[SOK] more lotus noir info

skwalzone · 05-12-2005, 07:03 AM

hi, i just saw the new lotus noir and there is a couple of new sok cars in it that i'll try to translate.

Endless Torment 4BB
Sorcery R
Search X cards in target player library, where X is the number of cards in your hand, and remove them from the game. That player shuffle his or her library.
Epic(..)

Jumelance (don't know how to translate this one) UU
instant R
Copy target instant or sorcery spell. You may choose new targets for this spell.

There is also a red arcane sorcery for 3R deals damage to target player or creature equal to the number of cards in your hand.

At last a white creature : human and soldier wich is a 2/3 for 1WW and gets +1/+2 and "gain 3 life each time it deals combat damage" if you are the player with the most card in hand.
I don't have a scan, but other people may have.
Hope you'll enjoy.

Mr RavengerKarl · 05-12-2005, 07:05 AM

didnt we recieve some of this info already?

**RMS Oceanic** · 05-12-2005, 07:06 AM

We didn't receive news of Fork!

These cards are awesome! Can you get scans of even where it's referenced?

Seingalt · 05-12-2005, 07:11 AM

Waiting for a confirmation
But the black epic spell seems :devil: good !

The blue Fork could fit that rumor of an old card "reprinted" (I know, it's not a reprint, but it's a fork, and forking an epic spell would be... NICE :devil: !)

I won't prononce myself about fakness.. but i'm looking forward for scans.

Orange Mage · 05-12-2005, 07:14 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by skwalzone

Jumelance (don't know how to translate this one)

Are you sure it's not "Jumelage"? That could be translated as "Double"...

Oddity · 05-12-2005, 07:16 AM

I see no reason to oppose this.

**Moss_Elemental** · 05-12-2005, 07:21 AM

Endless Torment: That's a slow way of defeating an opponent.

"Jumelance": I guess it was inevitable. Copying spells have been a blue ability. "Jumelance" means "twinning" or "doubling". Double is in the Orb.

Red arcane is believable

The white creature is the Descendant of Kiyomaro.

Seingalt · 05-12-2005, 07:21 AM

If the french name is Jumelance it litteraly means double spear. It fits perfectly the fork wich is called "fourche" in french.

The possibility of copying epic spells with this or Uyo gives tromenduous possibilities...

AKARAT · 05-12-2005, 07:22 AM

After the 'Power 9' thing i don't believe anything anymore. Isn't Fork on the reserved list?

**RMS Oceanic** · 05-12-2005, 07:23 AM

Fork is, but that doesn't mean they can't do a functional reprint in a different colour.

**Moss_Elemental** · 05-12-2005, 07:24 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by AKARAT

After the 'Power 9' thing i don't believe anything anymore. Isn't Fork on the reserved list?

Yes, but this one's blue

AKARAT · 05-12-2005, 07:27 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Moss_Elemental

Yes, but this one's blue

For the re-print policy:

"Reserved cards will never be printed again in a functionally identical form. A card is considered functionally identical to another card if it has the same card type, subtypes, abilities, mana cost, power, and toughness."

Color is not included.

EDIT> I wouldn't mind if they ignored the reserved list, because i think it has nothing to do with the GAME magic...

Hvirfilvindr · 05-12-2005, 07:31 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by AKARAT

For the re-print policy:

"Reserved cards will never be printed again in a functionally identical form. A card is considered functionally identical to another card if it has the same card type, subtypes, abilities, mana cost, power, and toughness."

Color is not included.

Ice Cave

Enchantment
Whenever a player plays a spell, any other player may pay that spell’s mana cost. If a player does, counter the spell. (Mana cost includes color.)

EvilDuck · 05-12-2005, 07:33 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by AKARAT

For the re-print policy:

"Reserved cards will never be printed again in a functionally identical form. A card is considered functionally identical to another card if it has the same card type, subtypes, abilities, mana cost, power, and toughness."

Color is not included.

EDIT> I wouldn't mind if they ignored the reserved list, because i think it has nothing to do with the GAME magic...

Uh, it doesn't have the same ability (Fork itself became the new spell and remained red. This one just puts a copy on the stack.) or the same mana cost (UU is different from RR).

Sans, please, but these look real. Sweet! New Fork! I loved Fork back when I was playing Sligh.

**RMS Oceanic** · 05-12-2005, 07:35 AM

Thank you, he who hath a turtle in thine avatar! :megaman:

Hence, it's fair game. I thought something like this could have happened, but I thought it would be more expensive...

Hvirfilvindr · 05-12-2005, 07:36 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by EvilDuck

Uh, it doesn't have the same ability (Fork itself became the new spell and remained red. This one just puts a copy on the stack.) or the same mana cost (UU is different from RR).

Sans, please, but these look real. Sweet! New Fork! I loved Fork back when I was playing Sligh.

Oracle Text for Fork:

Put a copy of target instant or sorcery spell onto the stack, except that it copies Fork’s color and you may choose new targets for the copy.

AKARAT · 05-12-2005, 07:38 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Hvirfilvindr

Ice Cave

Enchantment
Whenever a player plays a spell, any other player may pay that spell’s mana cost. If a player does, counter the spell. (Mana cost includes color.)

True...

Anyway, i wouldn't mind a blue fork and as a player i don't really care about the re-print list... just mentioned it, because it was the main argument for many people yesterday with the 'power 9' thing.

I'm not sure about 'Endless Torment'. I guess i would put that card in the mill deck i'm currently thinking about making... the amount of card that shrink the number of cards in opponents library has exploded in the past set.

pandafarmer · 05-12-2005, 07:45 AM

i guess i'm a little confused why these are listed as rare? could they be Epic?

RickCorgan · 05-12-2005, 07:47 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Hvirfilvindr

Ice Cave

Enchantment
Whenever a player plays a spell, any other player may pay that spell’s mana cost. If a player does, counter the spell. (Mana cost includes color.)

It includes color, that's why the two mana costs are different. A mana cost cares about the color of mana, so RR is not the same as UU.

Very believable stuff.

Crossfire · 05-12-2005, 07:47 AM

I don't know why..., but endless torment seems wrong to me..., something tells me this is not what the epic black should be...

p.s: maybe he tries to fake(we only know of the white decendent for sure.., the others could be fake...) first post too

AKARAT · 05-12-2005, 07:48 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by pandafarmer

i guess i'm a little confused why these are listed as rare? could they be Epic?

Endless Torment as it is in post 1 is an Epic spell.

BleuCiel · 05-12-2005, 07:49 AM

I kinda like the black epic spell. With the blue myojin it reads "remove any threats in target opponent librairy". I can see a blue/black deck running it with the wizards that unlimit your hand size, some early counters, black removal for on-table threats, some discard to prevent other menace, and splashing green for heartbat, elder and perhaps Reach. At 4BB it's much more affordable than the white epic spell

Now to think of way to win with it...

**rianalnn** · 05-12-2005, 07:51 AM

BLUE FORK!

If this is true, I got my wish! heh heh heh

athelred · 05-12-2005, 07:53 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BleuCiel

Now to think of way to win with it...

Assuming you do have control of the board when you cast it, winning with it is easy. Note the lack of restrictions on card types. Thus you can keep on removing cards from their library (including lands once you get all the good cards *grin*) until they deck themselves. Removing 7 cards a turn from their library ends up with them having no threats and no cards very very quickly.

athelred
Level 1 Judge

**RMS Oceanic** · 05-12-2005, 07:53 AM

Yeah, the black epic spell is cool if you set your board up correctly before you cast it. Milling is fun!

RickCorgan · 05-12-2005, 08:06 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BleuCiel

I kinda like the black epic spell. With the blue myojin it reads "remove any threats in target opponent librairy". I can see a blue/black deck running it with the wizards that unlimit your hand size, some early counters, black removal for on-table threats, some discard to prevent other menace, and splashing green for heartbat, elder and perhaps Reach. At 4BB it's much more affordable than the white epic spell

Now to think of way to win with it...

The problem is, a single card (Ivory Mask) renders it useless. And since you can't play any more spells after you cast it, you're in good shape to lose.

pandafarmer · 05-12-2005, 08:19 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by AKARAT

Endless Torment as it is in post 1 is an Epic spell.

okay yeah i catch that now... but the blue one is still kinda goofy to be Epic. guess i don't know how i feel about them...

P

Hvirfilvindr · 05-12-2005, 08:38 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by pandafarmer

okay yeah i catch that now... but the blue one is still kinda goofy to be Epic. guess i don't know how i feel about them...

P

The blue Fork is NOT Epic. Only the Black one.

Quote:

Originally Posted by RickCorgan

The problem is, a single card (Ivory Mask) renders it useless. And since you can't play any more spells after you cast it, you're in good shape to lose.

That's the risk you take when you play Black. Anyway, unless they have the card in their hand, you can strip them away the first time you play the spell.

Whatah · 05-12-2005, 08:42 AM

wow I like both of these cards... the blue fork might see immediate play in a U/G giving eternal witness and gifts ungiven lots of fun

the black epic spell seems nice also. True it is shut down with an ivory masy but so what? un a B/U deck with a bit of counter and extraction and gifts to fill ytour hand this would be a killer effect to have go off once your defences are set up. remember that you still can play activated effects and channal triggers after an epic spell. Cycling triggers and spellshapers would be really nice tho

Hey there's always ravnica

qella46021 · 05-12-2005, 08:43 AM

I definitely see a U/B mill deck coming out of this block/set. But one of the things that has me worried. Can you imagine the blue fork on a Scepter? I know they'll only be together for 3 months but still...

AKARAT · 05-12-2005, 08:50 AM

Blue fork is also cool with Blazing Shoal.dec

Just a BoP or something on turn one (With a City of Brass). Turn two attack with BoP and play the Shoal removing Red Myojin and copy it... good times.

It'd still be a very unreliable deck, but way better then it is without fork (cause you don't need two Shoals and Myojins in your first hand.

Fun

Anyway i'm still 50/50 on these cards.

Vodka7up · 05-12-2005, 08:50 AM

This supposed black epic... I don't know... unless you have set up a nearly impenetrable defense, this won't be much help. Yes you can still play effects but you'll still need to survive a few turns (depending on the strategy of your deck obviously) without playing any spells... that's a lot of time to give your opponent, who doesn't have any restrictions to his game.

EDIT - orb search
From the orb:
Endless:1
Torment:1
4bb:1

So it seems we may have a card name.

Double:1
Copy:11 (!)

athelred · 05-12-2005, 08:52 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RickCorgan

The problem is, a single card (Ivory Mask) renders it useless. And since you can't play any more spells after you cast it, you're in good shape to lose.

True, but that is okay. I'm not seeing the epic spells being used outside of block anyways, and in block ... no ivory mask *evil grin*.

Of course assuming someone did try to make it work outside of block, you still have the potential for using hand destruction and extraction to get rid of problem cards *before* you cast this spell. I cannot see trying it with out at the very least having seen your oppnents hand.

athelred
Level 1 Judge

Lord_Maul · 05-12-2005, 09:04 AM

even in T2 you can always cranial extract the ivory mask before you stop playing spell for the rest of the game. if you have 4 cards+the black epic in hand you can simply remove all their masks from their deck, so if they have to keep them in hand. and black is the color of discard anyways. that epic spell is realy powerfull.

JohnJones · 05-12-2005, 09:09 AM

Thats pretty cool, it looks like t2 might actually become somewhat okay.... I might start playing it.

AKARAT · 05-12-2005, 09:12 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lord_Maul

even in T2 you can always cranial extract the ivory mask before you stop playing spell for the rest of the game. if you have 4 cards+the black epic in hand you can simply remove all their masks from their deck, so if they have to keep them in hand. and black is the color of discard anyways. that epic spell is realy powerfull.

Yes it is... i'm constantly think about this card vs a TnN match-up. Lets say i have 5 cards in hand when i play it; I'd start by removing part of Urzatron and a TnN of something.
Next turn, i remove more TnN and creature, and maybe some more land...

This card CAN be very powerful.

EcEnSaNe · 05-12-2005, 09:12 AM

YAY, all the epic spells don't just search and play...this cards seems good though unlike the white one, because even though it still takes 3-5 turns to pull the win you can pull out all there threats the first time you play it...so...good card..

the blue fork is also cool...but why rare?

**rianalnn** · 05-12-2005, 09:15 AM

Because of its limited use, as a reactionary spell.

thevamp69 · 05-12-2005, 09:15 AM

r we sure that card is real cuz i think it is alittle too powerful

**rianalnn** · 05-12-2005, 09:17 AM

No, we only have the thread starter's post to go on. No collaboration or scans.

05-12-2005, 07:03 AM	#1
skwalzone Just Getting Started Join Date: May 2005 Posts: 4	[SOK] more lotus noir info hi, i just saw the new lotus noir and there is a couple of new sok cars in it that i'll try to translate. Endless Torment 4BB Sorcery R Search X cards in target player library, where X is the number of cards in your hand, and remove them from the game. That player shuffle his or her library. Epic(..) Jumelance (don't know how to translate this one) UU instant R Copy target instant or sorcery spell. You may choose new targets for this spell. There is also a red arcane sorcery for 3R deals damage to target player or creature equal to the number of cards in your hand. At last a white creature : human and soldier wich is a 2/3 for 1WW and gets +1/+2 and "gain 3 life each time it deals combat damage" if you are the player with the most card in hand. I don't have a scan, but other people may have. Hope you'll enjoy.

05-12-2005, 07:05 AM	#2
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05-12-2005, 07:06 AM	#3
RMS Oceanic The Hibernian Moderator MTGS Editor Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Northern Ireland Posts: 4,218 Blog Entries: 2	We didn't receive news of Fork! These cards are awesome! Can you get scans of even where it's referenced? __________________ Founder of the Defunct [RMS] Clan Founder of the [wiki] Clan Banner by Austria Phantom What Card am I thinking of? (Rules) Something close to my heart Clan Word of the Week - Officialize

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Seingalt Ascended Mage Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Dublin, Ireland. Posts: 244	Waiting for a confirmation But the black epic spell seems :devil: good ! The blue Fork could fit that rumor of an old card "reprinted" (I know, it's not a reprint, but it's a fork, and forking an epic spell would be... NICE :devil: !) I won't prononce myself about fakness.. but i'm looking forward for scans. __________________ Waiting for a Mentor... Banner By Seingalt

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05-12-2005, 07:21 AM	#7
Moss_Elemental You told me these pants were fireproof! Moderator Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Right here, right now Posts: 23,565	Endless Torment: That's a slow way of defeating an opponent. "Jumelance": I guess it was inevitable. Copying spells have been a blue ability. "Jumelance" means "twinning" or "doubling". Double is in the Orb. Red arcane is believable The white creature is the Descendant of Kiyomaro. __________________ "Deep in the human unconscious is a pervasive need for a logical universe that makes sense. But the real universe is always one step beyond logic." - Frank Herbert Custom Sets and Cards \| Humour\| Card (super)types ABCs

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AKARAT Twaddling Maniac Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 1,132	After the 'Power 9' thing i don't believe anything anymore. Isn't Fork on the reserved list? __________________ Playing with Morningtide... Waiting for Shadowmoor!

05-12-2005, 07:23 AM	#10
RMS Oceanic The Hibernian Moderator MTGS Editor Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Northern Ireland Posts: 4,218 Blog Entries: 2	Fork is, but that doesn't mean they can't do a functional reprint in a different colour. __________________ Founder of the Defunct [RMS] Clan Founder of the [wiki] Clan Banner by Austria Phantom What Card am I thinking of? (Rules) Something close to my heart Clan Word of the Week - Officialize

05-12-2005, 07:35 AM	#15
RMS Oceanic The Hibernian Moderator MTGS Editor Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Northern Ireland Posts: 4,218 Blog Entries: 2	Thank you, he who hath a turtle in thine avatar! :megaman: Hence, it's fair game. I thought something like this could have happened, but I thought it would be more expensive... __________________ Founder of the Defunct [RMS] Clan Founder of the [wiki] Clan Banner by Austria Phantom What Card am I thinking of? (Rules) Something close to my heart Clan Word of the Week - Officialize

05-12-2005, 07:45 AM	#18
pandafarmer Squishypants Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Twin Cities Posts: 3,389	i guess i'm a little confused why these are listed as rare? could they be Epic?

05-12-2005, 07:47 AM	#20
Crossfire Experienced Mage Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: israel Posts: 53	I don't know why..., but endless torment seems wrong to me..., something tells me this is not what the epic black should be... p.s: maybe he tries to fake(we only know of the white decendent for sure.., the others could be fake...) first post too

05-12-2005, 07:49 AM	#22
BleuCiel Experienced Mage Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 110	I kinda like the black epic spell. With the blue myojin it reads "remove any threats in target opponent librairy". I can see a blue/black deck running it with the wizards that unlimit your hand size, some early counters, black removal for on-table threats, some discard to prevent other menace, and splashing green for heartbat, elder and perhaps Reach. At 4BB it's much more affordable than the white epic spell Now to think of way to win with it...

05-12-2005, 07:51 AM	#23
rianalnn statuesque Moderator Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: by the beach Posts: 5,198	Oh. . . whAT?! BLUE FORK! If this is true, I got my wish! heh heh heh __________________ acryliconomicon \| trade pile x Sun Tzu's the Art of War x b o a r d s _o f_ c a n a d a eccentric black sheep of the Called "Is not zeal the sign of truth? Could a lie inspire such passion?" —Cartaphilus, the wandering Jew

05-12-2005, 07:53 AM	#25
RMS Oceanic The Hibernian Moderator MTGS Editor Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Northern Ireland Posts: 4,218 Blog Entries: 2	Yeah, the black epic spell is cool if you set your board up correctly before you cast it. Milling is fun! __________________ Founder of the Defunct [RMS] Clan Founder of the [wiki] Clan Banner by Austria Phantom What Card am I thinking of? (Rules) Something close to my heart Clan Word of the Week - Officialize

05-12-2005, 08:42 AM	#29
Whatah Experienced Mage Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Memphis, TN Posts: 109	wow I like both of these cards... the blue fork might see immediate play in a U/G giving eternal witness and gifts ungiven lots of fun the black epic spell seems nice also. True it is shut down with an ivory masy but so what? un a B/U deck with a bit of counter and extraction and gifts to fill ytour hand this would be a killer effect to have go off once your defences are set up. remember that you still can play activated effects and channal triggers after an epic spell. Cycling triggers and spellshapers would be really nice tho Hey there's always ravnica __________________ "It is by will alone I set my mind in motion. It is by the juice of Sapho that thoughts acquire speed, the lips acquire stains, the stains become a warning. It is by will alone I set my mind in motion.'' -Mentat Creed

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qella46021 Experienced Mage Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Beyond Left Field. It's nice. Come visit. Posts: 77	I definitely see a U/B mill deck coming out of this block/set. But one of the things that has me worried. Can you imagine the blue fork on a Scepter? I know they'll only be together for 3 months but still...

05-12-2005, 08:50 AM	#31
AKARAT Twaddling Maniac Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 1,132	Blue fork is also cool with Blazing Shoal.dec Just a BoP or something on turn one (With a City of Brass). Turn two attack with BoP and play the Shoal removing Red Myojin and copy it... good times. It'd still be a very unreliable deck, but way better then it is without fork (cause you don't need two Shoals and Myojins in your first hand. Fun Anyway i'm still 50/50 on these cards. __________________ Playing with Morningtide... Waiting for Shadowmoor!

05-12-2005, 09:04 AM	#34
Lord_Maul Experienced Mage Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 117	even in T2 you can always cranial extract the ivory mask before you stop playing spell for the rest of the game. if you have 4 cards+the black epic in hand you can simply remove all their masks from their deck, so if they have to keep them in hand. and black is the color of discard anyways. that epic spell is realy powerfull. __________________ Throw enough goblins at any problem and it should go away. At the very least, there'll be fewer goblins. Never underestimate the power of overwhelming stupidity in overwhelming numbers. visit #mtg on eu.irc (irc.euirc.net)

05-12-2005, 09:12 AM	#37
EcEnSaNe Ascended Mage Join Date: May 2005 Location: Raleigh, NC Posts: 220	YAY, all the epic spells don't just search and play...this cards seems good though unlike the white one, because even though it still takes 3-5 turns to pull the win you can pull out all there threats the first time you play it...so...good card.. the blue fork is also cool...but why rare?

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rianalnn statuesque Moderator Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: by the beach Posts: 5,198	DOUBLE: Why rare? Because of its limited use, as a reactionary spell. __________________ acryliconomicon \| trade pile x Sun Tzu's the Art of War x b o a r d s _o f_ c a n a d a eccentric black sheep of the Called "Is not zeal the sign of truth? Could a lie inspire such passion?" —Cartaphilus, the wandering Jew

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rianalnn statuesque Moderator Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: by the beach Posts: 5,198	Is this info CONFIRMED? No, we only have the thread starter's post to go on. No collaboration or scans. __________________ acryliconomicon \| trade pile x Sun Tzu's the Art of War x b o a r d s _o f_ c a n a d a eccentric black sheep of the Called "Is not zeal the sign of truth? Could a lie inspire such passion?" —Cartaphilus, the wandering Jew

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