the members list. Currently, any prior member who has responded to my PM or checked in at the old thread is still a member. Anyone who hasn't has been moved to friend status. If a friended former member checks back in, they will be welcomed back to membership status. Also, a couple people (Elemental and Pendrell, specifically) haven't checked it but have both been valuable and enthusiastic contributors and I hope to woo them back quickly.
Now then, about the designers. There are a few members I'd like to nominate as designers right off the bat:
Does anyone have any objection? Does anyone have a nomination of someone else who should be a designer right away?
Next on the agenda is Jupiter. The thread in Custom Set Creation (linked at the top of this post) is unlocked and ready for comments. The first thing I'll do there is establish a couple tasks to get the ball rolling. In the mean time, feel free to look around and get re-aquainted with the project.
Finally there is the wiki. In the project thread, there is a link to it. The password is Jupiter (case-sensitive). Feel free to look around and see what I've done. There's tons of room for improvement, but the basic skeleton is there. Please post any comments and suggestion on the wiki here. In a few days, I'll change the password; the new password will be given to the Clan Designers.
Yay! We're alive!
EDIT: One more thing. Apparently the deadline for participating in the next clan contest is Friday. All we have to do at this point is pick a card to build a deck around. So far, only one other clan has chimed in, so our participation could be quite significant in making the contest good. In the last thread Doubling Season was suggested. Works for me. That work for you all?
doubling season sounds dandy to me. glad to be nominated for designer status, especially considering the talent of those who have also been nominated. i have a quick question: is there anywhere i can look to find a simplified summarization of what we're doing for the current project? basically all i know now is that we're still doing a set, it's still called jupiter, and we have a wiki (which will be oh so useful!). Other than that i know literally nothing about the current state of the set...
ok... now i totally have to get back to my film class project or else my teacher's gonna grind my bones to make his bread. will post again soon.
-HB:4mana:H
Alrighty. Since it's a pretty minor decision and we don't have much time, I'll just submit Doubling Season and be done with it.
HB4H: The project thread has a brief block concept, a fairly extensive backstory to set up the world/flavor, and a summary of the chosen mechanics (though soon I will bring up a discussion regarding one of them). That should get you up to speed well enough.
...Perhaps I should make the link to the design thread easier to find.
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I'm personally not a big fan of doubling season, but I've build around it before, previously I've done a very selesnya heavy casualish deck with lots of saprolings, but I could see something different happening.
Well we won't actually be building around Doubling Season, another clan will. We just had a to pick a card to toss into the pool.
Ace, our banner is actually pretty new and I like it. If you want to tinker and come up with something feel free, just don't consider it a priority.
EDIT: Yay Alacar! I was hoping to lure you back. Don't worry, the way the clan is set up now you can easily participate and contribute without being an official member.
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Hey folks. Just popping my head in here to see how ya'll are doing. I'm glad to see JUPITER actually is still living and breathing.
I'd love to help but I'm currently working on my own little project at the moment. Still, I will make it a point to actually become active in this clan again. Hell I might even change back, but that's a stretch.
Hi everybody! Here are a couple non-Jupiter related cards for comment:
Green Growth -
Instant
Target green creature gets +3/+3 until end of turn.
Whenever a creature you control deals trample damage to an opponent, you may return Greengrowth from your graveyard to your hand.
(I posted this one in the last thread but it was stranded at the bottom of a page)
Silverfang - 1GW
Creature - Cat Beast
:symgw:: Until end of turn, whennever Silverfang deals combat damage to an opponent, put a +1/+1 counter on Silverfang.
3/3
Hey again everyone! Just poking my head in right now... I have no objection to any of those other people being designers. And I'm very honored to be chosen as a nominated one. I'll do what I can to keep things clean and tidy and at power level.
@Doubling Season: OMG yes! I'm DE-lighted with that choice. [/inner-johnny gushing]
Wiki: Very nice start. I'll comment more on the actual structure in the project thread, tho since we're keeping that business over there.
@Counteradept: Green Growth: Just a bit too strong... and by a bit I mean the bit of a 5 foot drill. LOL - I don't mean to be harsh but when that's gonna be used is mostly on creatures with trample I'd think.
Silverfang: That one is perfectly costed however. I like it very much! Efficient little mini-fatty.
Here I'm working on my Tnisk block again and waiting on my banner/avatar request to be done mostly... should be posting random cards soon I hope.
Green Growth seems rather limited to me. I imagine there could also be rules issues since the game doesn't apply a "type" to damage. Intuitively it makes sense, but according the rules right now "trample damage" doesn't mean anything.
I like Silverfang. It's pretty straightforward, well-worded, potentially powerful, and the hybrid activation cost makes sense (which is a rare thing in these forums).
CA: Great to hear from you!
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So.. Doubling Season's in the set? Can I tell you how much I utterly HATE Doubling Season? Seriously, it's a utility card that I find to be far too good for its own good.
But that's just a personal grudge.
Green Growth is strictly better than [card]Giant Growth[card].
Ah.. well.. I still hate it Just so ya know. Seriously, they were just like 'Hey, we have a whole Lineupofcritters that use counters to live on. Let's make it ten times easier to abuse them.'
See that's the whole reason I love it. There are tons and tons of uses for the card. But at the same time it costs 5 mana. No 5-mana enchantments are gonna make raffinity any more powerful or any faster. It's just too slow to really be abuseable.
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Gratz with the revival of clan R&D, Kraj.
Also, congrats with getting a site on which you can work on cards, without the peeving eyes of non-R&D'ers.:thumbsup:
yay for a new banner and avatar (which i made myself! so proud... kinda.) anyway, thanks for the info/link kraj. i'll be up to speed in a jiff... for the clan contest, do we get to pick our card from the pool or is it random assignment or something like that?
for the clan contest, do we get to pick our card from the pool or is it random assignment or something like that?
Clever new banner
As far as I know, the mods running the contest will pick for us (whether or not it's random I don't know). But at the moment we're the only clan to participate (another one sort of had, but apparently it wasn't official) so who knows whether it will even go anywhere. *shrug*
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Zas: good call on the wording for Green Growth. I can't decide myself where this stands - maybe I'll bump it to 1G to be on the safe side.
And I hadn't even thought about activating Silverfang multiple times - I think that pushes it to too strong. I'll change the wording to limit it to once a turn.
I'm gonna bring this topic up here because I don't want to interrupt the good design discussion going on in the Jupiter thread.
Now that our membership is mostly sorted out (with the exception of Pendrell, who I really really really hope wants to come back but hasn't been online since all this went down) I'd like to talk about the project leaders.
The role of the leaders will be a bit different than before. Instead of having one person essentially the only person working on that specific section, we're all going to work together on each piece at a time (for now, at least). Also, thanks to the wiki anyone can add content to the project. So the roles of the leader will be:
To be most familiar with that part of the project (I'll just say "color" from now on). The leader should know what the strengths and weakeness of that color are. The leader should be able to facilitate discussion about that color and identify issues that need to be addressed. The color leader is primarily (but not exclusively) responsible for the organization of that color's section in the wiki. In short, a color leader is responsible for making sure that particular color is the best it can be.
That does not mean, however, that the color leader has to decide which cards are in or out, or evaluate suggested cards on their own, or make all the decisions about that color. Basically, I want all members to be contributing equally to all colors, but at the same time a leader keeps a watchful eye on one section. When we start filling in the templates, the color leaders will be the only one to make changes to them.
Additionally, I'd like a Development leader and a Creative leader. The development leader can be chosen later, when we're closer to finishing design. But I'd like a Creative leader soon. The creative leader will do the same things as a color leader but will be responsible for the crafting of the story and setting, and helping solidify the connection between those and the cards.
So far I've been the color leader for red. I'll happily continue in that vein, or let someone else take over. Shadowfox has already volunteered to resume leadership of a color. For the time being, only Hellbent4hollywood, ZasZ234, and Crimson Avatar are eligible to be leaders but that doesn't mean any of you have to if you'd rather not. If someone else would like to be a leader, then we'll discuss making you a designer.
Any thoughts, comments, responses, etc.?
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Sorry for my absence but this is being a very stressful year and I wasn't able to be as helpful for the clan as I would like to be and I still have plenty to do before I can return with the same energy I had before.
For now, you can sign me as a friend and you can still find me through the MSN.
Color Leaders: Sign me up for blue if it's open. If not that, then I'll gladly take white. Those are the two colors that are open that I'm most comfortable with knowing on an intimate basis, IMO.
I like the group approach to designing too. Should help keep things more solid...
And an odd fact on Phoenix: According to dictionary.com, the possessive is phoenicis but the plural is just phoenix since phoenicis is the genitive form. I had to look up what genitive meant but I think I gathered it correctly:
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(in certain inflected languages) noting a case of nouns, pronouns, or adjectives, used primarily to express possession, measure, or origin: as John's hat, week's vacation, duty's call.
Hey, I would like to join this clan. Does it matter if I post cards I've posted elsewhere here for my 3 cards?
Tyrannical Edict - :3mana::symu::symb:
Sorcery (R)
Target opponent sacrifices a creature. Return it to play under your control.
Harrier Eagle - :2mana::symw::symw:
Creature -- Bird Soldier (U)
Flying, flash
When Harrier Eagle comes into play, tap target creature.
2/3
Cloning Procedure - :1mana::symu:
Enchantment -- Aura (R)
Enchant creature
As Cloning Procedure comes into play, you may choose a creature in play. If you do, enchanted creature becomes a copy of that creature.
Manifest 2UU(You may play this spell without a target. If you do, put a 2/2 colorless Spirit creature token into play as it resolves and attach it to that token.)
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Members are also expected to regularly contribute to design and discussion of the clan's current design project, found here. If you are a friend rather than a member, you are welcome to contribute to the project but please leave your comments here rather than in the project thread.
Clan Designers
- Clan Leader, Head of Design for [JUPITER]
Shadowfox
Hellbent4hollywood
ZasZ234
Crimson Avatar
Eliminator
Elemental
Members
Ace
CounterAdept
Haggis
Hyram
Xenomorph
SoronTheBeast
epock
the_kist_lich
Alabran
Olveron
Mago Sanguvita
Honored Friends
Eledin - Clan Founder
Alacar Leoricar
Arguas2617
Joyd
Spanglegluppet
KarmicNoose
Friends
Kraj
Pendrell
I <3 Ballistic Fury
Doubtless One
iamnotjohn
Master of Warcraft
Atrius
MmmCesium
AnTwan
DevouringZombie
Lord Moo
zoombinimatt
Katt
Goatchunx
diggimon123
d24478667
Patron of the Nerds
Phyrexian
Athani
RickCorgan
Chimpanzee
Night Terror
faust
Good&Evil
Yukora
Omna15
Photon Eater
Shinobi
Magic Mage
Mamelon
royishere
cooljeanius
kevinliu2333
Casual Chaos Rules!!
Acquiesce
speggy
Faerie Lord
cabalwannabe
spreadingdark
Gardevior
APPLICATION POLICY: To become a member of R&D, do NOT PM any clan member. Just post here, saying that you want to join, and present three cards that you have created. (They do not have to be connected the R&D's current project.) You must have at least 30 posts to join.
Members who make regular and quality contributions to the clan project will become Clan Designers and allowed access to the project design files.
Anyone can be a friend! Just ask, or stop by and chat.
Peruse our clan history...
[R&D]: We'll Be Your Girlfriend!
[R&D]: Screwing Blue Since 8th Edition
[R&D]: We Formally Deny Ever Making Skullclamp
[R&D]: The Station for Card Creation
Look at Me, I'm In [R&D]!
[R&D] Getting Mark Rosewater Fired
[R&D] First Steps
R&D
Current New Favorite Person™: Mallory Archer
She knows why.
The first order of business is to sort out the members list. Currently, any prior member who has responded to my PM or checked in at the old thread is still a member. Anyone who hasn't has been moved to friend status. If a friended former member checks back in, they will be welcomed back to membership status. Also, a couple people (Elemental and Pendrell, specifically) haven't checked it but have both been valuable and enthusiastic contributors and I hope to woo them back quickly.
Now then, about the designers. There are a few members I'd like to nominate as designers right off the bat:
Shadowfox
Hellbent4hollywood
ZasZ234
Crimson Avatar
Does anyone have any objection? Does anyone have a nomination of someone else who should be a designer right away?
Next on the agenda is Jupiter. The thread in Custom Set Creation (linked at the top of this post) is unlocked and ready for comments. The first thing I'll do there is establish a couple tasks to get the ball rolling. In the mean time, feel free to look around and get re-aquainted with the project.
Finally there is the wiki. In the project thread, there is a link to it. The password is Jupiter (case-sensitive). Feel free to look around and see what I've done. There's tons of room for improvement, but the basic skeleton is there. Please post any comments and suggestion on the wiki here. In a few days, I'll change the password; the new password will be given to the Clan Designers.
Yay! We're alive!
EDIT: One more thing. Apparently the deadline for participating in the next clan contest is Friday. All we have to do at this point is pick a card to build a deck around. So far, only one other clan has chimed in, so our participation could be quite significant in making the contest good. In the last thread Doubling Season was suggested. Works for me. That work for you all?
Current New Favorite Person™: Mallory Archer
She knows why.
Doubling Season sounds fine by me!
ok... now i totally have to get back to my film class project or else my teacher's gonna grind my bones to make his bread. will post again soon.
-HB:4mana:H
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HB4H: The project thread has a brief block concept, a fairly extensive backstory to set up the world/flavor, and a summary of the chosen mechanics (though soon I will bring up a discussion regarding one of them). That should get you up to speed well enough.
...Perhaps I should make the link to the design thread easier to find.
Current New Favorite Person™: Mallory Archer
She knows why.
Tee-hee. Doubling Season it is! Hopefully we get a fun card back! Oh the shenanigans!
Are we looking to get a new banner? I'd be happy to work on one if we would like it.
I'm still researching the archives of Jupiter - there is quite a bit to get through, though I really do like the set as a whole.
Onward and Upward!
Ace, our banner is actually pretty new and I like it. If you want to tinker and come up with something feel free, just don't consider it a priority.
EDIT: Yay Alacar! I was hoping to lure you back. Don't worry, the way the clan is set up now you can easily participate and contribute without being an official member.
Current New Favorite Person™: Mallory Archer
She knows why.
I'd love to help but I'm currently working on my own little project at the moment. Still, I will make it a point to actually become active in this clan again. Hell I might even change back, but that's a stretch.
Like freeform roleplaying? Try Darkness Befalls Us
Ryttare Kelasin Luna Orelinalei
Green Growth -
Instant
Target green creature gets +3/+3 until end of turn.
Whenever a creature you control deals trample damage to an opponent, you may return Greengrowth from your graveyard to your hand.
(I posted this one in the last thread but it was stranded at the bottom of a page)
Silverfang - 1GW
Creature - Cat Beast
:symgw:: Until end of turn, whennever Silverfang deals combat damage to an opponent, put a +1/+1 counter on Silverfang.
3/3
Long life R&D!
@Doubling Season: OMG yes! I'm DE-lighted with that choice. [/inner-johnny gushing]
Wiki: Very nice start. I'll comment more on the actual structure in the project thread, tho since we're keeping that business over there.
@Counteradept: Green Growth: Just a bit too strong... and by a bit I mean the bit of a 5 foot drill. LOL - I don't mean to be harsh but when that's gonna be used is mostly on creatures with trample I'd think.
Silverfang: That one is perfectly costed however. I like it very much! Efficient little mini-fatty.
Here I'm working on my Tnisk block again and waiting on my banner/avatar request to be done mostly... should be posting random cards soon I hope.
I like Silverfang. It's pretty straightforward, well-worded, potentially powerful, and the hybrid activation cost makes sense (which is a rare thing in these forums).
CA: Great to hear from you!
Current New Favorite Person™: Mallory Archer
She knows why.
But that's just a personal grudge.
Green Growth is strictly better than [card]Giant Growth[card].
Silverfang is fine and dandy
Like freeform roleplaying? Try Darkness Befalls Us
Ryttare Kelasin Luna Orelinalei
No, it's just the card we picked for the clan contest. That's all. We don't even have to work with it; another clan does.
Current New Favorite Person™: Mallory Archer
She knows why.
And that's not counting the Simic
Like freeform roleplaying? Try Darkness Befalls Us
Ryttare Kelasin Luna Orelinalei
Current New Favorite Person™: Mallory Archer
She knows why.
Also, congrats with getting a site on which you can work on cards, without the peeving eyes of non-R&D'ers.:thumbsup:
Anyway, see you all in a long while.
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Clever new banner
As far as I know, the mods running the contest will pick for us (whether or not it's random I don't know). But at the moment we're the only clan to participate (another one sort of had, but apparently it wasn't official) so who knows whether it will even go anywhere. *shrug*
Current New Favorite Person™: Mallory Archer
She knows why.
And I hadn't even thought about activating Silverfang multiple times - I think that pushes it to too strong. I'll change the wording to limit it to once a turn.
Now that our membership is mostly sorted out (with the exception of Pendrell, who I really really really hope wants to come back but hasn't been online since all this went down) I'd like to talk about the project leaders.
The role of the leaders will be a bit different than before. Instead of having one person essentially the only person working on that specific section, we're all going to work together on each piece at a time (for now, at least). Also, thanks to the wiki anyone can add content to the project. So the roles of the leader will be:
To be most familiar with that part of the project (I'll just say "color" from now on). The leader should know what the strengths and weakeness of that color are. The leader should be able to facilitate discussion about that color and identify issues that need to be addressed. The color leader is primarily (but not exclusively) responsible for the organization of that color's section in the wiki. In short, a color leader is responsible for making sure that particular color is the best it can be.
That does not mean, however, that the color leader has to decide which cards are in or out, or evaluate suggested cards on their own, or make all the decisions about that color. Basically, I want all members to be contributing equally to all colors, but at the same time a leader keeps a watchful eye on one section. When we start filling in the templates, the color leaders will be the only one to make changes to them.
Additionally, I'd like a Development leader and a Creative leader. The development leader can be chosen later, when we're closer to finishing design. But I'd like a Creative leader soon. The creative leader will do the same things as a color leader but will be responsible for the crafting of the story and setting, and helping solidify the connection between those and the cards.
So far I've been the color leader for red. I'll happily continue in that vein, or let someone else take over. Shadowfox has already volunteered to resume leadership of a color. For the time being, only Hellbent4hollywood, ZasZ234, and Crimson Avatar are eligible to be leaders but that doesn't mean any of you have to if you'd rather not. If someone else would like to be a leader, then we'll discuss making you a designer.
Any thoughts, comments, responses, etc.?
Current New Favorite Person™: Mallory Archer
She knows why.
Sorry for my absence but this is being a very stressful year and I wasn't able to be as helpful for the clan as I would like to be and I still have plenty to do before I can return with the same energy I had before.
For now, you can sign me as a friend and you can still find me through the MSN.
RRR Like a Bosh!
WUB Sharuum Solar Flare
UBR Thraximundar Zombie Beatdown
I wish you the best in making it through your workload as stress-free as possible and I look forward to your return.
Current New Favorite Person™: Mallory Archer
She knows why.
I like the group approach to designing too. Should help keep things more solid...
And an odd fact on Phoenix: According to dictionary.com, the possessive is phoenicis but the plural is just phoenix since phoenicis is the genitive form. I had to look up what genitive meant but I think I gathered it correctly:
Tyrannical Edict - :3mana::symu::symb:
Sorcery (R)
Target opponent sacrifices a creature. Return it to play under your control.
Harrier Eagle - :2mana::symw::symw:
Creature -- Bird Soldier (U)
Flying, flash
When Harrier Eagle comes into play, tap target creature.
2/3
Cloning Procedure - :1mana::symu:
Enchantment -- Aura (R)
Enchant creature
As Cloning Procedure comes into play, you may choose a creature in play. If you do, enchanted creature becomes a copy of that creature.
Manifest 2UU (You may play this spell without a target. If you do, put a 2/2 colorless Spirit creature token into play as it resolves and attach it to that token.)